Kerry Bush officaial election thread

How many UN resolutions were imposed on Husane before we went in? THE RESOLUTIONS WERE NOT WORKING! JK DID SAY WRONG WAR AT THE WRONG TIME! He is going to get more UN backing with Quotes like that? Thank God Bush is ahead in the polls and his lead is growing. And how about JK's record in the Senate? In 20 years he has only passed 5 count them 5 bills that became Law. Only one of those Bills was authored by him, the other four just had his support. One of those bills had something to do with the naming of a courthouse, WHOOPDEEDOO. JK voted against the no child left behind law. As a father I cant in good concience vote for someone like that. JK voted against Home Land Security. And I dont care what the left says George W. Bush won the last two debates. GB has led this country out of a ressesion that he inherited fro Bill FREAKING Clinton. In the last year he has created over 1 1/2 million new jobs. The unemployment rate is now at 5.5% which is the same rate that Bill Clinton's admin. celebrated! During Jimmy Carter's admin. that statement was made that FULL EMPLOYMENT ment a rate of 4%. Later that rate was raised to 5% due to populatin growth. that means that GB's rate of 5.5% is damn near FULL EMPLOYMENT.

And you want to vote for John Kerry? If you think that neather one is worthy then vote Nader.

Originally posted by PVS
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i agree, but until there is REAL campaign fianance reform, when will there ever me a candidate who is not an asclown? never.

i dont expact kerry to fix america, i just feel in my gut that he wont f*** it up anymore. its not even a matter of "i hate kerry, but i hate bush more"

the fact is bush has a messiah complex. it was clear from day one, when he said he believed god wanted him to be president. (he actually said that). it was clear when he included jesus in his inaugural speech, which was very inapropiate. if he's saying grace at his dinner table, then jesus if fine conversation, but to exclude such a high percentage of americans in his first speech as president...bad. then in one of his speaches following 9-11 he referred to the impending war in afganistan as a 'crusade'...now, for those not well informed in history, the crusades were basically christians slaughtering muslems in the name of god...

its not that i hate bush (well...i do but...) bush frightens me. his stupidity is boundless and the though of 4 more years under his rule make me cringe.

so, although i like kerry and would genuinely like to see him as president...i must admit that i would vote for a head of cabbage over our present commander in chief.

spirituality is a wonderful thing.

but he is presidant of a free nation.
it is his JOB to address and include ALL citizens,
not just his 'christian brothers'. put it this way, what if
a muslem was elected president and in his inaugural speech
he said something like "...and we are all one people united under alah"

would that not bother you at all?

Alah is there word for God. The same God that I worship The father of Christ. George Bush is not imposing religion on anyone he is just a religious man who has a firm grasp on his values. Now if every morning we had to stand in line and say a prayer or be thrown in jail, that would be an imposed religion but that is not happening. And to answer your question, no it would not bother me as long as it was not imposed on me. Yes we are a FREE nation, thats what gives us the right to religious choice. In a free country like this even a muslem could become President. GB was talking to the nation not just Christians he was just practicing his right to religion. Do you feel that the phrase "Under God" should be stricken fro the pledge? I dont.

alah is not the father of jesus.
muslems believe jesus to be a prophet who came after moses and before mohammed, but not the son of god. so no, its not the same.
he said "jesus" not god.

in a presidential speech, he speaks not on behalf of himself, but of the nation.
he has to represent all of us. and forgive my example of alah, fine...a hindu u.s. president declares us all united under shiva...so....that would be ok with you?

as far as "under god" in the pledge, that part of the pledge was inserted in the 1950's, under pressure from right wingers. i could care less if they strilke it out.

You are missing my point PVS. The point is I dont care what religion he practices as long as he knows how to lead the nation. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are freedoms to all in America and thank GOD for that. The Founding Fathers founded this nation UNDER GOD, that is why it was inserted into the pledge to Begin with.

Regardless of the Muslim beliefs on Christ, they still worship the same god that I do. Hindus have every right to there beliefs. No it would not bother me. I would put on my suit and go to church sunday morning.

In a pesidential speech he speaks TO the nation not nessisarily on behalf of them. If he was speaking on behalf of us he would be speaking to some other nation. IMHO.

Originally posted by jedijunky1138
You are missing my point PVS. The point is I dont care what religion he practices as long as he knows how to lead the nation.

fine, so you would feel comfortable with a hindu u.s. president decaring the nation "united under shiva"? you never answered that.

Originally posted by jedijunky1138
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are freedoms to all in America and thank GOD for that. The Founding Fathers founded this nation UNDER GOD, that is why it was inserted into the pledge to Begin with.

thats a blanket statement.
our nation was founded for many reasons. some would be to avoid being taxed by a government in which we had no representation, escaping religious persecution, an open frontier to exploit, lots and lots of reasons.

and again, that part of the pledge was inserted in the 1950's, before hand it had nothing to do with god.

I edited my post. I dont think a Hindu would run for President. I'm not sure it is in there belief structure.

Originally posted by jedijunky1138
The reason that it is a ***** move is because JK has no business bringing someones personal life into the campaign, What if George bush brought up the issue of the countries obesity problem then mention John Edwards wife and here struggle with her weight? That would have gone over like a lead balloon with the LIBS.

five words "swift boat veterans for truth"
bush/cheney have gone so low as to try to discredit kerry's war record,
saying he was a fraud and didnt deserve his medals. what right did they have to attack him? never MIND the issue of whether or not it was their business.

kerry brought up a FACT.

1-cheney's daughter is gay.
2-cheney loves his daughter.

is that really so vial a topic?

Originally posted by jedijunky1138
I edited my post. I dont think a Hindu would run for President. I'm not sure it is in there belief structure.

dude, just answer the question. think hypotheitcally, you KNOW where im going with this. dont make me have to research native american dieties just to rephrase the question.

The point of my original post was to convey my feelings on the presidential race. The only response that I get from you is that the only reason you are voting for JK is because you dont like GB. Then the only reason you have given for that is because he used to name Jesus in his speech. If that is the case I strongly disagree. but you have the right to vote however you like. and regardless of all that I still think you are COOL.

Originally posted by PVS
dude, just answer the question. think hypotheitcally, you KNOW where im going with this. dont make me have to research native american dieties just to rephrase the question.

no no no no no

he declare america to be under jesus, not himself.
i think you are purposely using bliders here.

if he went up and said "i am a man of faith, and i believe in jesus, i love jesus...etc" i would not mind at all. good for him in fact!

but he spoke of the ENTIRE NATION under jesus...thats twisted

and no, its not my only reason for disliking him, its just the point im arguing at the moment.

read it for what it is. he declares ONE NATION UNDER JESUS

Originally posted by PVS
five words "swift boat veterans for truth"
bush/cheney have gone so low as to try to discredit kerry's war record,
saying he was a fraud and didnt deserve his medals. what right did they have to attack him? never MIND the issue of whether or not it was their business.

kerry brought up a FACT.

1-cheney's daughter is gay.
2-cheney loves his daughter.

is that really so vial a topic?

Originally posted by WindDancer
I'm going Green party. Can't stand Republicans or Democrats. 👇

Hate to tell ya but green partys not in the race Nader is indipendent.

"No Republican tried to stop Mike Moore's Fahrenheit 911 from airing"

No, but they did try and keep commercials for it from being played during primetime.

are you sure you're not thinking of bush's missing military record?
you know the specific records which document the days in which he aledgedly went AWOL...records which were 'coincidentally' misplaced.

as far as teresa's 1993 tax statement, first i've heard of this...

and as far as swiftboat adds equal to moore films. NO F'N COMPARRISON.

sinclair is forcing all its stations to air the swiftboat adds, as well as blocking democrat adds. people under their territory have no choice but to eat righty propaganda, whether they are watching cnn, fox, comedy central, sci fi chanel, history chanel, a&e, whatever...poeple have a choice as to whether or not to see f-911

"12% is quite a bit less to pay for a rich person compared to the normal...what? 20 some % that the nations rich pay in taxes."

And for your info, the average person in the US pays about 33% in taxes every year, and as you move up in the tax brackets this percent goes higher, and I think tops out somewhere around 38%. And this is quite low compared to most other countries. But of course, Bush gives tax breaks to the rich, who can easily afford to pay their taxes...I said this in another thread, but apparently he never heard of the French Revolution.

(ahh, econ class...coming in handy...)

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
"12% is quite a bit less to pay for a rich person compared to the normal...what? 20 some % that the nations rich pay in taxes."

And for your info, the average person in the US pays about 33% in taxes every year, and as you move up in the tax brackets this percent goes higher, and I think tops out somewhere around 38%. And this is quite low compared to most other countries. But of course, Bush gives tax breaks to the rich, who can easily afford to pay their taxes...I said this in another thread, but apparently he never heard of the French Revolution.

(ahh, econ class...coming in handy...)

because she's filthy rich?