Originally posted by Tptmanno1
But If I'm a straight man, and I think diffently than you.... have you ever even TALKED to a bisexual male?
Your argument gets shot to shit.
Way to go!
Yes. I've talked to vatos who claim "I'm not gay, I'm bi." They're basically gay guys who date women and pretend to enjoy it to meet society's expectiations. I'm not saying its negative, in fact, I give them credit for atleast trying to like women.
How would my argument get shot to shit, ese?
How do you know exactly what they think and feel? Oh wait, you don't. Therefore your argument IS shot to shit.
I know several guys who are bi. One of them is a close friend of mine, and he's been going out with another of my close friends for about 4 years now. He's not going out with her just to meet society's expectations.
Originally posted by Lana
1. I highly doubt they tell you everything.
A: Why wouldn't they?
B: Even if they don't, its not like they need to.
Here's an instance as an example: About 8 years ago I was working as a sales rep at Lund Cadillac here in Phoenix. One of the guys there was bi, he was pretty cool, I liked him. One night, me and several of my co-workers(him included) were playing poker , drinking, and joking. Kind of like at the beginning of The 40 Year Old Virgin. This one dude asked out of nowhere if he was gay, and he said he was bi. He then said exactly this: "If you think about it, there really isn't such thing as a bi man. He's just a gay guy who's in denial, or he's trying to convince people other wise." There you go. Right from a "bi" guy's mouth.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is there a difference? Be real homes; you're intelligent. Its not obvious? There is a gray area with women, but men are either gay or str8. Any devience from being straight automatically makes a man gay. A women can suck a pussy and still retain her feminitiy, but if a guy sucks a dick, then he is gay as f*ck and there's no bullshitting or going back. If you don't know this, then you appearantly live on the moon because you are completely blind to human behavior.
Ah huh. It doesn't have anything to do with retaining femininity or masculinity or whatever. It comes down to definition. Now, in the simplest, and most clear cut of terms (though it's not so clear cut) I'll go on -
A straight/heterosexual person is a person who is attracted to the opposite sex only, sexually attracted.
A homosexual/gay person is attracted to the same sex only, sexually attracted.
A bisexual is a person who finds they are sexually attracted to both sexes. Be it man or women - they find it natural and easy. A gay person would not find it easy or comfortable to happily be with a person of the opposite sex, just like a straight person would not find it easy or comfortable to be with a person of the same sex (unless we are talking about experimentation)
Now, I have heard people say "All black guys wish they were white" - which isn't true. I have no doubt there are some, but not all. I have no doubt their are gays who pretend they aren't and pursue heterosexual relationships, but they don't represent the bisexual community as a whole. And how is it different - you can have heterosexual men and women. Homosexual men and women. But suddenly when we get to bisexual the men are excluded?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samurayeah I know. Men can be Bi's. They're not gay as soon as they love a man. That's sexist. Like every other women's oppinion. As soon as women got that thrill of being equal, they didn't stop. Now they want to control the world. Women are only in control of their children 15- IMO
Ah huh. It doesn't have anything to do with retaining femininity or masculinity or whatever. It comes down to definition. Now, in the simplest, and most clear cut of terms (though it's not so clear cut) I'll go on -A straight/heterosexual person is a person who is attracted to the opposite sex only, sexually attracted.
A homosexual/gay person is attracted to the same sex only, sexually attracted.
A bisexual is a person who finds they are sexually attracted to both sexes. Be it man or women - they find it natural and easy. A gay person would not find it easy or comfortable to happily be with a person of the opposite sex, just like a straight person would not find it easy or comfortable to be with a person of the same sex (unless we are talking about experimentation)
Now, I have heard people say "All black guys wish they were white" - which isn't true. I have no doubt there are some, but not all. I have no doubt their are gays who pretend they aren't and pursue heterosexual relationships, but they don't represent the bisexual community as a whole. And how is it different - you can have heterosexual men and women. Homosexual men and women. But suddenly when we get to bisexual the men are excluded?
Originally posted by Bardock42hey I'm going by what I've heard. People are made to breed. If their born gay, then it's a mutant DNA thing. Or the wrong choice because it's who we are. I'm all about freedom of choice here, but being born gay doesn't seem like a possibility.
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Originally posted by xyz revolution
hey I'm going by what I've heard. People are made to breed. If their born gay, then it's a mutant DNA thing. Or the wrong choice because it's who we are. I'm all about freedom of choice here, but being born gay doesn't seem like a possibility.
Homosexuality is natural in the sense that it:
[list][*]is present in or faithfully represents nature or life.
[*]is a phenomenon expressive of natural conditions.
[*]conforms to the usual and ordinary course of the material world and its phenomena.[/list]
Illustrating that homosexuality is natural is the fact that it extensively occurs in nature; homosexuality has been documented in over 190 species and can be observed in nearly all sexually reproducing organisms, the only exception being bacteria.
Studies of human sexuality indicate that sexual orientation is fixed and unchangeable, and current research suggests that sexual orientation is in place before birth and is caused by genetic and biological factors:
In 1991, Simon LeVey, neuroanatomist for the Salk Institute, found that the INAH3 structure of the hypothalamus in homosexual men is twice as small as those of heterosexual men, more closely resembling those of heterosexual women.
Seven years later, findings published in the March edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by researchers at the University of Texas - Austin report that the cochlea structure in homosexual women more closely resembles that of heterosexual men.
In both studies, the difference in the structures of homosexuals is attributed to hormone exposure in the womb, evidence that sexual orientation has a biological substrate.
A fingerprint study by J.A.Y. Hall and D. Kumura at the University of Western Ontario at London ON Canada found that a significant percentage of homosexuals have excess ridges on their left hand digits compared to their right hand digits, a characteristic that was not shared by heterosexuals.
This study shows a genetic link to sexual orientation that is determined before birth as fingerprints are fully developed in a fetus before the 17th week and do not change thereafter.
A study by Psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and Psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University found that if one sibling is homosexual the likelihood of an identical twin also being homosexual is 52%, the likelihood of a fraternal twin being homosexual is 22%, and the likelihood of a genetic or non-genetic sibling being homosexual is 10%.
They also found that in most instances in which identical twins are separated at birth and one twin is homosexual, the other twin is also homosexual.
This study shows that sexuality has a genetic component and is not determined by life experiences.
Dean Hamer at the National Cancer Institute examined the DNA of 40 homosexuals and found that ALL shared a genetic marker in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome.
Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy found that there is no single "gay gene" but rather several genes responsible for sexual orientation. He identified that genetic components are indeed linked to the X chromosome and that there are other components likely to be on other chromosomes as well.
Findings published in the March issue of the biomedical journal Human Genetics by Brian Mutanksi of the University of Illinois at Chicago in conjunction with Pennsylvania State University, the University of California - Los Angeles, the University of California - San Diego, the National Institutes of Health, and the National Science Foundation report, after combing the entire human genome for genetic determinants of male sexual orientation, identifying them in stretches of DNA on chromosomes 7, 8, and 10.
Furthermore, according to extensive research by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association there is currently no scientific evidence that sexual orientation is learned or can be changed.