Originally posted by debbiejo
Thought so..............Thanks...............Mi amore!! 😄
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
you are so bent on proving me wrong. Just let it go.and one single thing you've agreed with me on. 🙄
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
"Mi Amore" is correct if she's speaking Italian. 😉Eis, you said you're from a Spanish speaking place? Where you from, ese?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Mi Amore is Itialian just as I am, which mean "My love"..........
I know some zoologists who would be spinning in their graves at these definitions of animals. If they were dead, and cared about such things.
Things that animals "Do" and "Do not" do
They do not rationalize. - There seems to be a few people on this thread, who shall remain nameless - who aren't showing any rationality either.
They do not have mercy on those weaker than themselves. - Brwww! Gays aren't natural, they should be forced into heterosexual relationships! Subjected to dangerous therapies advocated by Narth! If we show them mercy pretty soon everyone will want to be gay!!!
They do not cover themselves in clothing, to hide their nakedness. - Yep, clothing is a sign of civilisation. Makes me wonder about all those tribe and the like who are naked. Animals?
They do not cook their food to make sure that all the contaminants have been taken out of it. - True for people in some parts of the world, but not all.
They allow their wounded kin to be devoured by predators, when it best suites their purpose of survival. - And it's not like people have never sacrificed another to save their own skin. Or called a person who sacrifices themselves so others can survive a hero. The only difference is animals do it out of instinct, while we would consciously be pushing them out of the lifeboat.
They don't bury their kin...or perform religious rights.
They sniff the behinds of other animals. - Not all animals. In fact not even a large minority of animals.
They sometimes eat defecation. - As above.
They sometimes eat their young. - And apparently humanity is the only species that will harm it's young out of malice. And babies have been eaten when the need called for it (sieges and such)
They rub their behinds against trees. - Yeah, so much worse then scratching it with your hand.
They play with their defecation. - Once again - very few animals. And not forgetting those people with an unpleasant fetish that involves playing in it, or other peoples.
Their sole purpose in life is one of survival, not recreation. - Well gee. It's been made sound like humans should be more like animals "Gays don't use their reproductive organs for what they were designed for, reproduction, they aren't natural! If everybody was gay humanity would be doomed!" etc etc etc.
And as mentioned before Whob - you object to the studies put forward by other people, but you keep reiterating the same opinions of a small group of people who don't represent the whole and use a website that at best creatively interprets facts, and at worst completely and utterly twists them to fit it's views - same thing happened with some sites in the "prove evolution-win money thread" - quotes taken out of context and then used to build an argument in line with the site creators agendas. And they have enormous biased agendas.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was changed from left to right hand when I was young. They did that kind of thing in the 60's, and I seem to be ok, 😱 😆 I can't catch a ball, but I can operate my mouse on either side.
I stutter occaisonally and compulsivley switch hands while writing when i'm nervous (both common symptoms). My point is, if that's lateralism, imagine how ****ed up somebody get when you force them to change their sexuality.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I stutter occaisonally and compulsivley switch hands while writing when i'm nervous (both common symptoms). My point is, if that's lateralism, imagine how ****ed up somebody get when you force them to change their sexuality.
The man I met (see post a few pages back) seems just fine.
He has been straight for ten years now, lives with a great woman, and preaches to gay people.
He lived as a homosexual for almost 20 years, and was "set free by the blood of Jesus" (his words, not mine) during an intense prayer session.
However, I would agree with you Darth Jello, trying to "force" a person is stupid.
That would require repetion, negative reinforcement, etc....
What I'm talking about was a supernatural event, a single moment when he lost those desires/tendencies.....
Originally posted by sithsaber408
The man I met (see post a few pages back) seems just fine.He has been straight for ten years now, lives with a great woman, and preaches to gay people.
He lived as a homosexual for almost 20 years, and was "set free by the blood of Jesus" (his words, not mine) during an intense prayer session.
However, I would agree with you Darth Jello, trying to "force" a person is stupid.
That would require repetion, negative reinforcement, etc....
What I'm talking about was a supernatural event, a single moment when he lost those desires/tendencies.....
See. It's things like that, if they were true, that would really make me wonder about God, if he existed. With all the pain and suffering in the world, we have Jesus using his blood turning gay people straight. Seems a bit like having Neurosurgeons going around and using their skills to put band aids on skinned knees while those really in need lie on the operating table bleeding to death.
And if it was a supernatural event that turned him - well, it couldn't have been his choice then, could it? And what use is it for him to preach to other gays if it takes SUPERNATURAL events to change a person?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
See. It's things like that, if they were true, that would really make me wonder about God, if he existed. With all the pain and suffering in the world, we have Jesus using his blood turning gay people straight. Seems a bit like having Neurosurgeons going around and using their skills to put band aids on skinned knees while those really in need lie on the operating table bleeding to death.And if it was a supernatural event that turned him - well, it couldn't have been his choice then, could it? And what use is it for him to preach to other gays if it takes SUPERNATURAL events to change a person?
Some tough questions my friend.
I wont pretend to have all the answers.
I can, however, give you my opinions.
The world is full of suffering because of the people who live in it, not God.
We are sinful. You and I may not be murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc.... but humans are. They have the capacity for such things.
Or as Tommy Lee Jones said in MIB "A person is smart. People are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals.. and you know it."
Our world is imperfect because we are imperfect, and it is a reflection of us, not God.
As for Willie, (the friend of my father-in-law) it was his choice.
He knew that he didn't want that life anymore.
He prayed to the Lord, and was healed by power that he recieved from him.
It was a choice for him,.... the Bible teaches that we can use the power of God, through the Holy Spirit that is in us.
He was a Christian, but wanted to rid himself of his sexual feelings/tendencies toward men.
Think of a voodoo witch doctor who uses a doll to hurt a person. Even though its supernatural, the witch doctor chooses to use that power, with the intent to achieve the end result.
Its the same with Willie. He really was healed in a single instant.(again, his words).
Can't really exlplain it better for you, it's something you just have to experience. Like my father-in-law who was healed of heppatitus at a large Christian crusade in an area, and had like, 30,000 people pray over him.
The next day, he went to the doc. and the hepatitus was gone.
They had no answer for it. They just chalked it up to "hey sometimes things just go into remission." True. But they can't say why.
Oh, and it does do good for him to preach to gay people, because if they truly believe and call upon the Lord for the same healing, they will recieve it. Just like he did.... that's what he tells them.
Willie isn't one of a kind you know. 🙂
I hope that was at all helpfull... 😕
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
See. It's things like that, if they were true, that would really make me wonder about God, if he existed. With all the pain and suffering in the world, we have Jesus using his blood turning gay people straight. Seems a bit like having Neurosurgeons going around and using their skills to put band aids on skinned knees while those really in need lie on the operating table bleeding to death.And if it was a supernatural event that turned him - well, it couldn't have been his choice then, could it? And what use is it for him to preach to other gays if it takes SUPERNATURAL events to change a person?
Sith did quite a good job answering your question, I'd like to add my two cents if you don't mind.
Personally, I believe you have an excellent point. Many of those who focus on issues such as homosexuality and sexual sin..are very hesistant to offer help, however, all too willing to offer condemnation. I myself have been guilty of acting this way on many occassions, particularly within this thread. When in truth, homosexuality is no different than any other sin, whether a person be a liar, murderer, slanderer, gossiper etc. All of us have been inherently condemned for our sinfil behavior since birth.
I don't have a problem with sinners, since by default..I am one myself. What I have a problem with, is when people try to justify sinful behavior, even though their God given common sense tells them such behavior is morally wrong.
That being stated. I truly hope you all have learned something from my posting on here. I know at times many of my arguments were indeed unrestrained and a bit crude, and I apologize if I hurt anyone's feeling in attempting to thrust my point across. However, I believe if you truly examine some of my posts introspectively, you might find just a pinch of of wisdom in them amongst the many smilies and jokes..😉
Peace out guys and girls..and God Bless..
Fin.
here's an excerpt from it:
I, for one, am not convinced that human sexuality is totally learned. How many girls that attend all-girl schools become lesbians? How many men who are trained from youth to become soldiers (exclusively with other men) become homosexual? I can’t imagine that a majority of those people would end up being homosexual, even if the numbers are greater than I would expect, it would not fully explain why some remained heterosexual. I believe that you cannot simply disregard the biological component of human sexuality, no matter to what degree it affects our sexual preference. I once read about an incident involving a pair of twin boys, where one boy’s penis was burned off by mistake. When the twins were just born, doctors were performing a circumcision on one of the boys, and the doctor accidentally burned off the boy’s penis because the heated needle was too hot. After careful consideration, the parents decided to give their son a sex-change operation, and he was given a vagina. The boy-turned-girl was also given female steroids to promote with female puberty and help to eliminate problems with pubertal growth. The parents raised the once-male child as a female, and at first had promising results, since the boy with the sex-change (who we’ll just call a girl) behaved a lot like a girl, while his identical twin brother acted much like a boy of his age. The girl imitated her mother while the boy imitated the father, and the gender roles were certainly established early on. However, once the child grew to be a bit older, there were significant problems. The child walked like a boy, rejected playing with dolls, beat up children who made fun of her, and insisted on urinating standing up. The problem most relevant to our discussion is that she was simply not at all attracted to boys, even with estrogen treatment. The girl eventually began to contemplate suicide, and it was then that her father revealed to her the truth. Upon hearing the truth, the twin had a revelation, and everything suddenly made sense to her. She went and had another sex-change, changed her name and even married. Sadly, s/he committed suicide in 2004 (Henslin, 248). This example clearly shows that there is a significant biological factor in regard to not only human sexuality, but even gender roles. For me, it proves Cameron wrong in his assumption that human sexuality is totally learned, and that the “homosexual tilt” does not play a significant role in human sexuality. The boy-turned-girl in the above story did not find herself attracted to boys, despite being raised as a girl and being told her whole life she was a girl. Although gender roles do have a considerable effect on human sexuality, the biological factor cannot be ignored, and in the end it greatly outweighs the environmental factor.
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
here's an excerpt from it:I, for one, am not convinced that human sexuality is totally learned. How many girls that attend all-girl schools become lesbians? How many men who are trained from youth to become soldiers (exclusively with other men) become homosexual? I can’t imagine that a majority of those people would end up being homosexual, even if the numbers are greater than I would expect, it would not fully explain why some remained heterosexual. I believe that you cannot simply disregard the biological component of human sexuality, no matter to what degree it affects our sexual preference. I once read about an incident involving a pair of twin boys, where one boy’s penis was burned off by mistake. When the twins were just born, doctors were performing a circumcision on one of the boys, and the doctor accidentally burned off the boy’s penis because the heated needle was too hot. After careful consideration, the parents decided to give their son a sex-change operation, and he was given a vagina. The boy-turned-girl was also given female steroids to promote with female puberty and help to eliminate problems with pubertal growth. The parents raised the once-male child as a female, and at first had promising results, since the boy with the sex-change (who we’ll just call a girl) behaved a lot like a girl, while his identical twin brother acted much like a boy of his age. The girl imitated her mother while the boy imitated the father, and the gender roles were certainly established early on. However, once the child grew to be a bit older, there were significant problems. The child walked like a boy, rejected playing with dolls, beat up children who made fun of her, and insisted on urinating standing up. The problem most relevant to our discussion is that she was simply not at all attracted to boys, even with estrogen treatment. The girl eventually began to contemplate suicide, and it was then that her father revealed to her the truth. Upon hearing the truth, the twin had a revelation, and everything suddenly made sense to her. She went and had another sex-change, changed her name and even married. Sadly, s/he committed suicide in 2004 (Henslin, 248). This example clearly shows that there is a significant biological factor in regard to not only human sexuality, but even gender roles. For me, it proves Cameron wrong in his assumption that human sexuality is totally learned, and that the “homosexual tilt” does not play a significant role in human sexuality. The boy-turned-girl in the above story did not find herself attracted to boys, despite being raised as a girl and being told her whole life she was a girl. Although gender roles do have a considerable effect on human sexuality, the biological factor cannot be ignored, and in the end it greatly outweighs the environmental factor.
Something like this would have occured because the person in question was a boy, he was never a girl, and should never have been raised as one.
Originally posted by Makedde
Something like this would have occured because the person in question was a boy, he was never a girl, and should never have been raised as one.
but how can you say that homsexuality is chosen...and at the same time be able to explain why this child wasn't attrached to boys even though he was raised as a girl and taught that she he (she?) should like boys?
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
but how can you say that homsexuality is chosen...and at the same time be able to explain why this child wasn't attrached to boys even though he was raised as a girl and taught that she he (she?) should like boys?
I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, I believe that a person is born gay.
This boy was BORN a boy. He was raised a girl, which he was not. His parents raised him to be attracted to girls, but he can't deny who he is inside.
If you were in the same situation, you'd find that you couldn't be attracted to boys, because inside, you ARE a boy. You can change the outside, but you can never change the inside.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Hmmm....That's an interesting theory, Shaky.
(and the first real answer to why homosexuality develops in only a few people.)
It is possible that the human race is pro-actively dealing with over-population!!! 😱
I'm not disputing that homosexuality may be doing just that. 😉
It begs the question though, ..."When did the human race start to exhibit this response to over-population?"
Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years, indeed... even during the dark ages, when the life expectancy for most people was 40-55 and we were not anywhere near as populated on earth as we are now.
Also, the human being hasn't had any other major evolutionary changes in the last 7,000 years (physically/functionally, I mean) so it would make me wonder as to where/why the human race would suddenly start to evolve. (i.e. nobody is giving the human race info. that it is an over-populated organism, and should genetically engineer homosexuals.)
It wouldn't be a survival instinct, because many millions, even billions of people are living full, long lives despite over population. (i.e. there is no need in the mass human race for slowing the birth rate.)
Besides, if your between 18-25 like me, (23) a whole 3rd of our generation has already been aborted anyway. 🙁
A study by Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy finds that genetic factors favoring homosexual male offspring make women more fertile.
The researchers studied 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men and their relatives, which included more than 4,600 people.
The female relatives on the maternal side of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than the female relatives on the paternal side.
In comparison, the female relatives on both the maternal and paternal side of the heterosexual men did not appear to be as fertile, and had fewer offspring.
This suggests that women who pass on the trait for homosexuality to their male offspring are more fertile than women who do not.