Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Heterosexuality is definitely genetic because we are a sexual species, but that is a biological necessity so it is easy to see why heterosexually is genetic.

This only implies that the urge to copulate is biologically-driven. It does not identify the biological or genetic cause of heterosexuality.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I dunno, it is really hard right now to attribute behavior to genetics.

Sexual orientation is characterized by an enduring emotional, physical, psychological, and romantic attraction to members of a particular sex, not by behavior.

every1 is potentially bisexual. that is what i think.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Again, this is incidental to the point, i.e. that the cause of homosexuality is studied to the exclusion of the cause of heterosexuality.

Why didn't you put quotes on that i.e.? Doesn't he realize that every time someone discovers something about homosexuality...they also discover the same something about heterosexuality?

Also, I still dispute his logic...you say it is incidental..and I understand that...I can't even put into words how I want to say this...I would rather talk to you about it until you understand what I am trying to say... 🙁

I can't make it make sense...it is so frustrating to try to even explain what I mean...okay...no one is studying the cause of heterosexuality at all...they study the "whys" and behaviors of heterosexuals...not the cause.

Homosexuality is not normal, that is why it is studied. I assume he is homosexual.

Why do we need to study why humans end up heterosexual? Don't we know what causes it already? (Not specific genetic sequences...but you get what I mean.)

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This only implies that the urge to copulate is biologically-driven. It does not identify the biological or genetic cause of heterosexuality.

Heterosexuality is in the genes and it is in the genes for ANY sexual species...else the species go extinct. There has to be a means of reproduction in a sexaul species so it is programmed into the genes. Why do I have to defend heterosexuality in this way? I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Down to the tiniest of organisms to the blue whale...sexaul organisms are programmed to reproduce via their genes.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sexual orientation is characterized by an enduring emotional, physical, psychological, and romantic attraction to members of a particular sex, not by behavior.

And who is disputing that? I can't, no matter how hard I try, put it into words that make sense...bare with me.

Behaviors are just simply the way you act. Some people are wanting to attribute behavior to genetics.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Homosexuality is not normal, that is why it is studied. I assume he is homosexual.

You have a 2 steps forward 1 step back kind of approach to this, don't you?

i love how people need to redefine the word "choose" in order to shoehorn their hairbrained theory into the topic. to choose is to consciously pick an option. to say "hmmm....should i like men, or women".

if no choice takes place...then its not a choice.
DERDERDEERRRRR dur

Originally posted by dadudemon

Heterosexuality is in the genes and it is in the genes for ANY sexual species...else the species go extinct. There has to be a means of reproduction in a sexaul species so it is programmed into the genes. Why do I have to defend heterosexuality in this way? I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Down to the tiniest of organisms to the blue whale...sexaul organisms are programmed to reproduce via their genes.

I can honestly say I have never even thought about this in detail. I know very little about it but I will take time to look into it and come back

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why do we need to study why humans end up heterosexual? Don't we know what causes it already? (Not specific genetic sequences...but you get what I mean.)

No, we do not. It is presumed that heterosexuality is caused by biological and genetic factors, despite no biological or genetic indicators of heterosexuality having been identified. That is the entire point.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Heterosexuality is in the genes and it is in the genes for ANY sexual species...else the species go extinct. There has to be a means of reproduction in a sexaul species so it is programmed into the genes. Why do I have to defend heterosexuality in this way? I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Down to the tiniest of organisms to the blue whale...sexaul organisms are programmed to reproduce via their genes.

Sexually reproducing organisms are not biologically-driven to reproduce, but to copulate. The result of copulation may be reproduction in some cases, but it is the urge to copulate, not to reproduce which causes them to have sex in the first place.

It doesn't have to be chosen or genetic...it could be social conditioning...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, we do not. It is presumed that heterosexuality is caused by biological and genetic factors, despite no biological or genetic indicators of heterosexuality having been identified. That is the entire point.

Yet, somehow, there can be derived specific evolutionary traits about sex and reproduction of the human species such as the over development of females breasts and male's penises being larger "around" than most mammals. (On a proportions level, of course...lol)

What about androgens and their receptors?

*reads your next point* aahhh, I see where you were/are going with this.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sexually reproducing organisms are not biologically-driven to reproduce, but to copulate. The result of copulation may be reproduction in some cases, but it is the urge to copulate, not to reproduce which causes them to have sex in the first place.

That is a perspective that is reaching a little bit, imo. Yes, they are programed to copulate...but why were they programmed to copulate...to further the species. In other words, they were programmed to copulate to further the species...therefore, they were programmed, genetically, to further the species via copulation.

I hope I didn't offend you by saying homosexuality is not normal. I don't mean that from a psychological perspective but a biological one.

Also,

While experiments are being done to unlock reasons for homosexuality, heterosexual causes are discovered as well. To me, studying the "causes" of homosexuality is also a way to discover the "causes" of heterosexuality. It would be easier to go that route because genetic and other biological differences will be easier to test for. (Without going on and on why this is so...basically, a difference between two heterosexual tests subjects may not indicate the cause of their heterosexuality, however, a difference between one homosexual and one heterosexual test subject may indicate a cause for both their respective sexual orientations.)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It doesn't have to be chosen or genetic...it could be social conditioning...

Can you expand on how society, consistantly for the last couple of thousand years, has conditioned people to have homosexual urges and relationships?

Originally posted by Schecter
that settles it. you're gay.

You said "if you're the giver, then it isn't gay." Did you lie to me, so I'd mount you?

Originally posted by Devil King
Can you expand on how society, consistantly for the last couple of thousand years, has conditioned people to have homosexual urges and relationships?

Teletubbies, Sponge Bob, Danger Mouse...

Originally posted by dadudemon
That is a perspective that is reaching a little bit, imo. Yes, they are programed to copulate...but why were they programmed to copulate...to further the species. In other words, they were programmed to copulate to further the species...therefore, they were programmed, genetically, to further the species via copulation.

This unnecissarily presumes an intelligence behind natural processes.

Originally posted by Devil King
Can you expand on how society, consistantly for the last couple of thousand years, has conditioned people to have homosexual urges and relationships?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think he is just stating that it would be a possibility.

I think he was asking how that could be a possibility to begin with.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think he was asking how that could be a possibility to begin with.

I think you are right.

I think that in many ways humans are so complex that all sorts of social influences can have one or the other outcome. The possibility for homosexuality could be in all of us though the trigger could be different.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you are right.

I think that in many ways humans are so complex that all sorts of social influences can have one or the other outcome. The possibility for homosexuality could be in all of us though the trigger could be different.

Of course I am, duh.

Sound reasoning, as it's very possible; what was your trigger?

Originally posted by Robtard
Of course I am, duh.

Sound reasoning, as it's very possible; what was your trigger?

Your cock.

On second thought, that doesn't insult you at all, does it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Your cock.

On second thought, that doesn't insult you at all, does it?

I'm flattered and no, it doesn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think that in many ways humans are so complex that all sorts of social influences can have one or the other outcome. The possibility for homosexuality could be in all of us though the trigger could be different.

I assume the same triggers are present for heterosexuality? So, is sexuality, attraction a human construct?