Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Started by Spelljammer324 pages

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Or, are you saying that being molested by a male priest when you're 13 is going to turn you gay? WTF?

Hey, I have heard many of people on talk shows and other t.v. outlets say they're gay cause of reasons like that. So unless they're lieing or trying to get publicity, it has to be taken into account..

You have calculated?

We obviously have a population that equals somehow to 100%.

The average family household has four people. So, invariably, by those four people, one out of four of them is going to be gay. None could be, but we run under the law of physiques and eqvalent exchange, somehow, someway, it's going to even out.

Therefore if there is a 1/4 chance, there is a 25% chance someone is going to be a homosexual.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Hey, I have heard many of people on talk shows and other t.v. outlets say they're gay cause of reasons like that. So unless they're lieing or trying to get publicity, it has to be taken into account..

We obviously have a population that equals somehow to 100%.

The average family household has four people. So, invariably, by those four people, one out of four of them is going to be gay. None could be, but we run under the law of physiques and eqvalent exchange, somehow, someway, it's going to even out.

Therefore if there is a 1/4 chance, there is a 25% chance someone is going to be a homosexual.

Your math is HIGHLY dubious. The only statistics I've heard about teh percentage of the population that is gay, indicates that the figure is around 1 out of every 10.

On top of that, you're saying that you believe people can be turned gay? So, maybe someone in a car accident gets knocked unconscious...can they wake up gay?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Your math is HIGHLY dubious. The only statistics I've heard about teh percentage of the population that is gay, indicates that the figure is around 1 out of every 10.

On top of that, you're saying that you believe people can be turned gay? So, maybe someone in a car accident gets knocked unconscious...can they wake up gay?


Closer estimates point to 1 out of every 20 people.

Anyway...

Originally posted by FeceMan
Closer estimates point to 1 out of every 20 people.

Anyway...

Even Closer estiates point to none...yes ...Homosexuality is just an imagination....no offense Cap.....but actually you are not real anyways ....so it won't be offensive anyways .....

"And we must assume that when we are asking about personal experiences (which may be a source of shame or anxiety), people will occasionally lie. Given those caveats, one of the best estimates (Michael, Gagnon, Laumann, & Kolata, 1994) suggest that 10.1% of men and 8.6% of women could be considered homosexual when using desire, behavior or self-identity as a measure."

I'm sorry could you explain the calculations a bit better SpellJammer. The average household has 4 people and invariably 1 in 4 are going to be gay so under a law of physiques(?) 25% of the population is gay? wtf?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm sorry could you explain the calculations a bit better SpellJammer. The average household has 4 people and invariably 1 in 4 are going to be gay so under a law of physiques(?) 25% of the population is gay? wtf?

I think he means that 1 out of every 4 gay men have nice bodies.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Okay, just for you.

I have noticed that a huge majority of gay men that are of a non-white ethnicity, want to date white gay men. I'm not saying that all "minority" homosexuals aren't attracted to their own race, but a huge majority of them are picky abot who they'll date, and they all seem to lust after young white guys. The young white gay male is the "prized" member of the gay community.

That's what I thought you meant. I just thought it weird, because in each of those relationships, there is a white guy dating a 'minority'.

IE in every one of those relationships, a white guy has to like 'minorities'.

That's why I couldn't only look at it form one perspective.

However, I wasn't sure exactly what the point of the point was, as it were.

It's actually has more to do with racial identiies than actual prejudice. African-Americans for the most part are extremely homophobic. They are raised in an extremely heterosexual-oriented environment with strong religous overtones. Machismo is extremely well-practiced in the rearing of black children. Which is why young black boys try to act like they're 25.

Hispanics are in the same situation except to a much greater degree.

Asians are much more tolerant to gender issues so they're likely to come out.

"Whites" are very, for the most part, impartial to gender roles. Which is why we have the goth, the punks, the gender-benders and all sorts of cliches that are primarily white.

Blacks and Hispanics for the most part only have one identity: their race's perceived role status (i.e. gangsta, macho).

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's what I thought you meant. I just thought it weird, because in each of those relationships, there is a white guy dating a 'minority'.

IE in every one of those relationships, a white guy has to like 'minorities'.

That's why I couldn't only look at it form one perspective.

However, I wasn't sure exactly what the point of the point was, as it were.

I understand that. However, it has little to do with white guys. And, in point of fact, many of these "minorities" go without a boyfriend, because they are waiting for the white guy of their dreams. But, the white guys preferences are not the point.

I'm asking about minority races, considering the white man the ultimate in beauty.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
"And we must assume that when we are asking about personal experiences (which may be a source of shame or anxiety), people will occasionally lie. Given those caveats, one of the best estimates (Michael, Gagnon, Laumann, & Kolata, 1994) suggest that 10.1% of men and 8.6% of women could be considered homosexual when using desire, behavior or self-identity as a measure."

Ten years out of date. My psychology book--one year out of date--says otherwise, so neener.

Originally posted by Draco69

Hispanics are in the same situation except to a much greater degree.

I hate to burst your liberal bubble, but I'm Hispanic, and that is bullshit.

I've known plenty of Hispanic gay men. And most often they're the most animated "Jack" type of gay you will ever meet. And nobody in my family has a problem with it. Well, exsept for my uncle, but he's Cuban. And Cubans hate everyone. 😆

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ten years out of date. My psychology book--one year out of date--says otherwise, so neener.

Out of date is relative. However, I did look up many different sites that agree with you. But, there are many different sites that agree with me. I would post some of them, but I'll leave that to anyone with a desire to do so. But, the interesting thing I did notice, was that every site that supports your numbers seems to be extremely right-minded. Sites like "the Traditional Values Coalition". While, the sites that agree with me are sites that are clearly left-minded. Since I am neither, I think we can just agree that I am gay.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think we can just agree that I am gay.

You are lying......and I talked to you 😘

.......anyways, I don't see how one can exactly find the number of homosexuals.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
I hate to burst your liberal bubble, but I'm Hispanic, and that is bullshit.

I've known plenty of Hispanic gay men. And most often they're the most animated "Jack" type of gay you will ever meet. And nobody in my family has a problem with it. Well, exsept for my uncle, but he's Cuban. And Cubans hate everyone. 😆

Speaking from the point of view of someone who grew up in North Carolina, where there is the second largest growing hispanic population, a huge majority of male hispanics do have this macho attitude. I'm not trying to speak for you, or your race, but that is the impression I get from many hispanic guys I've encountered.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are lying......and I talked to you 😘

.......anyways, I don't see how one can exactly find the number of homosexuals.

See, that's what you get, you fascist!

And a very real point that my copy and paste quote made, was that so few people are honest about it...when asked, officially.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
I hate to burst your liberal bubble, but I'm Hispanic, and that is bullshit.

Ignoring your strange assumptions of presuming everything you don't agree with to be "liberal"... 🙄

It's not bullshit. It's statistically and anthropologically proven.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
I've known plenty of Hispanic gay men. And most often they're the most animated "Jack" type of gay you will ever meet. And nobody in my family has a problem with it. Well, exsept for my uncle, but he's Cuban. And Cubans hate everyone. 😆

That's nice for you...but for the majority this isn't the issue. Hispanics are known to be extremely Christian and extremely conservative in their values. The ancient art of heterosexual childrearing, or more accurately machismo, is deeply instilled within their children. Especially young men. They're taught to be the pinnacle of masculanity. Get a job. Get married. Have kids. No other exceptions. Which is partly why Hispanics have the highest rates of early marriage in America.

Unfortunately this rigid gender conforming can be detrimental to a Hispanic gay male's mind. Which is why they typically rebel by acting all-out feminine.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
See, that's what you get, you fascist!

And a very real point that my copy and paste quote made, was that so few people are honest about it...when asked, officially.

I prefer to be called a homophobic Racist please.........come on just a little Political Correctness Man

The question is what is considered as Homosexual in that suirveys.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I understand that. However, it has little to do with white guys. And, in point of fact, many of these "minorities" go without a boyfriend, because they are waiting for the white guy of their dreams. But, the white guys preferences are not the point.

I'm asking about minority races, considering the white man the ultimate in beauty.

This isn't unusual. "White Beauty" is considered the ultimate beauty in America despite gender or sexual orientation. Other races are considered merely exotic or kinky. Which is why we have a majority of models dominated with white faces and only a handful of colored faces that unfortunately involve jungle, urban, or foreign themes.

For gay men, despite race, it's different. We have all been raised with the constant badgering of white beauty supermacy through media or social confinements. Movies, magazines, television, books, you name it. Gay men, regardless of race, are "taught" to hone their sexual preferences towards the white male. Society and media have instilled them with the idea of a white "Prince Charming".

This begs the question of why black women or hispanic women aren't rushing out for white men. This has to do with culture overlapping the social confinements of what beauty is. While they aren't completely immune to the effects of "white beauty supermacy" (i.e. straightened hair) their culture, family, and community influence their sexual preferences to indulge in their own race.

Gay men unfortunately are of course raised to recognize the beauty of their own race....for girls. As their sexual orientation begins to surface, while their other friends are pursuing girls of their own race, they have a proverbial crisis of race and sexuality. Their culture prevents them from prefering their own race's men. But due to society and media, they begin to prefer "white beauty" because it isn' in conflict with their own race.

Very complicated.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I prefer to be called a homophobic Racist please.........come on just a little Political Correctness Man

The question is what is considered as Homosexual in that suirveys.

There were so many sites that touched on the topic, but most of them considered "homosexual" to be attraction, action, and intent...so, basically, emotionally.

One site, that I can't recall, placed a number of around 40 percent of heterosexual males have had homosexual experiences. I wonder how many straight guys here would be secure enough with themselves to admit to that?