I am familiar with the Wounded Knee massacre... Ive read a couple books on that and seen a couple videos on that. Haven't read that one though... I might if i get a chance to. Yeah I just get Chippewa and Ojibwe mixed up in my mind for some reason... my short term memory isnt quite what it used to be.
Re: How come a woman can't never be a prist in the Catholic faith?
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I mean I heard that they have aulter girls now but I d on't see the point of that through since they say that woman can never be prist in the church anyway.
Anyone understand this or can tell me why they think there should be no woman prist ever in the history of the church?Comments anyone?This question has been brothering me so that is why it is good to ask it here since I know you guys would answear it.Thanks JM
when the institution starts admitting men as nuns, maybe then we'll see women as priests...
Re: Re: How come a woman can't never be a prist in the Catholic faith?
Originally posted by mc pee pants
when the institution starts admitting men as nuns, maybe then we'll see women as priests...
Hm? I don't pretend to be an expert in church hierarchy, but I believe that the male equivilant of nuns would be monks, not priests.
Actually, the ban on women being priests in the Catholic church is fairly recent... in the 3rd Century a "Bishop Theodora" is mentioned, along with several female priests.... the Church father's later attempted to cover this up by amending the name to Theodore, and altering portraits... Julian of Norwich (twelfthC??) was also a woman, and ordained, but by then ordainerd women were allowede only to preach to other women in Holy orders... there was adeliberate and definite move towards male dominance after the third century, possibly to counter the influence of certain Mystery religions which were threatening the supremacy of Christianity... hence the brutal suppression of Mithraism, and Constantine the Greats (successful) attempt to join his religion the cult of Sol Invictus) with that of his wife (Christianity...) also the rise of the cult of Mary, which threatened the pockets of orthodox Catholics was instrumental in the denigration of the role of the woman in the church... The magdalene was also possibly a priestess of one of the many "Mysteries" around at the time of jesus, some of whom were engaged in ritual sex, just as in certain Hindu cults... whether she was or not, a predominantly Jewish Nazarene congregation(The original Christians' name for themselves) would certainly have levelled accusations of prostitution at her...
There has recently been some media coverage regarding this in Australia. While on a whole it would appear the Church is not open to publicly supporting the ordination of women, the local authorities, the Bishop councils or what ever they are called, can choose to permit it. There are about 280 Anglican women priests in Australia, but they are unable to advance to any higher rank, and there are some European nations that have very small numbers of women being ordained in the Catholic church. It is a start.
Yeah, but most of the rest of the Bible is pretty damn sexist... Especially the Old Testament. In Genesis, it says women were "punished" with the pains of childbirth for Eve eating the magic apple. And in Leviticus (this isn't as bad as the thing about Eve, but still interesting), it lists all the different crimes, all of which are from the point of view of a man. Like all the sexual offenses say "you would defile yourself" or some other male that the female you slept with belonged to.
Well, it was a patriarchal society. It doesn't say women are worse than men, it just acknowledges that men were (officially at least) in charge. Also, there is a bit in Proverbs called The Wife of Noble Character, she sounds infinitely more... er... autonomous than what a good classical Greek, Roman or even Victorian woman was supposed to be.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Yeah, but most of the rest of the Bible is pretty damn sexist... Especially the Old Testament. In Genesis, it says women were "punished" with the pains of childbirth for Eve eating the magic apple.
And Adam was cursed with spending the rest of his life doing hard labor, and the snake was punished to crawl on its belly. Everybody involved got slapped down one way or the other; I don't see anything sexist about it.
And also back in the time appraoching the first Crusade, women had a great deal of power over the Church. There is an Urban legand in history that a female may have managed to become pope through treachurous means, many Bishops and priests were appearently under the influence of there mistresses who blackmailed them, and other Popes where manipulated by their mothers. All rather sexist, but a contributing factor perhaps.