The Official DragonBall Z thread

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
You're honestly acting like a retard. You won't even post the scan where he says 10 tons is too heavy yet you continue to post the same pictures over & over that proves nothing.

SOUTH KAI: Ten tons EACH!? that is 40 tons, you better be sure about this.
NORTH KAI: Just do it.

Ok now i dare you to run with 2 kilos in your arms and legs and then without it and check your speed.
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to bench 40 kilos and to put 10 kilos in each limb and that is is not the same.

i am sure you can bench more probably but in each limb and move is diferent than lift.

Goku don´t feel 40 tons as Supersaiyan, like he don´t have it and i am not exagerating.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
no i dont think thats y. he's angry because people will not post evidence. although i completely agree v3d he can lift a shitload. we wont be able to gauge his tru strength. my bet is in the thousands of tons but thats just me. no cold hard truth there. sry

If Goku did 20 times Kaio ken and was not enough to beat freeza 50 %

so to be equal to Freeza 100% as Supersaiyan is like Goku grow from his normal 40 to 50 times kaioken.

That is only in the Freeza Saga.

In Cell Saga he was still SSJ 1 and out of a reach for Vegeta, trunks and Piccolo.

And without counting the other SSJ levels.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It would have been 10 tons on each limb that he said was impossible, and in SSJ mode handled 40 on each.

Goku never said it was imposible, is a scan with a translation not made by Toriyama.

and SSj using 40 tons is like his socks and wrist, he is levitating and doing Martial arts.

Thanks, you are objective in your opinions, i am not trying to make Mirai Gohan look bad, is just that i am correcting what the manga is truly saying.
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I notice the confusion, When King Kai ask Goku : What about 10 tons?, they were talking all the time about each of the weighs, not the whole,
Ok, this is the last time i post this, i think is clear now.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
How many issues did it take Goku to defeat Freeza? The fight was 5mins long

yes, is history telling, is make for the sake of the history.

Kamisama train Goku to feel the oponent sense and he was a gifted Namekian who see what happen in all the planet from his Castle, yet Goku was so fast and erase his soul even Kamisama could not follow them.

Question:

What speed will Raditz will have that piccolo and Goku could not follow even if they are this fast before?

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Here, my friend, i took a picture with my camera, because i don´t have scaner, but that is the printed of the Junenp manga in all Europe with the translation in English from the Oiginal Japanese.

King Kai : How About 10 tons,
Goku: 10 Tons? Don´t you think that is a litlle to much? i wont be able to move.
King Kai: Ill let you Go Supersaiyan
Goku: Oh in that case, fine.

Whoever put the words "is Imposible", was not fan of Goku.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
You see Roshi catching Bullets from a machine Gun, still you seen resiliance to accept that they could have light speed in Freeza Saga if only you calculate this speed in the beggining of DB Goku has same as Roshi and then calculate his training in 100 G, without counting the rest of the DB history when Goku increase a lot speed and strenght to Fight Piccolo.

And again, i don´t now why i still feel that i am in a vs thread.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
What speed you need to react when somebody shot you with a Machine gun behind your back and you catch them all without effort

this is Red Ribbon Army, beggining of DB when Roshi and Goku where equal.

Then is Karin Training.
3 years self Training.
Second Tournament.
Piccolo Daimao Battle
Goku Drinking the Sacred Water and weaking up his doormant power to defeat Piccolo Daimao.
Training with Kami.
Raditz coming.
Training With King Kai in 10 g.
Battle With Vegeta.
Training in 100 g.
battle agains Ginyu force.
Injure, recover, 10 kaioken 20 kaioken, Supersaiyan.
And you still think he just have less than light speed. in fighting.

Originally posted by Kento
Yea meaning he can't lift them. If you can't move it means you can't lift that much.

It's nothing to do with vs is doing with Gokou's speed and it doesn't have anything to put him at light speed.

Show anything that would prove he has light speed? He's fast I'll give him that but there is nothing to show he's light speed.

In my opinion is meaning that he won´t box and kick like he was doing it, even with the 40 he was still levitating, if he can not lift he will crash to floor.

For your second and third coment, Toriyama never state nothing about speed, so the only thing i can do is give you the progress of his speed in Dragon Ball, but if you going to say that is never say nothing about light speed in the manga, you are right, i read all DB an DBZ, so then is not point for me to do it, but that does not change my opinion that he can base af his trianings. from my first coment i state that is my opinion.

This the only time that Toriyama measure the speed of Goku is before Roshi training started. his first test.

Krillin Run 11 seconds in 100 meters.

This is his speed for the second Tournament, now out of sight for Roshi, only the third eye of Tien could follow, but in the last tournament, even with Tien Progress, Goku is out of Reach for kami and the others Z, ok from here you know how he train in DBZ.

In between tournaments, Goku show progress, but that will take for me to post the whole DB, and i won´t do that, just know this is my way to see it he reach light speed in the Battle with Freeza doing some maths and logic of the result of his training in high Gravity. again is my way that i see Goku speed in fights, my opinion.

Goku in SSJ would be about 80-120 tons max I'd say. I think Goku would be high Metahuman.

And how much you would think for Gohan or Goku SSJ 2 will be able to lift?

My opinion is that Goku in the Freeza Saga when he transform into a Supersaiyan for the first time he multiplicate 40 to 50 times his normal base form, i asume this when Freeza say he will use 50 % of his strenght to beat Goku, and Goku power up to 20 times Kai o ken and attack Freeza with a Kamehame ha but freeza stop it, so when Goku transform into Supersaiyan, to be superior to Freeza 100% he has to power up 40 to 50 times his normal form.

So if his normal form is 8 tons and is multiplicate for 50 times is 400 tons, but is my theory. and the same to go second and third form.

again my opinion.

Goku SSJ2 is just a guess. Using multiplication, it would be 380 tons, tho we cannot really say fo sho.

yes, is my theory is just speculation, hey how much you would think the Z sword weight if Any Kai could´nt lift it even if they could beat easy Freeza and were more powerfull than Cell probably

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i wish Toriyama give us more information to make calculations.

Ok i want to post this scan of Goku beating Piccolo, is cool how his fist go into Piccolo´s body.

Good night, here is late.

i love dbz and ive been watching it since it came out and will always like it.its my favorite even more than naruto [everyone moved onto that in ratings].theres nothing anyone can do to change me from liking it to!
and naruto...copied 100s of things in it that i have found between it[i love naruto series to]!

my guess would be that his max ssj 2 would be about 400-500 tons. my opinion. ssj 3? i dunno mabe like 7000-8000 tons mabe more. completely my opinion

Probably ssj3 would be close to 1000 tons,IMO Goku definetly doesn't have class 100 strength