Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
This is the statement I disagree with 👇

When you say "pursue that lifestyle", it sounds like you are saying homosexuality is nothing more than a behavior. Which it is not.

There are plenty of homosexual men who have gotten married and lived the "heterosexual lifestyle" for decades, still carrying there homosexual attractions and desires, simply refusing to act on them, but still having them. Sooner or later, they all crack and these men end up cheating on thier wives with other men, not "coming out" until much later in thier life.

Same with Lesbian women.

What makes a person a homosexual [b]isn't simply who they have sex with. We already know this, as many marriages are frauds because thier nothing more than a "cover up".

What makes a person a homosexual is thier attraction to the same sex. Nothing more, nothing less.

***There are GAY VIRGINS. And you are forgetting that. ***
There are young boys who have sex with girls, but masturbate over the thought of other boys, simply because it arouses them.

Are you going to tell me that masturbating to the thought of other men is a lifestyle ? 😬

And tell me..... who chooses what they are aroused by ? [/B]

Er, I actually won't refute any of this, because I'm in agreement with it, just to a lesser degree. You're of the mind that genetic factors play an important role in all of this. And given the evidence we have been able to gather, this is not just a reasonable position but a likely one.

My calling it a choice was just acknowledging that anyone with the "gay gene" isn't 100% pre-determined to become homosexual. We're dealing with statistical majorities, not absolute certainties.

So I'm sorry if the word "lifestyle" offended you. It is a lifestyle, like most other major decisions, and one that is likely largely determined by genetic factors. But whereas I can only view the scientific evidence, you're using your firsthand anecdotal knowledge of it to strengthen the position in your mind. You're probably right, and we're mostly in agreement, but I don't want to lend force to my own argument with anything but empirical evidence backing me, so there will be a necessary (small) gap between our positions.

Originally posted by Robtard
Baffling...

Those are your own personal views/interpretation of God, okay.

I don't like when people do that either, if you hate gays, just be honest and say you hate gays; don't hide behind a religious safety-net, imo.

Religious fanatics*...pfffft...the world is a better place without them...regardless of their religion.

*you can be a fanatic of your religion..but when I call you a religious fanatic...that is because you are the type that marries underage children and has sex with them...you kill your followers with "divine orders"...you blow the shit out of innocent bystanders who may even support your position or views...just to get your lame point across..etc.

Please, stop using ellipsis so unnecessarily.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Please, stop using ellipsis so unnecessarily.

No.

Deal with it...it is how I break my thoughts while I am typing so damned fast. I could just put a ";" or a ":" or a "," most of the time, but I could careless because this is a f***king message board and I don't have to turn my post in for a grade...why does it bother you?

Originally posted by dadudemon
No.

Deal with it...it is how I break my thoughts while I am typing so damned fast. I could just put a ";" or a ":" or a "," most of the time, but I could careless because this is a f***king message board and I don't have to turn my post in for a grade...why does it bother you?

Because it's horrible to read, why else would it bother me?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because it's horrible to read, why else would it bother me?

That was a rhetorical "you're an idiot" type of question....of course it bothers you.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Er, I actually won't refute any of this, because I'm in agreement with it, just to a lesser degree. You're of the mind that genetic factors play an important role in all of this. And given the evidence we have been able to gather, this is not just a reasonable position but a likely one.

My calling it a choice was just acknowledging that anyone with the "gay gene" isn't 100% pre-determined to become homosexual. We're dealing with statistical majorities, not absolute certainties.

So I'm sorry if the word "lifestyle" offended you. It is a lifestyle, like most other major decisions, and one that is likely largely determined by genetic factors. But whereas I can only view the scientific evidence, you're using your firsthand anecdotal knowledge of it to strengthen the position in your mind. You're probably right, and we're mostly in agreement, but I don't want to lend force to my own argument with anything but empirical evidence backing me, so there will be a necessary (small) gap between our positions.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ethis is not just a reasonable position but a likely one.

Explain difference, plz.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Please, stop using ellipsis so unnecessarily.

I use them to sound like William Shatner.

it isnt really a LIFESTYLE. there is more than just genes that determine the way your brain is wired. it also depends a lot on nurture. or the input from your surroundings in different situations. a person may not be GENETICALLY gay, but his mind may develop in a way as to associate sexual excitation with the male form. in a way it is a very permanent thing and can not be called a lifestyle. so even when not genetic, it can very well be a permanent thing which isnt just done on a whim or just due to curiosity.

Originally posted by Robtard
I use them to sound like William Shatner.

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That was awesome...

Originally posted by Nellinator
I wouldn't say that it's a "statistical majority", more like a statistically significant increase in likelihood of recurrence.

I agree. This is just a refinement of my statement, and one that probably states it more clearly.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Explain difference, plz.

The difference I drew between "reasonable position" and "likely position" is just in terms of evidence. Reasonable would correlate to something like "its possible, but not proven". Likely would mean something akin to "the evidence is pointing us in this direction." Though at this point, given the young nature of the studies, reasonable and likely are as far as I will go, because we don't have enough corroborating evidence to say for certain that specific gene patterns play a role in homosexuality.

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Why are scientists so preoccupied with what causes homosexuality, to the near-total exclusion of the factors that lead to heterosexuality?

I don't object to research into sexual orientation. It is the one-sided obsession that bugs me.

The presumption seems to be that straightness is normal and therefore does not need explanation; whereas queerdom is a deviation from the norm and this requires investigation and answers.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

For lack of a better word, being straight would seem to be "normal"; I know that indirectly implies that homosexuality is abnormal, but it's not my intention.

From a species existence point of view, if all or mostly all animals of any certain species were born homosexual (not sexually inclined to the opposite sex), that species would probably go extinct.

Leads me to believe, that the sexual urge to mate with the opposite sex is naturals fail-safe for survival of the species. Who knows, maybe homosexuality is natures normal way of population control.

I agree that the reason of why people are straight, should be looked into just as much as to why people are gay, it would only serve to understand both aspects better.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

I disagree with that assessment...heterosexuality is definitely looked into and explored much more often then homosexuality is looked into.

I rarely see a study done on homosexuality...I see studies done left and right on heterosexuality.

Gettin' it on with the opposite sex seems to be an obsession for humans and it is talked about anywhere and everywhere....magazines, the news, video games..everywhere.

Homosexuality is not as common or looked it, it is more interesting to look into from a scientific perspective because it is not "normal"...discovering something new is what most scientists love to do.

I could actually say the opposite of that guy and be more correct than he is..."why isn't homosexuality looked into more often? Why are humans obsessed with their heterosexuality? It would seem that studying the abnormal would be more interesting rather than repeatedly going over the same things gone over millions tp billions of times for thousands of years. Is homosexuality really that much of a taboo?"

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree with that assessment...heterosexuality is definitely looked into and explored much more often then homosexuality is looked into.

I rarely see a study done on homosexuality...I see studies done left and right on heterosexuality.

Gettin' it on with the opposite sex seems to be an obsession for humans and it is talked about anywhere and everywhere....magazines, the news, video games..everywhere.

Homosexuality is not as common or looked it, it is more interesting to look into from a scientific perspective because it is not "normal"...discovering something new is what most scientists love to do.

I could actually say the opposite of that guy and be more correct than he is..."why isn't homosexuality looked into more often? Why are humans obsessed with their heterosexuality? It would seem that studying the abnormal would be more interesting rather than repeatedly going over the same things gone over millions tp billions of times for thousands of years. Is homosexuality really that much of a taboo?"

Not really, its just that humans tend to forget the past in order to further their own goals, in this case its making homosexuality a taboo. If it was a taboo the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, and Feudal Japanese wouldn't have done it. Naturally, as you stated, humans are obsessed with Heterosexuality. They can't stand the thought of something different being done. But, that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree with that assessment...heterosexuality is definitely looked into and explored much more often then homosexuality is looked into.

I rarely see a study done on homosexuality...I see studies done left and right on heterosexuality.

Gettin' it on with the opposite sex seems to be an obsession for humans and it is talked about anywhere and everywhere....magazines, the news, video games..everywhere.

Homosexuality is not as common or looked it, it is more interesting to look into from a scientific perspective because it is not "normal"...discovering something new is what most scientists love to do.

I could actually say the opposite of that guy and be more correct than he is..."why isn't homosexuality looked into more often? Why are humans obsessed with their heterosexuality? It would seem that studying the abnormal would be more interesting rather than repeatedly going over the same things gone over millions tp billions of times for thousands of years. Is homosexuality really that much of a taboo?"

Studies on heterosexuality?

Personally, I think homosexuality might be both. It could be genetic, but humans are still capable of overriding such things. If its chosen, their genetics might force them back to heterosexuality. It could even be determined by which gender you stronger feelings of love towards. One guy might have a strong emotional attachment to another man but not love him, while the other man does love the first. In the end, I don't think we'll ever find the answer...