Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Wow, Bigot AND Sexist!

I don't think homosexuality is genetic, because the it couldn't evolve, because of its nature... (nothing against gay's there, just simple bio...)
It has to do with chemicals in your brain or something, like imagination or why some people have different skills than others, somewhere in there there has to be a chemical that controls attraction.

Its is classified as a mutation. In nature natural selection routs out the spread of the mutation. No sex, no reproduction, mutation dies. So generally its a mistake, but some can force it upon themselves mentally.

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
You are a bigot because you think your way is correct and everyone else is wrong. We are not bigots, because we do not think that everyone else's views are wrong, we are just saying that you are wrong. There are other views out there that we might disagree with, we call extremists Muslims bigots too, but few others make statements really that say that they have the one and only truth and everyone else is going to hell...

In order to illustrate this I will tell you a story:

Once a Christian missionary was telling the story of creation to a group of Haudenasaunee (Iroquois) people and had finished the story of Adam and Eve when one of the natives said "These are good stories, I believe them." After the Christian had shared his creation story with them the natives felt it was okay to tell the Christian one of their creation stories. After they had finished telling it the Christian said to them, "This is evil, I bring you truth... but you tell me these falsehoods!" One of the larger natives then responded by basically telling the missionary that he is lucky that his people are being so patient with him...

We have been patient with you, but many of us are sick of hearing Bible quote after Bible quote telling us why you are right and we are wrong... most of the people on Earth don't believe in the Bible, many of us here dont beleive in the Bible... we arent saying you cant tell your opinion, just dont act all hurt when we present ours and ask legitament questions about what you believe. Don't act all hurt when we ask sharp loaded questions... you've been doing this as well as us so dont act like you dont know whats happening. This is a forum after all... meaning if we dont agree with you we will tell you.

*applauds*

Well said...

If you were religious, you'd know of how satan is taking over. homosexuality is a huge sin, and theres a big increase in it lately. there are also people that WORSHIP satan. and so much other crap. this is clearly not a coincidence.

You are a hypocrite, then. you have your own opinion but call me a bigot for having another. this is a forum...if everyone shared your opinion then thered be no reason to debate...you are clearly "intolerant" to wut i have to say, and call me the bigot

It's opbvious to me that the view of Catholicism is against gays for one perfectly viable reason! It's just so goddam unprofitable! Look, if the gay population cannot reproduce, then they won't bring up any children as Catholics, and that means that they'll be less money for the pope to get gold thread in his hat!

Sorry, I've just been browsing a Catholic forum, so forgive me if my views are a little biased. I'll get over it.

Originally posted by Morningstar
"And like I asked FE earlier -- do you have an opinion that doesn't come from the bible?"

Ahh yeah, actually i do - somewhat surprisingly some people might think 😛

Yet you're not going to tell us what that is based on?

Originally posted by Syren
😬 'Dyke'......not a good choice of word, but it's cool to see someone appreciating The Omega, she deserves it.

wait isnt dyke the scientific word for lesbian???
...no?
oh... 😮
*hides* 🥷

...first, er... who was it... right!! finti, well, ok i know some christians (most not ALL) are quite bigoted (+is that ortographycally correct??) but I don't remember seen christian killing jews, or black people or satanics, or whatever, yes it sucks balls that some dont repsect other's sexuality, but it's quite not the same.

and btw in the last interview the pope had, they asked him about homosexuality, and he just said that in his opinion, homosexuals should not be allowed to be priests, He never said that they are blinded by satan or anything 😬

but I don't remember seen christian killing jews

My example was an extreme one but with purpose. We dont accept the neo nazis view on gay people but we shall except the biblical view. There is nothing different between the views on gay in the mention example besides the neo nazis actually say what we ought to do with them.
Both views are wrong, if someone is of the view or opinion that a type sexual preference is wrong they display a bigot view.

Just because someoen has "God is with Us" on there belt buckle does mean HE really is, YOU honestly think God was with Hitler?

Many on here are calling certain people Bigots, WE all have the right to our opinion on here. Several have called me that among other names, lol but oh well, but anyways why does one feel the need to lower themself to name calling cuz they disagree w/somenes opinions?? To me that is wrong. We have that right to express ourself and WE all think WE are the ones right, thats also obvious. But for someone to lower themself to name calling or pick on somene that can't spell very good and tell them they need a dictionary....it's wrong. To me they sound more like bigots than anyone to lower themself to that point.

You really didn't uderstand(or want to understand) Turbo-Cajun's post, did you?

Yes, you have a right to an opinion. But all you're doing is saying that it's wrong, and giving bible quotes and passages that say so. You're not even trying to be accepting of homosexuality.

We're disagreeing with your argument that it's wrong, refuting what little stuff you have to back up your argument that it's wrong, and wishing that you could just accept the fact that homosexuality exists, and that no one's going to change their lifestyle just to please you.

But like others have said, I may disagree with what you're saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. But I WILL let you know when I disagree with you, and I have to disagree VERY strongly with you on this topic.

Just because someoen has "God is with Us" on there belt buckle does mean HE really is, YOU honestly think God was with Hitler?

nobody quotes what I say cry

schmoll

Originally posted by finti
Gott mit Uns is more like the rambling of Prez Bush he too thinks he has god on his side. I dont believe in god so I dont think anything about it, what I do know though is that a lot of german/austrian soldiers and officers was religious persons and the religion they practiced was chrisitianity catholics and protestants side by side for their "Vaterland"

oh I quite understand what u mean, but of course ure not talking to me, nobody is schmoll

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Yes, you have a right to an opinion. But all you're doing is saying that it's wrong, and giving bible quotes and passages that say so. You're not even trying to be accepting of homosexuality.

We're disagreeing with your argument that it's wrong, refuting what little stuff you have to back up your argument that it's wrong, and wishing that you could just accept the fact that homosexuality exists, and that no one's going to change their lifestyle just to please you.

But like others have said, I may disagree with what you're saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. But I WILL let you know when I disagree with you, and I have to disagree VERY strongly with you on this topic.

I have given other examples of why I feel it's wrong other than the bible and YOU know that!!! wishing i could accept the fact that homosexuality exists, WHEN have I ever said it didn't exits?? it's obvious that it does, I just disagree with it and we all have the choice.

I never said that you think it didn't exist!!! Way to not read what I wrote. What I said, is that we wish you'd ACCEPT THE FACT that it exists. As in, accept homosexuality. Deal with it. Learn that you can say all you want and it won't change the fact that, yes, there are gay people out there!!!

Duhhh that is a well known fact, your point being?? I don't have to agree with something just cuz it exist.

I'd just like to say that my opinion has actually been changed during this thread's existence. Although I still agree completely that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, I have come to the conclusion that it is not really a conscious choice that one makes. Using my own experience at first to defend my initial view that homosexuality is chosen, I am now using the same experience to admit that it is more likely to be genetic. But, I don't think the word genetic is quite the correct terminology, as it refers to DNA. I am bisexual and I have known for over four years now and I don't actually recall the exact moment that I came to realise this. Therefore I would assume it isn't a choice I made, rather an already ingrained part of my being which hadn't touched the surface before that point. Which is also why I'm unsure about it being considered genetic. Eye-colour, skin, height, physical attributes, yes. They are direct results of DNA. But to say that a sexual preference stems from either of my parents seems a little ridiculous to me. I actually think it's due to environment and surroundings. I have been brought up in an open-minded household and I was free to make my own choices, be they bad or good, and this, IMO, is how I came to be bisexual. Not because my mother or father had any 'mutant' genes. 🙄

OMFG... This scares me. I really can't believe that people think some of this stuff. I come from a very religious background, went to catholic school for 10 years, and have every conservative family, but I myself and Bisexual... very much so. I can't say that it's genetic, because I know of no one in my families that are even bicurious, and i can't say it's a conscious descision, cuz if anything, i'd hate homoisexuality due to my background. To me this whole argument boils down to the "nature vs nurture" argument. ... This is really random, i apologise to anyone i throw off with this...

Originally posted by PandoraMomo
OMFG... This scares me. I really can't believe that people think some of this stuff. I come from a very religious background, went to catholic school for 10 years, and have every conservative family, but I myself and Bisexual... very much so. I can't say that it's genetic, because I know of no one in my families that are even bicurious, and i can't say it's a conscious descision, cuz if anything, i'd hate homoisexuality due to my background. To me this whole argument boils down to the "nature vs nurture" argument. ... This is really random, i apologise to anyone i throw off with this...

Exactly what I said 🙂 Sort of 😉