Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

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Biological Definition of Natural

Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural reflex.

Natural purpose and parts of the Male Reproductive System

Reproduction is the process of producing offspring. Cells Reproduce when they divide and give rise to new cells. The reproductive system of an oranism, produces whole new organisms like itself.

The male reproductive system includes the scrotum., testes, epididymides, vasa deferntia, seminal vesicles, prostate gland, bulbourethral glands, urethra, and penis.(1)

Holes Human Anatomy and Physiology David Shier p(19)


Natural definitions/functions of various parts of the Excretory System

rec·tum ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rktm)
n. pl. rec·tums or rec·ta (-t)
The terminal portion of the large intestine, extending from the sigmoid colon to the anal canal.

a·nus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ns)
n. pl. a·nus·es
The opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal through which solid waste is eliminated from the body.

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Definition of the mouth

The body opening through which an animal takes in food.

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Originally posted by whobdamandog

Things that animals "Do" and "Do not" do

They do not rationalize.

They do not have mercy on those weaker than themselves.

They do not cover themselves in clothing, to hide their nakedness.

They do not cook their food to make sure that all the contaminents have been taken out of it.

They allow their wounded kin to be devoured by predators,
when it best suites their purpose of survival.

They don't bury their kin...or perform relgious rights.

They sniff the behinds of other animals.

They sometimes eat defication.

They sometimes eat their young.

They rub their behinds against trees.

They play with their defication.

Their sole purpose in life is one of survival, not recreation.

Thus "sexual behavior" in animals, or any behavior represented by animals for that matter..can not be equated to human behavior due to the innumerable amount of differences in the general behaviors of both.

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html
Researcher Simon LeVay

"At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role."{7}

{7} LeVay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

...in the well-known LeVay brain study which measured parts of the hypothalamus, your colleagues perform a series of autopsies on the brains of some dead people who, they have reason to believe, were basketball players.

Next, they do the same with a group of dead nonbasketball players. Your colleagues report that, on average, "Certain parts of the brain long thought to be involved with basketball playing are much larger in the group of basketball players."

A few national newspapers pick up on the story and editorialize, "Clearly, basketball playing is not a choice. Not only does basketball playing run in families, but even these people's brains are different."

You, of course, as a scientist, are well aware that the brain changes with use...indeed quite dramatically. Those parts responsible for an activity get larger over time, and there are specific parts of the brain that are more utilized in basketball playing.

Now, as a scientist, you will not lie about this fact, if asked (since you will not be), but neither will you go out of your way to offer the truth. The truth, after all, would put an end to the worldwide media blitz accompanying the announcement of your findings.

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

From Dennis McFadden, University of Texas neuroscientist:
"Any human behavior is going to be the result of complex intermingling of genetics and environment. It would be astonishing if it were not true for homosexuality."{8}

{8} "Scientists Challenge Notion that Homosexuality's a Matter of Choice," The Charlotte Observer, August 9, 1998.

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

But before we consider the specifics, here is what serious scientists think about recent genetics-of-behavior research. From Science, 1994:

Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter, "it's hard to come up with many" findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. "...All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."{1}

{1} Mann, C. Genes and behavior. Science 264:1687 (1994).

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html
Homosexual Twin Studies

Two American activists recently published studies showing that if one of a pair of identical twins is homosexual, the other member of the pair will be, too, in just under 50% of the cases. On this basis, they claim that "homosexuality is genetic."

But two other genetic researchers--one heads one of the largest genetics departments in the country, the other is at Harvard--comment:

While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data in fact provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment.{2}

The author of the lead article on genes and behavior in a special issue of Science speaks of the renewed scientific recognition of the importance of environment. He notes the growing understanding that:

... the interaction of genes and environment is much more complicated than the simple "violence genes" and intelligence genes" touted in the popular press.The same data that show the effects of genes, also point to the enormous influence of nongenetic factors.{3}

{2} Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July, 1993. p. 60.

{3} Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689.

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

"Gay gene" researcher Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors...not negate the psychosocial factors."{4}

Dean Hamer and his colleagues had performed a common type of behavioral genetics investigation called the "linkage study." Researchers identify a behavioral trait that runs in a family, and then:

a) look for a chromosomal variant in the genetic material of that family, and

b) determine whether that variant is more frequent in family members who share the particular trait.

To the layman, the "correlation" of a genetic structure with a behavioral trait means that trait "is genetic"-in other words, inherited.

In fact, it means absolutely nothing of the sort, and it should be emphasized that there is virtually no human trait without innumerable such correlations.

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

There are only two major principles that need to be carefully understood in order to see through the distortions of the recent research. They are as follows:

1. Heritable does not mean inherited.

2. Genetics research which is truly meaningful will identify, and then focus on, only traits that are directly inherited.

Almost every human characteristic is in significant measure heritable. But few human behavioral traits are directly inherited, in the manner of height, for example, or eye color. Inherited means "directly determined by genes," with little or no way of preventing or modifying the trait through a change in the environment.

What do the Professionals Think About Homosexuality..Genetics or Choice?

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html


From the American Psychological Association
"[M]any scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for most people at an early age through complex interactions of biological, psychological and social factors."{6}

From "Gay Brain" Researcher Simon LeVay
"At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role."{7}

From Dennis McFadden, University of Texas neuroscientist:
"Any human behavior is going to be the result of complex intermingling of genetics and environment. It would be astonishing if it were not true for homosexuality."{8}

From Sociologist Steven Goldberg
"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."{9}

As we have seen, there is no evidence that homosexuality is simply "genetic"--and none of the research itself claims there is.

Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.

{6} The American Psychological Association's pamphlet, "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

{7} LeVay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

{8} "Scientists Challenge Notion that Homosexuality's a Matter of Choice," The Charlotte Observer, August 9, 1998.

{9} Goldberg, Steven (1994). When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

"Welcome to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) -- a non-profit, educational organization dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality."

whob, you are a joke, in every sense of the word.

Originally posted by PVS
"Welcome to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) -- a non-profit, educational organization dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality."

whob, you are a joke, in every sense of the word.

And they called it puppy looooovee...😆 😆

When are you going to give me that phone number big guy? 😖hifty:

Hey PVS, ^ there's that dog reference again........

yeah, im ready to report this clown to the aspca

😆

Originally posted by whobdamandog
What do the Professionals Think About Homosexuality..Genetics or Choice?

taken from http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

[b]
From the American Psychological Association
"[M]any scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for most people at an early age through complex interactions of biological, psychological and social factors."{6}

From "Gay Brain" Researcher Simon LeVay
"At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role."{7}

From Dennis McFadden, University of Texas neuroscientist:
"Any human behavior is going to be the result of complex intermingling of genetics and environment. It would be astonishing if it were not true for homosexuality."{8}

From Sociologist Steven Goldberg
"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."{9}

As we have seen, there is no evidence that homosexuality is simply "genetic"--and none of the research itself claims there is.

Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.

{6} The American Psychological Association's pamphlet, "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

{7} LeVay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

{8} "Scientists Challenge Notion that Homosexuality's a Matter of Choice," The Charlotte Observer, August 9, 1998.

{9} Goldberg, Steven (1994). When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books. [/B]

It's odd... you challenge those studies put forward by other people, claiming they aren't wide enough, aren't inclusive enough etc - but then you keep quoting Levay, Goldberg and Macfadden. Again, and again. Three men, from a field of many, many thousandS, who to my knowledge don't speak for the entire field. And what they do speak of, well - not a single one actually seems to be saying homosexuality is a choice - but rather determined my a number of factors - genetics (inescapable), environment and psychology.

As you said - if they are correct, and homosexuality isn't "just genetic" then it still doesn't indicate it's choice. Just that it's is determined by more then one aspect.

And even then "It would be astonishing if it were not true for homosexuality." He doesn't say it's impossible that it's not true. That it would be astonishing, but not impossible.

That, and your using a website, NARTH, that has clear motives - social and moral, that are meant to be kept away from scientific inquest, as they lead to, shall we say, constructive interpretations of facts.

god, homophobes are such f@ggots

Has anyone realized that most... relatively intelligent people here in KMC usually say genetic or genetic/enviroment and it's usually "newbies" that insist that homosexuality is an abomination to god or whatever.

I'm not saying that there aren't smart people here who think homosexuality is a choice but most of the smart people think it's genetic.

As for the whole no bisexuality issue, I know bisexuals, male and female and I completely believe them. I've seen both of them with both genders and they really are bisexuals.
in fact I think my boyfriend's bi too, he insists he's gay but his last 2 relationships were with girls.

I think it's genetic.

I have never chosen to like girls, I just do... Especially baby girls.

Originally posted by Ieatbabies
I think it's genetic.

I have never chosen to like girls, I just do... Especially baby girls.

🤨

Originally posted by Makedde
Both my parents are straight, as in everyone else in my family. I have exposed to my heterosexual family every single day for the past 22 years. I have been around my straight friends every day, yet I am gay.

If I was exposed to drugs every day, doesn't mean I'd start taking them.

well put!!

Originally posted by whobdamandog

You choose NOT to be attracted to members of your sex? You are such a ****ing dickhead, I'm pissing myself. What a warped sense of the world you have. 😆

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is there a difference? Be real homes; you're intelligent. Its not obvious? There is a gray area with women, but men are either gay or str8. Any devience from being straight automatically makes a man gay. A women can suck a pussy and still retain her feminitiy, but if a guy sucks a dick, then he is gay as f*ck and there's no bullshitting or going back. If you don't know this, then you appearantly live on the moon because you are completely blind to human behavior.

You must be blind then. 😆

A woman who has sex with both men and women is BISEXUAL. A man who has sex with men and women is also BISEXUAL.

Does it disgust you so much that men can actually fall in love with each other? 🙄

Bisexuality exists. That's all there is to it. I used to be one of those who thought that it was the hiding place of a gay man or woman who just wanted to lend him/herself a measure of credibility in the straight word. But, that fact of the matter remians that I was wrong. I was younger and less experienced with the world. But, there are bisexuals. I know several.

Their asses not yours!

Originally posted by redcaped
Their asses not yours!

I get it, but it's not all about anal sex.

is it comprehensible.....