Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by Robtard
What type of environment would a heterosexual person place themselves where they would turn homosexual?

Because I've been to gay bars; I've been to parties where there were plenty of gays around and I've watched Barbara Streisand films, yet I didn't turn or even thought of becoming gay.

Not a heterosexual...more like a person who could go either way but, unknown to themselves, only require specific stimuli to become one or the other. Have you ever met a person who was sexually confused but met them later in life and they decided to definitely be straight or definitely be gay...or just let things go how they were until they became gay or straight? Some of them end up being bisexual as well.

I would more or less call these types neutral...neither straight nor gay. Like a child, I guess. I was definitely an exception to the rule; I have always been sexually attracted to women since I can remember. My peers, however, were not attracted to males or females, per se, until they were older: around nine or ten.

To sum up:

In my opinion, I believe that those who have the genetic potential to be homosexual do not become homosexual all the time because of choices made in their life. I don't believe that someone has a 100% genetic potential to be homosexual either. I believe that the genetic side will increase the probability of the individual to become homosexual and that probability is based on choices. (Choice which are not necessarily made on a conscience level, either.) The same thing goes for someone who become heterosexual who has the genetic potential to become homosexual.

I also believe that some have all the genetic cards in place to be perfectly heterosexual but because of choices and environment, become homosexual. (Literally homosexual...not just wanting to fit in with a social persona they find appealing or trying to get attention...I mean perfectly homosexual.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
You might not know that it does or have the choice to leave.

You might not know or think about it on the conscious level, regardless of whether or not you make the choice to be aware of that. The person not realizing a choice being there still does not remove the fact that they have a choice. (Specifically as it relates to the environment and the stimuli experienced in that environment.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just that you don't always choose your environment.

True that you don't always choose the environment that you are born into...but the choice is still there to choose which stimuli in that environment you choose to take interest in. Even if you don't consciously think about which stimuli you respond to, the choice is still there. The power of the human mind is amazing and when it comes to behaviors as a function of genetic predisposition, the human mind can alter that. (That brings up another argument: what if "will" is a combination of genetics and environment? (Meaning we don't have a spirit.))

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure what you mean with "technically" a homosexual.

I mean a genetic predisposition, and therefore technically (or "on paper"😉 homosexual. This, of course, is my opinion and right now, we don't have perfectly conclusive evidence for homosexuality based on genetics.

talking about gay stuff is gay

I might include that for me to be a choice it has to happen in a conscious level (I am also of the believe that is the common definition of choice). I never consciously chose to like the colour blue, I doubt I was genetically predisposed to do so, so I think it is a third option.

my theroy is if homosexuality is genetetic than would rapests and child molestion be genetic as well? for instance im a violent guy and am i violent do to my father killing someone? if so please provide scientific facts if the offspring of a man who killed someone will geneticaly do the same.

Originally posted by P23
my theroy is if homosexuality is genetetic than would rapests and child molestion be genetic as well? for instance im a violent guy and am i violent do to my father killing someone? if so please provide scientific facts if the offspring of a man who killed someone will geneticaly do the same.

Rape and child molestation is not genetic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Rape and child molestation is not genetic.

is that proven? im just saying if homosexuality is genetic than what else is? i used rape and child molestation as a example in this factor. where is scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic? like i stated for the 3rd time now people are born to be what they are. thats my option and im sticking with it.

Originally posted by P23
is that proven? im just saying if homosexuality is genetic than what else is? i used rape and child molestation as a example in this factor. where is scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic? like i stated for the 3rd time now people are born to be what they are. thats my option and im sticking with it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you say "people are born to be what they are", don't you support that it is genetic?

imv the term ( genetic) is defined in many factors. the tricky part about gentics to me is that lets say it is gentic and i do have a gay older brother now with him being homosexual how would that condone to me and my little sister if it were genetic? now the thing is my brother is my half brother same mom diffrent dads.

Originally posted by P23
imv the term ( genetic) is defined in many factors. the tricky part about gentics to me is that lets say it is gentic and i do have a gay older brother now with him being homosexual how would that condone to me and my little sister if it were genetic? now the thing is my brother is my half brother same mom diffrent dads.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It could be genetic without every relative of that person being gay as well.

ok then so technacly like i stated a person is born the way there suppose to be. this may be off topic but i heard that alot of people believe violence is a genetic traight as well. thats why i used it for a example for a possible comparsion.

Originally posted by P23
ok then so technacly like i stated a person is born the way there suppose to be. this may be off topic but i heard that alot of people believe violence is a genetic traight as well. thats why i used it for a example for a possible comparsion.

I don't think everything is decided by birth. I think there are way more factors that have to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think everything is decided by birth. I think there are way more factors that have to be taken into consideration.

i believe anything is possible hell i can be wrong. maybe homosexuality will never be discovered how it is happening or maybe we will.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Rape and child molestation is not genetic.

Sexual predation MAY be genetic...just like homosexuality may be genetic. If things like rape are genetic, I still think it can't be "blamed" for bad behavior because of my opinion on "choice"..) Heterosexuality is definitely genetic because we are a sexual species, but that is a biological necessity so it is easy to see why heterosexually is genetic. What about other things? There could be so many things that go back to genetics such as a short temper, being great at math, etc.

I dunno, it is really hard right now to attribute behavior to genetics.

The whole issue of Genetics is rather difficult...Perhaps its best to say that both options are possible...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sexual predation MAY be genetic...just like homosexuality may be genetic. If things like rape are genetic, I still think it can't be "blamed" for bad behavior because of my opinion on "choice"..) Heterosexuality is definitely genetic because we are a sexual species, but that is a biological necessity so it is easy to see why heterosexually is genetic. What about other things? There could be so many things that go back to genetics such as a short temper, being great at math, etc.

I dunno, it is really hard right now to attribute behavior to genetics.

or maybe this is a very long stab in the dark but what if during the 9 month frame after fertilisation what if a y chromosone in a man swiches off and triggers a a female chromosone? cit can be possible if the y turns into an x.

Originally posted by P23
or maybe this is a very long stab in the dark but what if during the 9 month frame after fertilisation what if a y chromosone in a man swiches off and triggers a a female chromosone? cit can be possible if the y turns into an x.

Also doesn't really make any sense, to put it mildly.

Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by anaconda
neither its an affection, its like do you prefere blond or brunettes.......... doesnt matter if you fall in love you fall in love

Could still be genetic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, there are plenty of studies on heterosexuality that conclusively point to biological, and therefore, genetic factors as they pertain to reproduction in humans. See my other thread here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461930

This thread, though not all of it is about heterosexuality, it does list some studies done that directly test biological markers of heterosexuality. This thread HARDLY list a great deal of tests done about human sexuality. That thread also proves another point I made earlier: heterosexuality is tested and studied much more often than homosexuality...which directly contradicts the professional opinion of Peter Tatchell. I don't think he truly realized how often heterosexuality is studied/tested...he approached the subject narrow mindedly thinking that it was just as appropriate to test why straight people are straight when tests are done all the time to explain the whys of straight people, though, not specifically to differentiate them from homosexuals.

Again, this is incidental to the point, i.e. that the cause of homosexuality is studied to the exclusion of the cause of heterosexuality.