Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Personally I think God likes gay people,

Yes..God definitely smiles upon homosexuality....he doesn't say anything about it being an "Abomination" in the Bible...🙄

Seriously Bud..God obviously loves everyone. It's his very nature to love. And we're all sinners. No man is better or more righteous than his brother in God's eyes. However, God's loving nature..does not somehow justify one to blatantly commit sin before him, nor does it mean that God condones or accepts someone who is blatantly attempting to disregard what he commands as being wrong, and who misleads others into believing such false and deluded doctrines. To be honest with you, I believe that a "heterosexual" teaching people false doctrine..like "homosexuality is okay in God's eyes", is commiting a much greater sin, than a "homosexual" who practices his beliefs, however doesn't attempt to force others to accept stated beliefs.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Anyway, I still never saw an answer to this. I am a straight guy. I can't think of a time I chose it. When I was old enough to appreciate and feel towards any gender, it was the the female form, that's just what I was attracted to. Not men at any point. And I really see no way I could make myself gay. So how does one go about becoming attracted to the same sex?

I really want to know how the choice works. It doesn't seem like picking vanilla icecream over strawberry or getting up and saying, I think I'll go with the monarch pattern tie. How does one choose Whob? [/B]

Answer: One chooses to be Gay, just like they choose to be a stripper, or they choose to be an alcoholic, or just like they choose to be a gambler, or just like they choose to be a drug dealer. All of these are choices..seeing as how no one is forcing another to engage in such behavior.

People generally become involved in such behaviors for a multitude of reasons..generally the enviornmental factors one experiences while growing up play the substantial role in one's reasoning behind making these choices, however, even if one is "genetically predisposed" to a particular type of behavior..it still doesn't negate their ability to choose whether or not they engage in such behavior.

I may have been born having a slow metabolism, or grew up in an enviornment where people didn't eat healthy, Does that mean that I do not have a choice in watching and maintaining a healthy diet?

After a while..when one habitually chooses to do the wrong thing, it becomes difficult to do the right thing again. Being born into a sinful world, we are all "genetically predisposed" to wanting to do the wrong thing..instead of doing the right thing. This is true of all sin, not just homosexuality. But despite what genetics we have or our the environment that we grew up in, we still can make choices about whether or not we want to live a "Godly" life..or whether or not we want to live a "Wordly" one.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
can this dumb shit get closed yet? It's turned into nothing but personal attacks and homophobia.

Am I the only one who can see the irony behind this statement..🙄

I believe some people choose and some people dont.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Yes..God definitely smiles upon homosexuality....he doesn't say anything about it being an "Abomination" in the Bible... 🙄

The Bible which was incidentally penned by men. Which was put together the way it was by an administrative body which had it's own agendas, leaving out other gospals, tidying it up and all that. Personally I'd like to see the directors cut as it were, before I decided what God really liked and disliked. And lets be honest here, my parents love me, apparently God loves me and all that. But if either called me an abomination, well, that goes beyond tough love. I dare say it's not only that loving, it's an insult, a cruel one at that.

"What, you scratched the car? Abomination! Your going to hell because you can't learn to drive straight! Abomination!"

If a parent went around saying that to a child they apprently loved, well, that would be considered criminal. A crime. And the kids would probably be taken of them.

Answer: One chooses to be Gay, just like they choose to be a stripper, or they choose to be an alcoholic, or just like they choose to be a gambler, or just like they choose to be a drug dealer. All of these are choices..seeing as how no one is forcing another to engage in such behavior.

People generally become involved in such behaviors for a multitude of reasons..generally the enviornmental factors one experiences while growing up play the substantial role in one's reasoning behind making these choices, however, even if one is "genetically predisposed" to a particular type of behavior..it still doesn't negate their ability to choose whether or not they engage in such behavior.

I may have been born having a slow metabolism, or grew up in an enviornment where people didn't eat healthy, Does that mean that I do not have a choice in watching and maintaining a healthy diet?

After a while..when one habitually chooses to do the wrong thing, it becomes difficult to do the right thing again. Being born into a sinful world, we are all "genetically predisposed" to wanting to do the wrong thing..instead of doing the right thing. This is true of all sin, not just homosexuality. But despite what genetics we have or our the environment that we grew up in, we still can make choices about whether or not we want to live a "Godly" life..or whether or not we want to live a "Wordly" one.

What on earth? I have to ask, I really do, do you consider sexuality to be the same as choosing a job? And I see not a single thing there that tells me how to go about being gay or turning myself gay. Stripping or becoming an addict of some sort is vastly different from being gay. I can consciously choose to peddle the drugs or partake in that career or choose something that's addictive. But, I never chose to be straight. There was never a time where there was a fork in the metaphorical road which lead to either heterosexuality or homosexuality. And none of the gay people I know can come up with anything like that in their life either. When they got old enough to feel for other people, they felt for the same sex, just as straight people felt for the opposite. And you still haven't said how it's possible. You just tried to compare it with choosing a career and said nobody is forced to do anything.

But that aside, tell me, in your view it's choice, like choosing to be a postman or having a cup of orange juice instead of apple. Maybe caused by environment. Tell me then, what is wrong with all those loving, heterosexual families, families like any million others? Which include religious families, atheist families, rich families, poor families. What in these normal, everyday families, is making these kids go wrong then? Seeing as how nearly all homosexuals come from heterosexual parents?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"What, you scratched the car? Abomination! Your going to hell because you can't learn to drive straight! Abomination!"

If a parent went around saying that to a child they apprently loved, well, that would be considered criminal. A crime. And the kids would probably be taken of them.

Equating scratching a car..to a man boinking another man up the bunghole..makes sense..I can tell you're a rationale person...😉

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
What on earth? I have to ask, I really do, do you consider sexuality to be the same as choosing a job?

And the question has been answered multiple times my friend. People "choose" to engage in sexual intercourse with people of the same sex. No one forces them to do this. This is just common sense bud.

Regardless of what one's deluded mind believes their "natural" attraction may be, that does not disable them from making this choice. You've failed in proving that people can't choose to engage in "homosexual" sexual activity..and thus..you've failed to prove that homosexuality is no different than any other lifestyle choice an individual can make in their lives.

Fin

Why do you think people have a problem with homosexuality?

Equating scratching a car..to a man boinking another man up the bunghole..makes sense..I can tell you're a rationale person..

Originally posted by papabeard
I believe some people choose and some people dont.

I think some people might choose because they like the idea of it, or for attention, as if its a fashion statement or something or maybe they are bisexual and make a decision, many reasons. People do weird things so its not too much of a stretch to think that there are people on this earth who would choose to be gay for whatever reason. Now most of this category are not lifelong homosexuals, it may only last for a short time.

I also believe that some people do not chose and its is affected on a genetic level.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Equating scratching a car..to a man boinking another man up the bunghole..makes sense..I can tell you're a rationale person...😉

Great big eternal God, maker of it all, knower of it all, a being who has watched terrible wars unfold, millenia of murders and rapes and misdeeds in his name, slavery, stars dying etc etc etc. My goodness, compared to all that is going on I'd think homosexual love would kind of be down the bottom of bad things going on.

And I was poking fun at your "Yeah, God loves gays, that's why he calls them an abomination. Now God loves everybody etc etc." And I think it's a valid point, I don't think I would believe a person truly cared for someone if they called them abominations and meant it, as apparently God does on many an occasion.

And the question has been answered multiple times my friend. People "choose" to engage in sexual intercourse with people of the same sex. No one forces them to do this. This is just common sense bud.

Regardless of what one's deluded mind believes their "natural" attraction may be, that does not disable them from making this choice. You've failed in proving that people can't choose to engage in "homosexual" sexual activity..and thus..you've failed to prove that homosexuality is no different than any other lifestyle choice an individual can make in their lives.

And now your misinterpreting. The question has not been answered. You basically said "A gay can choose not to be gay because people can choose to be drug dealers or not" when the question was "If being gay is a choice tell me how one becomes gay, the process involved."

And now your saying that regardless of who they are attracted to they should simply choose not to have sex at all. Yes - a person can choose to have sex or not, but a person can't willfully choose to be homosexually orientated. There is a difference. A gay person will still be gay if they decide to live a life of celibacy, just as a heterosexual will still be a heterosexual even if they never have sex.

And it seems to me, actually, that you have failed to prove homosexuality is a choice, and as a result have redefined the question, so instead of saying "they have a choice whether they are attracted to men or not" you are now saying "they have a choice whether they have homosexual sex or not"

It seems, more and more, that Whob isn't really saying people choose to be gay, rather they choose not to act on it.

If he can't figure out that people do not choose to sit around thinking about sex with another person of the same sex, or getting married to another person of the same sex, or think about going to dinner with another person of the same sex, or going to a museum with another person of the same sex, or raising children with another person of the same sex etc, etc, etc ...especially given the social stigma involved, ....then he must be referring to the act of choosing to ignore those feelings and live a life based on the principles of strict christianity.

Whob, you really are starting to make me wonder if you're gay and resentful of those of us who have gotten over it and decided to live their lives as they feel is their obligation to themselves. Don't hate other people because they weren't affraid of their own feelings and you are.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It seems, more and more, that Whob isn't really saying people choose to be gay, rather they choose not to act on it.

If he can't figure out that people do not choose to sit around thinking about sex with another person of the same sex, or getting married to another person of the same sex, or think about going to dinner with another person of the same sex, or going to a museum with another person of the same sex, or raising children with another person of the same sex etc, etc, etc ...especially given the social stigma involved, ....then he must be referring to the act of choosing to ignore those feelings and live a life based on the principles of strict christianity.

Whob, you really are starting to make me wonder if you're gay and resentful of those of us who have gotten over it and decided to live their lives as they feel is their obligation to themselves. Don't hate other people because they weren't affraid of their own feelings and you are.

Hey! now look what you just did... you made me feel sorry for wob. 🙄

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It seems, more and more, that Whob isn't really saying people choose to be gay, rather they choose not to act on it.

If one starts to eat crap for a while, and they continue to eat it day in and day out..guess what..they'll be conditioned to eating crap...almost to the point where it becomes a natural behavior..

Does that mean that I was born wanting to eat crap?

I don't think so my friend.

You are deceiving yourself Captain..to think that you have no ability to control your actions, is the silliest thing I've ever heard. The irony of this is that you all act as if I am obsurd, however consistently throughout this thread you all have stated arguments along the following lines.

1. Human beings should do whatever makes them feel good.

2. People don't choose to participate in certain actions, they're inherently born being attracted to these things.

3. People have authority over themselves..and the government doesn't have any ability to regulate what they believe in.

4. Capt Fantastic -"sure I like to stick my pee pee in another man's a-hole..but I don't choose to do so"

5. Imperial Samarai -"Gays should be able to adopt kids, this explains why it's genetic."

6. A man who get's his pee pee choped off during a bad circumcision operation shouldn't be raised as a woman..or else he'll end up Gay..

Among countless other silly arguments..

🙄

Seriously..do you guys really believe in all of this..do you really not see how obsurd you sound. Have your minds become so diluted with the perverse...that you no longer know right from wrong anymore?

It's really scary to hear you guys speak, and realize that much of your mentality reflects that of what many young people have grown up adhering to today. If this is the future of mankind..then said to say..we're doomed.

Fin

Originally posted by whobdamandog
You are deceiving yourself Captain..to think that you have no ability to control your actions, is the silliest thing I've ever heard.

Oh, poor Whob who pretends to be too ignorant to understand what people are saying. You know very well that I haven't addressed controlling one's actions. I am speaking to the emotions behind those actions. I'm speaking to the repressed, self-loathing existence that comes along with denying how a person was born. You want to profess it's a choice. That's fine, call it a choice. But, no one can deny how they feel. If someone chose to be gay at such an early age that they no longer recall making that choice, it is your responsability as a member of society to allow them that choice. But, you go on through your life pretending that you're stronger than everyone else that has decided to partake in the lives they were born to live. I'm sure you think you've accomplished something by denying yourself, but when it comes right down to it, you're going to die a lonely unfullfilled person with nothing but regrets.

PVS is asking you about a you accepting a blowjob, but we both know that you have never gotten anywhere close to getting one. I asked you weeks ago if you'd ever had sex, or even a girlfriend...and you never answered. I see why. Maybe you aren't just unattractive and self-loathing. Maybe you really think that never leaving your house will remove the burden of temptation. But, I want you to get out more. You can take that as advice or an accusation. But, there it is.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If one starts to eat crap for a while, and they continue to eat it day in and day out..guess what..they'll be conditioned to eating crap...almost to the point where it becomes a natural behavior..

Does that mean that I was born wanting to eat crap?

I don't think so my friend.

You are deceiving yourself Captain..to think that you have no ability to control your actions, is the silliest thing I've ever heard. The irony of this is that you all act as if I am obsurd, however consistently throughout this thread you all have stated arguments along the following lines.

1. Human beings should do whatever makes them feel good.

2. People don't choose to participate in certain actions, they're inherently born being attracted to these things.

3. People have authority over themselves..and the government doesn't have any ability to regulate what they believe in.

4. Capt Fantastic -"sure I like to stick my pee pee in another man's a-hole..but I don't choose to do so"

5. Imperial Samarai -"Gays should be able to adopt kids, this explains why it's genetic."

6. A man who get's his pee pee choped off during a bad circumcision operation shouldn't be raised as a woman..or else he'll end up Gay..

Among countless other silly arguments..

🙄

Seriously..do you guys really believe in all of this..do you really not see how obsurd you sound. Have your minds become so diluted with the perverse...that you no longer know right from wrong anymore?

It's really scary to hear you guys speak, and realize that much of your mentality reflects that of what many young people have grown up adhering to today. If this is the future of mankind..then said to say..we're doomed.

Fin

The judgments you are making are evil and are often used as rationalization for hate crime.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Yes..God definitely smiles upon homosexuality....he doesn't say anything about it being an "Abomination" in the Bible...🙄

God say it is an abomination, and that if two men have sex they should be killed. It says it, because I have read it with my own eyes.

Originally posted by Makedde
God say it is an abomination, and that if two men have sex they should be killed. It says it, because I have read it with my own eyes.

Originally posted by FeceMan
M'dear, you must learn the intricacies of sarcasm.

A bit of advice I think Whob should consider as well.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If one starts to eat crap for a while, and they continue to eat it day in and day out..guess what..they'll be conditioned to eating crap...almost to the point where it becomes a natural behavior..

Does that mean that I was born wanting to eat crap?

I don't think so my friend.

I must admit I had no idea what on earth you were going on about. Then I decided you must now be trying to say to homosexuals be homosexuals for so long that it becomes natural to them. Which, once again seems silly. Fact - the majority of homosexuals are raised in heterosexual families and are not exposed in a huge way to homosexuality.

It's not like they are strapped in, Clock Work Orange style and exposed to homosexuality their entire childhood. Really, that argument is absurd. There is once again a huge difference in you "eating crap" (as opposed to your usual style of spewing it) your whole life and developing a taste for it to sexual orientation. The only way your argument there would have even the slightest validity is if you can produce some statistic that shows a scenario like the one I mentioned with Clock Work Orange. But whats that, there is no statistic because it's not true? Colour me unsurprised.

I must admit I had no idea what on earth you were going on about. Then I decided you must be now trying to say to homosexuals be homosexuals for so long that it becomes natural to them. Which, once again seems silly. Fact - the majority of homosexuals are raised in heterosexual families and are not exposed in a huge way to homosexuality.

Whob's arguments keep getting sillier.

Originally posted by Eis
Exactly I was raised in a conservative catholic home in a conservative catholic town and still so I'm gay.

Whob's arguments keep getting sillier.

My sentiments exactly.