I think all we Christians in this thread are getting a load of bullshit and they don't know how to have a proper debate. Honestly people. In a debate/discussion you do not go on name calling. Its immature. If the issue is too touchy for you to debate. Buzz off. We don't agree with your opinion but we share our own. We respect yours, you disrespect ours. Its nonsense is what it really is.
Re: Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?
Originally posted by Lord Soth
Well, the answer is obvious to me. Let's see what you think and then I'll pop in w/ my view later
its not really either 😬
DEFINENTLY not chosen!
its just theyre born with it!
but not genetic, because im sure in some family's they would be all straight, then one gay just pops up 😬
its jkust something youre born with 😬
its like boy/girl. its not genetic, your just born a guy or a girl!
in the same way, youre born gay/straight droolio
If a family is all heterosexual and there is no history of having a member of that families history of being a homosexual. The odds are nothing, Misha. So it really does not make a valid point. I personally believe an individual who is a homosexual was not born with this trait genetically, this has not been proven - and it has though its a hoax in the making. An individual does not choose to be a homosexual, it is through that persons history through relationships with their parents, family members, members of the opposite and the same sex. Though, I personally believe the individual at one point suffered from trauma with their mother/father or with a member of the opposite sex. Eventually this person feels unwelcomed and comes to know someone who is different then them of the same sex and feels loved and welcome. Now that is what a few members and I believe in this thread.
Adolf Hitler was a very evil and had a very twisted mind. However, there are quite a few people within the last few years of his life. From him taking power of Germany and leading it to war against the world. However, statesmen and politicans then respected his nationality sovereignty. The reasons for this is, the world was quite imperialistic and back then, a lot of these things such as genocide were being committed around the world, especially in the British Empire's colonies in Africa and India. The World supported Imperialism and the Politicians supported Germany's claims to expanding her territory and regaining territories they lost to France in Paris Talks of 1919.
Though I understand your point though, however it is good intentions that you respect other's opinions in later dates and/or posts they may respect yours and start sharing the same ideologies and you included in return.
I think all we Christians in this thread are getting a load of bullshit and they don't know how to have a proper debate. Honestly people. In a debate/discussion you do not go on name calling. Its immature. If the issue is too touchy for you to debate. Buzz off. We don't agree with your opinion but we share our own. We respect yours, you disrespect ours. Its nonsense is what it really isoh stop keep on feeling so bloody sorry for yourself, if you read the reply of some of the christian posters it is obvious THEY DONT RESPECT the view and lifestyle of others at all.
Originally posted by Anth Honestly people. In a debate/discussion you do not go on name calling.
You guys started it. Sense began with a homophobic comment, and was pressed on the issue, making the whole discussion of whether or not homosexuality is inherited or chosen go down the toilet.
We don't agree with your opinion but we share our own.
We are not debating opinions, we are discussing systems of beliefs and what is acceptable and what is unacceptable as polite discourse by someone from an aggressive absolutist religous position. For example, yourself. Your comment was mostly polite, though not well informed (referring to your initial post), and it was responded to politely by those who disagree with you, me. This is the basis upon which debate and forum rest. Because we attack certain parts of your beliefs does not mean we are being blatanly disrespectful, granted I myself am not always polite or respectful, but I would say that I have a higher batting average than the majority of the fundemental christians who visited this particular thread.
Anth wants a hat too....ghost2
I'm not asking for anyone to respect my opinions. I'm not going to sugercoat my thoughts by pretending I think someone made a valid point or has a respectable opinion when they actually don't in my eyes.
If I see something as utter bullshit, I have no problem calling htem on it. If they allow that to give them a jaded view on my opinion, I could care less. Chances are I wouldn't want someone like that agreeing with me in the first place. Especially if their ideas promote prejudice, persecution or the seperation of a type of people based soley on their little religion. In my eyes those are bad religions and thus, bad beliefs that don't warrant any sort of respect from me.
I find it absolutely disgusting that people are still seperating homosexuals from "regular people" in this day and age. Ironically most of these people don't see how their views and ideas are very similar to the ideas of the early 20th century which had to do with taking away rights of black people, merely because they were black. The same basic thing is going on now, just not nearly as extreme. And I have no problem "disrespecting" a persons opinion on this subject by bringing this comparisson to light.
People go off and say they think homosexuals should be treated equally and all that, and then some of them will immediately say "but they shouldn't be allowed to get married." Holy shit, do they not see the gaping hole of contradiction they just commited? By taking away a right such as marriage (yes, it's basically a right in this day and age) from a person because of their life style, that is persecution and seperation, which is never a good thing when it's aimed at a whole group of people for no reason other then a lifestyle choice that harms absolutely no one.
Now, if these people would quit pussy footing around the subject and pretending they're all for gay people while wanting to limit their freedoms, then I'd have a much smaller problem with them, at least they'd be being honest with themselves, and others. None of this two faced bullshit.
I agree with you that it was wrong for Sense to start off by posting a homophobic comment in this discussion. I understand where you are getting at Cajun and I quote you 'aggressive absolutist religous position. For example yourself'. I am not coming from an aggressive absolutist religious poistion. I am not condemning homosexuals to Hell. That is what Fundamentalists do. I am not a Fundamentalist. I do not take action nor suport the actions of Fundamentalists of my religion who kill doctors who perform abortions, burn down their clinics or start shooting homosexuals with a shotgun.
I actually support Same Sex Marriage and Gay Rights. They can have all the same rights as heterosexual married couples do, in fact they can already do so in common law, they just want to bring it to the next step.
Originally posted by AnthWe don't agree with ... but we share our own.... We respect yours...you disrespect ours..
Sounded like you were taking sides on this arguement with Sense there for a minute Anth...
If that is not the case, it was a misunderstanding and i apologize... its been a long day and I was aiming with heavy darts.
I am glad to hear you are not a fundementalist.
I refuse to choose. I was born 'straight' so to speak, and yet when I hit 15/16 I realised that I appreciated the female form. I am not gay, I suppose I'm what you'd call 'bisexual'. But I certainly didn't have an interest in women as soon as I started getting an interest in sex. That took a couple more years. So I'd say that although, genetically, I became naturally interested in sex, my preferences are more down to my experiences and open mindedness.
Well in that case, wouldn't your bi-sexuality be more a result of the environment that you have grown up in?
You started straight, but then throughout your life experiences, and the environment you grew up in...you've learned to appreciate the beauty of the female body. No doubt by being around aesthetically pleasing females...
If it were genetic....wouldn't you have had those feelings all along?