Originally posted by Master-Borg
Captain America is stronger, more experienced, and a better fighterhis indestructible shield renders logan's claws useless
he has as much stamina to keep up with Logan
slight majority for Capt
Cap's not stronger, WAY not as experienced, and he's not a better fighter.
He has one shield to block two sets of claws, so.. not useless.
He has stamina but unlike Wolverine his wounds will compound upon him as the fight continues, Wolvie's won't.
You fail.
Originally posted by Master-BorgWhy would you embarrass yourself by posting something so completely backwards and wrong?
Captain America is stronger, more experienced, and a better fighterhis indestructible shield renders logan's claws useless
he has as much stamina to keep up with Logan
slight majority for Capt
Originally posted by jinzin
Cap's not stronger, WAY not as experienced, and he's not a better fighter.He has one shield to block two sets of claws, so.. not useless.
He has stamina but unlike Wolverine his wounds will compound upon him as the fight continues, Wolvie's won't.
You fail.
Cap is better at MA and you damn well know it. Wolverine wins via HF and adamantuim.
Originally posted by jks
Why would you embarrass yourself by posting something so completely backwards and wrong?
Yeah, this is what I mean. People just argue because they want to argue against a Logan fanboy, simply for the kicks and because they intend to antagonise. This is why half of their points are steaming shit.
Originally posted by jinzinActually there pretty evenly matched in experiance! Caps been around the block.
Cap's not stronger, WAY not as experienced, and he's not a better fighter.He has one shield to block two sets of claws, so.. not useless.
He has stamina but unlike Wolverine his wounds will compound upon him as the fight continues, Wolvie's won't.
You fail.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cap is better at MA and you damn well know it. Wolverine wins via HF and adamantuim.
Srank has aready gone over this with you multiple times.
No he's not better, and there's nothing to prove that he is.
At the very LEAST Logans his sheer equal in h2h combat...
But all I'm really gonna say is this, Cap couldn't take Logan who had a fritzed out healing factor, didn't want to fight, just got done fighting Nuke, and he even had multiple cheap shots.
Originally posted by Hitman911
Actually there pretty evenly matched in experiance! Caps been around the block.
Cap's experienced, no doubt about it, but Wolverine's experience and training actually overshadows Steve's. Wolverine's been part of Government, Army, and Secret Orginizations all of which have offered a more varied amount of experiences as opposed to steve who's a soldier and a superhero.
It's like how Cap recognized there were things that Bucky could do he couldn't because Bucky was trained to do so.
Originally posted by jinzin
Srank has aready gone over this with you multiple times.
Stop dragging other people into our debates.
Originally posted by jinzin
No he's not better, and there's nothing to prove that he is.
I dunno better H2H showings? For starters hopw many time has Cap been shot. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
At the very LEAST Logans his sheer equal in h2h combat...
Oh I see , earlier on you said they were equals so your fanboyism has been upgraded and now Wolverine is better.
Originally posted by jinzin
But all I'm really gonna say is this, Cap couldn't take Logan who had a fritzed out healing factor, didn't want to fight, just got done fighting Nuke, and he even had multiple cheap shots.
Thats a low showing and you know it. Cap is better at tactics and uses his brains better in combat but somehow Wolverine gets to beat Cap at his strong point in a weakened state. Not impossible but unlikley.
Originally posted by jinzinCap's experienced, no doubt about it, but Wolverine's experience and training actually overshadows Steve's. Wolverine's been part of Government, Army, and Secret Orginizations all of which have offered a more varied amount of experiences as opposed to steve who's a soldier and a superhero.
It's like how Cap recognized there were things that Bucky could do he couldn't because Bucky was trained to do so.
Yeah and Thor has more experience than Wolverine and Cap combined. 😄
for me a test of skills would be:
Logan and Cap fight without shield or claws...and I think Cap comes out on top in terms of fighting...obviously logan's HF will keep him in there longer and maybe even on top, but Cap would be the better fighter (logan simply can take a whole shitload more punishment)
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop dragging other people into our debates.I dunno better H2H showings? For starters hopw many time has Cap been shot. 😐
Oh I see , earlier on you said they were equals so your fanboyism has been upgraded and now Wolverine is better.
Thats a low showing and you know it. Cap is better at tactics and uses his brains better in combat but somehow Wolverine gets to beat Cap at his strong point in a weakened state. Not impossible but unlikley.
Yeah and Thor has more experience than Wolverine and Cap combined. 😄
I can't help it when you keep bringing up debates people already owned you in where you couldn't find a suitable refutable point.
Cap's actually been shot a few times, stabbed too. But if we're bringing up Wolverine being shot are we going to ignore that he doesn't try to dodge most of them time that happens?
Hell, are we going to ignore that bullet dodging is not necessarily reflective of h2h fighting skill? I mean, if that WERE the case, Spiderman'd be owning Cap wouldn't he?
Seriously, do you even read the crap you write half the time "I dunno better H2H showings? For starters hopw many time has Cap been shot." Do you not see the disconnect in that sentence? doh
Again, jumping the gun like the deranged degenerate you are. I didn't say that Logan was>>>> Cap did I? I said that he's at the very least Cap's sheer equal that's it, I've always maintained that they're preactically the same when it comes to fighting, infact I think I even said that not two pages ago. But if you want to talk about facts.
Zaran fought Wolverine to beat someone better than Cap.
Mr. X thinks Wolverine's the best challenge he could find, opposed to Cap who he didn't even care about.
Wolverine's actually been stated in a rank of fighting higher than Cap's two or three times.
And again in Marvel's overpower series.
Wolverine's beaten Shang Chi easily, Cap's never beat anyone on his level near as easily.
Wolverine beat Shogun and Lazear at the same time easily, Shogun was actually Wolverine, Cap couldn't beat Wolverine with multiple advantages.
So anyone saying that Wolverine's not as good a fighter as Cap is full of it. He's again, at the least Cap's equal.
It's not a low showing, it proves everything that's already a fact about Wolverine, that he's as good a fighter, that he's at least tactically as cunning when it comes to 1on1 h2h, and that his experience is more versatile than Cap's so he'd be keen on things that Cap wouldn't. Those aren't opinions they're facts. Cap WAS fighting smart, Wolverine even comments on it, just because he didn't win it's some sort of low showing? Garbage.
What does that last part have to do with anything, this isn't about Thor. 🤨
Originally posted by Master-Borg
for me a test of skills would be:Logan and Cap fight without shield or claws...and I think Cap comes out on top in terms of fighting...obviously logan's HF will keep him in there longer and maybe even on top, but Cap would be the better fighter (logan simply can take a whole shitload more punishment)
Originally posted by jinzin
I can't help it when you keep bringing up debates people already owned you in where you couldn't find a suitable refutable point.
Cap's actually been shot a few times, stabbed too. But if we're bringing up Wolverine being shot are we going to ignore that he doesn't try to dodge most of them time that happens?
What about the numerous times he tried to dodge but still got shot.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hell, are we going to ignore that bullet dodging is not necessarily reflective of h2h fighting skill? I mean, if that WERE the case, Spiderman'd be owning Cap wouldn't he?
The difference is that Cap and Wolverine ability to dodge bullets comes from training and not just enhancements.
Originally posted by jinzin
Seriously, do you even read the crap you write half the time "I dunno better H2H showings? For starters hopw many time has Cap been shot." Do you not see the disconnect in that sentence? dohAgain, jumping the gun like the deranged degenerate you are. I didn't say that Logan was>>>> Cap did I? I said that he's at the very least Cap's sheer equal that's it, I've always maintained that they're preactically the same when it comes to fighting, infact I think I even said that not two pages ago. But if you want to talk about facts.
Its not my fault you cant count to two. *shrug* Hey I wouldnt run my mouth if I were in your position but oh well.
Originally posted by jinzin
Zaran fought Wolverine to beat someone better than Cap.
Er and what words did he use. Wolverine was better at H2H or more dangerous? HF adamntuim claws.
Originally posted by jinzin
Mr. X thinks Wolverine's the best challenge he could find, opposed to Cap who he didn't even care about.
First of all from what I can remember I dont remember MR X actually saying that Wolverine was better skillwise. I think he mentioned stuff like his killer instinct etc.
Secondly thats contradicted by what Wolverine himself said about Captain Americas skill in that very same issue. 😄
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's actually been stated in a rank of fighting higher than Cap's two or three times.
Yeah and somebody from this forum actually spoke to marvel and they said just because somebody has a highier ranking in MA doesnt actually make them better. For example somebody could know less but apply it better than somebody who knows more.
Originally posted by jinzin
And again in Marvel's overpower series.
Wolverine's beaten Shang Chi easily, Cap's never beat anyone on his level near as easily.
Wolverine beat Shogun and Lazear at the same time easily, Shogun
And got punked by Molly Hayes and MK evenhtough he got him by suprise and was getting stalemated by an injured Punisher. Hell Cap did better against Pun did than Wolverine and he was weakened...you got nothing.
Originally posted by jinzin
was actually Wolverine, Cap couldn't beat Wolverine with multiple advantages.
The other time he could beat him was due to HF and adamantuim. The other times was contradictory to how a fight should go between Wolverine and Cap.
Originally posted by jinzinSo anyone saying that Wolverine's not as good a fighter as Cap is full of it. He's again, at the least Cap's equal.
It's not a low showing, it proves everything that's already a fact about Wolverine, that he's as good a fighter, that he's at least tactically as cunning when it comes to 1on1 h2h, and that his experience is more versatile than Cap's so he'd be keen on things that Cap wouldn't. Those aren't opinions they're facts. Cap WAS fighting smart, Wolverine even comments on it, just because he didn't win it's some sort of low showing? Garbage.
No becauise you know it and I know it Cap has better skills showings than Wolverine. Hell when he KO somebody with superhuman durabiltiy with one finger while dying come back and talk to me. When Wolverine can break out restraints made for shapeshifters without using his powers comeback and talk to me, sorry Cap is significantly more intelligent than Wolverine and Wolverine should not be outthinking him in general.
Originally posted by jinzin
What does that last part have to do with anything, this isn't about Thor. 🤨
Well you're supposed to be intelligent you figure it out.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHell when he KO somebody with superhuman durabiltiy with one finger while dying come back and talk to me.
....................you don't even need top tier skill for that feat.
It was handed to him on a silver platter.
The guy put him right next to a nerve clust..............and the guy 30 feat tall you have to be an idiot to miss it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
....................you don't even need top tier skill for that feat.It was handed to him on a silver platter.
The guy put him right next to a nerve clust..............and the guy 30 feat tall you have to be an idiot to miss it.
Bro the nerve cluster has superhuman durability....AND....Cap was very weak and he was dying and he didnt pucnh it he used his one finger. He dindt have superhuman strength let alone average strength.
The guy was so weak after he punched Yellowjacket in the face he was clutching his hand in pain.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro the nerve cluster has superhuman durability
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...AND....Cap was very weak and he was dying and he didnt pucnh it he used his one finger. He dindt have superhuman strength let alone average strength.
If he did not have the strength it would not have worked period.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...The guy was so weak after he punched Yellowjacket in the face he was clutching his hand in pain.
............and? what does this have to do with him hitting a pressure point that 30 times it normal sizes which any idiot could do
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That would requite strength and he not that durable. His durability rather pathetic..............
Giant Man has superhuman durability, eventhough it was a weak point you would still need alot of strength to affect it.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
that does not change any thing. he only hitting a pressure point.If he did not have the strength it would not have worked period.
I already told you he hurt his hand punching somebody with normal durability....
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Originally posted by Battlehammer............and? what does this have to do with him hitting a pressure point that 30 times it normal sizes which any idiot could do
You want mt to explain again or do you want to read my post again?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Giant Man has superhuman durability, eventhough it was a weak point you would still need alot of strength to affect it.
You need little to no strength to hit a nerve cluster on one of them. There weakness are far bigger.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I already told you he hurt his hand punching somebody with normal durability.....
.You want mt to explain again or do you want to read my post again?
I read it but it rather irrelevent.
They picked capt up and put him right next to a huge never cluster and he hit it.
There is nothing in that feat that a 3rd tier could not accomplish.
as taskmaster has said "you have to been an idiot to miss"