Originally posted by Beyonder
Yeah, like how his force field held up against Hulk right? Or how Nimrod kicked his ass around and knocked his helmet right off? Juggy FREAKED THE HELL OUT and stated in fear that that beam almost hit him.
Juggernaut never used his forcefield in any of his fights against the hulk, nor did he use it against nimrod.
It was also stated in later issue that juggernaut forgot he had the forcefield to use against nimrod.
That counters your argument.
no...Doom created Ultron's beam and Doom said it could disintigrate Thor in a millisecond...in fact when he blasted Thor he teleported and Doom assumed he just got disintigrated...there is no evidence Jugs forcefield would do anything to Doom's disintigrator, Doom said it was a device that destroys the orbit of subatomic particles and disintigrator was a simple word for it...there is no evidence Jugs forcefield would protect him from Nimrod either, or that Nimrod could not find a way to neutralize the forcefield, all we know is that Nimrod took his ass out...Id like to see where the writer said anything as garbage as Jugs forgot...if Jugs forgets his only defense to deadly weaponry then he is an idiot in a fight and it doesnt matter how many tools he has, he will always lose cuz he's an idiot
That may be true Wynndar, but there's also no prove that Juggernaut's forcefield wouldn't protect him from it, so that issue's up in the air. And it might difficult for Ultron to find a scientific or technological means of neutralizing a forcefield of mystical nature, unless it's been done before. And Evangel, was Juggernaut's forcefield actually up when Thor blasted him, cause I don't remember them saying anything about it?
And JugFan, just make a damn Destroyer thread already and be done with it, lol.
well thats a good point about no proof that the field wouldnt defend Ultron's beam...but it is possible
a) he used it and it didnt work against Nimrod.
b) he couldnt use it against Nimrod
c) like evangel says, he forgot about it and he is an idiot and a horrible fighter, strategist
regardless, all these things has convinced me that Ultron and Jugs would be a good match...I dont want to be partial to either one of them. Hulk has damaged Ultron before, thus I think it is possible for Jugs to MAYBE muster enough strength to do the same; Im still of the "Hulk is stronger than Jugs" opinion. Jugs and Ultron are both really durable, Jugs is inexhaustable unless he gets his ass kicked. Ultron runs on a nuclear reactor...they both have Thor/Hercules type endurance. Ultron is the better strategist for sure though.
About Destroyer...maybe there should be another thread..but u have to make sure u define who is control of the Destroyers armor.
Why does everyone insist that juggernaut is near Hulk strength. It's true that Hulk is rated 7 and Juggs is rated 6, but people should note that these numbers rise in an exponential fashion. Juggernaut is near the half to the bottom of his 6 rating while Hulk is near the very top of his 7. When Hulk "hurt" ultron he was at the peak of his power. Ultron has also survived a combined blast of all the JLA's powers. There's no way that Jugs could hurt Ultron, and in return there's no means that Ultron wouldn't try to destroy Juggs. Ultron wins this one