Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by finti
that would make Homosexuality an escape from reality

Originally posted by Syren
Oh please Clovie, do you really believe this? Yes, because the reason I am bisexual is exactly the same as the reason I self harmed for four years[/sarcasm]

And why older brother hun? Females are more than capable of being gay too, although it seems this is much more widely accepted and though I'm not complaining on that score I do find it a little fickle.

and yes i do believe in that. and btw i'm not saying that i have to be right, or that it always has to be this way.
or anything.

that would make Homosexuality an escape from reality

yes

i don't know.

rather as a diferent path trough the life.

Originally posted by Clovie
rather as a diferent path trough the life.

That makes perfect sense, but I still don't see how it has any relevance to your saying it's a result of trauma 😬

And I just got the 11111 post 😄

Well the question should be "Homosexuality: Definately chosen or definately genetic?"

I know gay people who have not another gay person in their family. Yet I know an entire family where all the female siblings are homosexual/bi-sexual.

It's not genetic. It's chosen or not chosen as the case may be.

Homosexuality is a plus for men and women. Face it. I could speak for every guy in here right now aaaaaaand ok I will because this is a factual statement:

There is NO greater stab to the heart than finding out your girlfriend is cheating on you with another man. Someone you love is cheating on you with another person of the opposite sex because, more than likely you cannot give her what she wants and he can.

The way I see it, it's retarded for men to go "Yuk, that man is sleeping with another man." What? You'd prefer him to sleep with a fine woman? I swear homosexuality in males boosts the single straight male to single straight female ratio. More females for us.

A scenario, your girl leaves you for a man. It'll hurt for many many reasons, love, lust, embarassment. You will feel like you are in adequate or lessened somewhat.

Now, if my girl left me for a girl, I'd feel sad but I'd be a damn sight happier than if she left me for another man. Because I'd KNOW that neither I or any other man could give her what she was after. I'd rather go to bed knowing (forgive me for this ladies, I mean no disrespect) that my girl was getting it on with another female than another man.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural, it's unconventional. Even so, that is becoming more and more untrue as more and more people are seeing that being gay or having gay instincts (male or female) is fine and you have the right to choose how to live.

It's not genetic, it is chosen and it should be chosen more if that's what you feel your choice is.

You get one life, live it how you want and choose what you wish.

Question for the guys, would you rather see a movie with Angelina Jolie or another fine specimen of female, getting drilled by a man, or pleasured by a woman?

Yeahhh I know my choice. Homosexuality is a plus there. As I'm sure many woman MAY like to see Brad Pitt kissing Orlando Bloom than Jennifer Aniston.

-AC

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I don't think it is fair to compare priests molesting little boys to two adults in a mutual relationship. Also, if a priest is gay but stays in the closet about it and never acts on it, doesn't that prove that homosexuality is not chosen? Why would a man who supposedly preaches the word of God choose to be attracted to men, but never tell anybody and never act on it. What does he get out of that? Wouldn't he choose to be a heterosexual and save himself from all that drama?

Plus, if you are going to go by the bible, which I know you do, then even being a closet homosexual is a sin. Because in my bible study my teacher said that Jesus Christ preached that even thinking about sinning is as bad as committing an actual sin. So if you contemplate stealing something but never go through with it, that is just as bad as stealing it. So by that logic, if you are attracted to the same sex but never act on it, you are a sinner.

Did you see this post that PandaraMOmA posted? Yeah.
Oi vey... I have a random question for the religious people who are anit-homosexuality...
Ever since the christian or catholic church formed, it has been known that there are gay priests. Hell, it was also common practice in the early days of the church for clergy men to have their "boys". Any explination

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I don't think it is fair to compare priests molesting little boys to two adults in a mutual relationship. Also, if a priest is gay but stays in the closet about it and never acts on it, doesn't that prove that homosexuality is not chosen? Why would a man who supposedly preaches the word of God choose to be attracted to men, but never tell anybody and never act on it. What does he get out of that? Wouldn't he choose to be a heterosexual and save himself from all that drama?

Plus, if you are going to go by the bible, which I know you do, then even being a closet homosexual is a sin. Because in my bible study my teacher said that Jesus Christ preached that even thinking about sinning is as bad as committing an actual sin. So if you contemplate stealing something but never go through with it, that is just as bad as stealing it. So by that logic, if you are attracted to the same sex but never act on it, you are a sinner.

I didn't mean for the whole "boys" comment to sound like that, it was just to show the homosexual tendancies of some priests, not the molestations. It was a crappy example, and i'll admit it. And any priest being gay and remaining celebate is to me, the same as any heterosexual priest not having sex w/ a female, so then is the hetero priest chosong to be straight even tho he has the capacity to be gay? So, then, by choosing to be straight, he had to contemplate whether or not he wanted to be gay, and by simply thinking about being gay, he sinned?

Also:
Yay! Thank you Alpha Centauri! Awesomeness.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeahhh I know my choice. Homosexuality is a plus there. As I'm sure many woman MAY like to see Brad Pitt kissing Orlando Bloom than Jennifer Aniston.

-AC

Um, I think I have to point out that in this scenario you kinda contradicted yourself. Yeah, if my guy left me for another man I would feel marginally better that he needed something I couldn't physically give him, so it would be no reflection on my personality so to speak, but to get turned on by Brad Pitt kissing Orli? Nope. That would completely burst the fantasy bubble, the fact that Orli and Brad were actually gay would kind of defeat the object don't you think? It would mean that I, or any female for that matter, could never give them what they crave. As small a chance as it would be anyway, it would now be almost impossible a concept considering they are both gay, hypothetically speaking. Do you see what I mean? But yes, I would very much enjoy any female on female action because then I could quite comfortably involve me in my fantasies 😉

Yeah but in the end I made a reference, in general, to how men quite possibly view general girl/girl and how women would/may or may not view man/man action. Some males would prefer to see a hot female kissing a man, some wouldn't. You misinterpreted the connection between that and my actual base post. Of which there wasn't much.

-AC

I have a tendency to misinterpret, due to lack of tone of voice and general inflection, probably.......

It's no problem.

-AC

Originally posted by PandoraMomo
I didn't mean for the whole "boys" comment to sound like that, it was just to show the homosexual tendancies of some priests, not the molestations. It was a crappy example, and i'll admit it. And any priest being gay and remaining celebate is to me, the same as any heterosexual priest not having sex w/ a female, so then is the hetero priest chosong to be straight even tho he has the capacity to be gay? So, then, by choosing to be straight, he had to contemplate whether or not he wanted to be gay, and by simply thinking about being gay, he sinned?

I wasn't saying I think it's a "sin" to be gay or think about being gay. I said according to Christianity, contemplating a sin is just as bad as sinning itself. So if the priest has homosexual thoughts, that is a sin because he's thinking about having homosexual relations, which is a sin.

people choose to be gay. just like stright people choose to be straight. You willingly choose to take it up the rear. Maybe you dont choose wanting to like c.ock, but you do choose to suck it.

are you sure they choose it. We know that past experiances and choices influence our decisions making a 50 50 choice more like 70 30, but do they actually choose for us. because of all the things we have done before will it determine our choice.

just like stright people choose to be straight

instinctual, plain and simple.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
people choose to be gay. just like stright people choose to be straight. You willingly choose to take it up the rear. Maybe you dont choose wanting to like c.ock, but you do choose to suck it.

But that's exactly what we're talking about here. Not the opting to actually partake in the act itself, but the urges and emotions, and where they stem from.

Adam_Poe> Good and informative post – as always!

Turbo_Canjun> Have you considered simply ignoring JM? He/she is a kid, beyond reasoning and logic who just found a place to get some attention. I pity him/her – but have better things to do than waste my time on endless arguing to satisfy some angsty kid’s attention-cravings.

Silver_Stardust> I’ll readily join you in the round of applause.

FE> Your Bible-gargling dodging of questions just reached incredible heights. How do YOU know what God wanted? Hm? So – God wants us to love him more than our OWN children? What a vain and arrogant deity.
God has ordered killings plenty of times. Remember what happened to the first-born children in Egypt? And YOU are against abortion – but think it’s okay for God to kill all those innocent babies?? (Exodus Chapter 12)

“Even when I wasn't a christian I still thought it was NOT natural, and I know a ton of people that are NOT christians, that feel that same way.”
So it’s OK because ”a ton of people” are bigots like you? WHAT people? Not only have you been using the argumentum ad nauseam fallacy countless times. NOW you’re also guilty of argumentum ad numerum. GAH!
Wait! You HONESTLY believe sex before marriage is a SIN???
😆

Star has told you that homosexuality is NATURAL because it is FOUND in ”Nature” (Natural = Found in or derived from nature). Since some animals show homosexuality is is found IN nature, thusly it is natural. Homosexuality in humans is NO different. It exists – ergo it is natural. Do not confuse ”natural” with ”having a divine purpose” which you seem to be doing.

Morningstar> If you find homosexual sex “icky” don’t have it. But just because YOU wouldn’t like it, why shouldn’t others be allowed to? The purpose of sex is NOT having kids – WELCOME to the 21st century where people have sex because it gives pleasure.

And FE agreeing with Harmonica – WHAT a surprise…

Trickster>… 😄 Good point!

Once again: Look at your friends and acquaintances. You’ll see “feminine” men and “masculine” women who’re not gay, and some who are. They’ll never find a “gay” gene, it’s not A gene that determines sexuality.
I’ve posted this before, but have a look at, say, D. Kimura’s research. It’s hormonal, and in the 6th-8th week after conception the embryo is flooded with testosterone. The amount does not decide the GENDER, that was done at conception, but influences the brain later in life as to how masculine/feminine it’ll be.
Take a woman with an even more “masculine” brain and you may get a gay person. The same goes for men. And this may also explain bisexuality – if an explanation IS needed.

Which it isn't.

WHy must we hate and disapprove of people who are different? It makes zero sence

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Ok, so you JUST said that we should disregard the Old Testament, did you not?

Jesus basically summed up the ten commandments when he said:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul.
Love your neighbour as you love yourself.

But the 10 Commandements still should not be disregarded. 😄