Seriously though, trying to approach this in a scientific way, if you can stand up under a mountain, i seriously doubt there's any difference on wether it's rubble or solid. And if you want to take more into consideration, a mountain being lifted by a center should crumble all about itself. I'm just not seeing the difference here. I once read a comic where hulk was supposedly pushed to his limits lifting some ridiculous (this may be the same reference) rock so the rest of the heros could escape. If he can stand up under the whole of the weight being united, he wouldn't need to stand under that much weight being in rubble form.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Seriously though, trying to approach this in a scientific way, if you can stand up under a mountain, i seriously doubt there's any difference on wether it's rubble or solid. And if you want to take more into consideration, a mountain being lifted by a center should crumble all about itself. I'm just not seeing the difference here. I once read a comic where hulk was supposedly pushed to his limits lifting some ridiculous (this may be the same reference) rock so the rest of the heros could escape. If he can stand up under the whole of the weight being united, he wouldn't need to stand under that much weight being in rubble form.
well, try to think about this....... iron man blasted out a pocket as a mountain was being dropped on the heroes in the "secret wars" series. when the mountain fell, hulk braced what was directly over them so it didnt cave in...... into the pocket so it didnt kill them. he didnt support the weight of the whole mountain.
now scenario 2. break that mountain up into millions of pieces. could hulk have caught it?? or could hulk have stopped it from caving in on them??? no. he wouldnt have had any leverage to catch several pieces. he would have been crushed or taken a VERY long time to dig out. you cant push all those pieces at once.
ok, i'm still seeing all this rubble in effect actin as one. A more realistic example (than me being under a car) would be cardboardboxes piled on top of eachother, you lift the bottom ones the top ones have nowhere else to go but up (at least for a cave in type effect.) Yeah there's probably no where for you to go after there's too much off to the sides though. On the other hand, years? I hate to do this but; if jugs can break dimensional barriers due to physical strength what's a mountain of rubble?
No i have not read that story arc. I understand that basically every character has had changes in there power. I have never seen Juggernauts "true potential." It is my understanding that his strenght, and strength alone, cannot reach that of the Hulk's or Thor's and is actually beneath She hulk's amongst others such as Hercules, Ulik, Mister Hyde.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
No i have not read that story arc. I understand that basically every character has had changes in there power. I have never seen Juggernauts "true potential." It is my understanding that his strenght, and strength alone, cannot reach that of the Hulk's or Thor's and is actually beneath She hulk's amongst others such as Hercules, Ulik, Mister Hyde.
where do you get your information from??? the imposternaut could beat up she-hulk....
thor has never physically overwhelmed juggernaut either. do you read these comics??? if you read hulk/juggernauts first encounter they describe hulk as "being on the virge of insanity" with rage. yet he wasnt stronger than juggernaut....... hulk had been contained in a cell built by hulkbusters and was raging for nearly 2 days pounding on the walls with no strain put on them. yet when they teleported hulk away and juggernaut materialized...... he hit those same walls and they began to stress outwards as if they were going to burst. where as hulks punchs had no visual effect on them just moments before.
so again, where do you get your information from?
i don't know who the imposternaut is, i can only assume he's jugs imposter. It doesn't matter that none of the stated have never overwhelmed juggs. that's the nature of jugs power. Put 'em in a weight lifting contest, Thor will win every time, as will Hulk and even She-Hulk. I don't remember where i get my information from. I own some 1.500 comic. About 30% of them are marvel and my collection is somewhat sporatic. I stopped reading most marvel titles some time ago, so if my information is outdated i can understand. But totally inaccurate is absurd.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
i don't know who the imposternaut is, i can only assume he's jugs imposter.
sadly its juggernaut....... the one that is depowered and appearing in the x-men (as part of the team).
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It doesn't matter that none of the stated have never overwhelmed juggs. that's the nature of jugs power. Put 'em in a weight lifting contest, Thor will win every time, as will Hulk and even She-Hulk.
1 she hulk isnt even as close to being in the same strength class. where the hell did you get that from??? also, does hulk send thor hurtling across the sky with a backhand?? does hulk exhibit that kind of strength (yes that is a feat of physical strength also). does hulk hit hard enough to drop thing in 3 consecutive blows????? these are the only thing that you have to compare is punching power, and juggernaut is just as strong if not stronger than all the rest. his upper limits are not known and it is a well known fact that hulks base strength starts at 100 tons........ so who is stronger?? atleast initially?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I don't remember where i get my information from. I own some 1.500 comic. About 30% of them are marvel and my collection is somewhat sporatic.
this would explain atleast some of it...... to get the whole story you usually have to collect story arcs/mini series. juggernaut is a very worthy opponent in strength to hulk. even marvel directly compare them by name everywhere you go as the 2 strongest beings on the planet. so how is she hulk and thor in with these 2???
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I stopped reading most marvel titles some time ago, so if my information is outdated i can understand. But totally inaccurate is absurd.
i'd say that its pretty inaccurate considering marvel states that hulk and juggernaut rival each other as earths 2 strongest characters. so why do you insist on including thor (which is still debatable) and she hulk (70 ton range) which is completely absurd........
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
and you know his forcefield can be broken because..... wait i have the answer, its pure speculation on your part. glad we could clear that one up 😉
Probably because Thor did it. Not much speculation on that. Besides, what good is his forcefield when people manage to defeat him in spite of it?
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
of coarse, now you are running on the "stupid writing" which is strictly your opinion. cant you come up with anything better than that??? when has thor or hulk ever proven stronger than juggernaut??? come on thats your OPINION too.even if you dont think juggernaut is stronger than hulk it should be quite obvious he is stronger than thor...... thor always gets beat up on (except that one out of the multiple fights they have been in) in which he depowers juggernaut.
Aside from the recent Thor comic that you mentioned which I haven't read, they only fought physically twice. Thor won 1 and Juggs won 1. The #412 was basically a physical draw. Juggernaut is not stronger than Thor. He is comparable, but not stronger. As for the mountain, yeah I'd say Juggernaut is capable of holding up a mountain, depending on the size. Obviously we're not talking about Everest here.
For the 10th time...no wait, 11th, Thor HAS physically overwhelmed Juggernaut. We talked about this. He just did. Thor is either superior to or equal in strength to Juggernaut. Jugs has the ability to punch his way through dimensional barriers, but that is not so much an act of raw strength as his mystical powers. Surely you must concede that Hulk has the capability of superior strength than Juggernaut, everyone in the Marvel Universe has said nobody compares with Hulk at his highest level, but he doesn't punch his way through dimensional barriers. You can't do that no matter how physically strong you are; that's a magical feat.
As for She-Hulk, you're right that she doesn't belong among the others. She's nowhere close to their level.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hulk punch through dimensions at some point? Just a question.
Okay, Hulk has the potential to be stronger that Juggernaut, but, that still has yet to be shown. In their fights, they're pretty much equals in physical power, even with Hulk raging. So until they show an issue where Hulk totally gets to the point that he overpowers Juggernaut, I'd say that their strength very much rivals each others, no matter what y'all may think. And like it's been said, Juggernaut's strength limit is still unknown, so there's no saying just how far Hulk would have to go before he's finally stronger than Juggernaut.
And Thor didn't break Juggernaut's shield, he blocked Juggernaut's power, breaking the shield would've been something different all together. And I would say that in their fights, Juggernaut was stronger than Thor (except for the power drain of course). Thor's strong as hell, and definitely the better fighter, but Juggernaut's just over him in physical power. And unless you're talking about when Thor cut his power from him, when did he overwhelm Juggernaut physically? Besides the godforce?
And to stay on topic, unless Ultron can pull a Nimrod or something like that, then I think Juggernaut's just as capable of bending adamantium as Hulk, just my opinion though. Maybe if he had prep time, he has a chance, but I don't see it though.
Hulk and Juggernaut are not praised as Hulk's strongest characters...When marvel or anyone for that matter describe Hulk, they do not mention "he's about as strng as Juggernaut". That is a device they use when mentioning Jugs...like in x-men or on the back of comic cards, they say he is comparable to The Hulk in strength. It does not make him his equal. From the perspective of Comics, Hulk is the strongest...he has deomstrated again and again he has no equal. Jugs has demonstrated that he is one of the most resistant to injury...he is very strong...he displays "unstoppable" characteristics. He is not as strong as Hulk. Hulk is the strongest which is plain to see...we dont need to go into that right now. Thor has lifted Jorumungad, a serpent that encircled the enrtire Earth...Hercules has held up the entire island of Manhattan...Jugs is highly resistant to injury and unstoppable like i said, but he has never demonstrated the pure strength of these three...I will admit he is really strong, but there is no evidence in comics he is the strongest on the planet.
Maybe, he's still strong enough to give Thor and Hulk hell, invulnerable or not. He hasn't been shown to do many of the feats that the ones you mentioned have, but then again they've never put him in those situations. He's the villain, they don't put him against the odds like the rest, he usually IS the odds. And I never said their strength is equal, I meremly said that they rival each other in that respect. Hulk may have shown more feats of raw strength, but that's never been the case in his fights with Juggernaut (minus War). They've so far been shown to match each other blow-for-blow. Like I said, I agree that Hulk has the potential to overpower Juggernaut, but it would never be easy for him to though, cause Juggernaut has the potential to go well passed the level of power that has been shown. That's a big hurdle for Hulk to jump, no doubt that he's capable, but still a big hurdle. And I would still put Juggernaut up there with Hulk, Thor, Hercules, and most others based on how he handled himself with the first two before.
Nah, I think the problem here is that Juggs goes to to toes with all these superheavy weights because of his durability. Yes he has enough strength to harm them, but all these guys he's fighting are a step above him when it comes to strength. Let's try to put it like this Hulk strength 10, durability 8. Juggs strenght 8, durability 10. This makes it pretty even. Now, what happens when Hulk turns his strenght dial up to 11? Ultron's durabily i'd have to put at 11. In "acts of vengeance" a weakend Thor sends jugs flying back with an uppercut during his forward movement. On the other hand, Ultron has stood up to the strongest attacks of the Avengers combined. Juggernaut could not ding Ultron. He's not as strong as Hulk or Thor his durability just makes him a worthy opponent. Eventually Ultron finds a way.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
For the 10th time...no wait, 11th, Thor HAS physically overwhelmed Juggernaut.
he depowered him.......but when he engages physically he gets beat
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
We talked about this. He just did. Thor is either superior to or equal in strength to Juggernaut.
he is very strong no doubt. but generally juggernaut is stronger. a backhand sends thor flying across the sky?
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Jugs has the ability to punch his way through dimensional barriers, but that is not so much an act of raw strength as his mystical powers.
me and wynndar were just discussing this. its open to interpretation also
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Surely you must concede that Hulk has the capability of superior strength than Juggernaut,
yes, i've said it before and i'll say it again. hulk has the potential to be stronger.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
everyone in the Marvel Universe has said nobody compares with Hulk at his highest level,
but this means squat... hulk was "on the virge of insanity" and raging for nearly 2 days but was no stronger than juggernaut. explain that please.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
but he doesn't punch his way through dimensional barriers. You can't do that no matter how physically strong you are; that's a magical feat.
but juggernauts powers manifest physically anyway. he doesnt explore any other of his powers...... except unstoppability. again that applies to his whole body yet his fists were what was doing the barrier smashing.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
As for She-Hulk, you're right that she doesn't belong among the others. She's nowhere close to their level.
i know i'm right
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