Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No you don't. There not even that durable. For starters there not even stabb proof.

You need little to no strength to hit a nerve cluster on one of them. There weakness are far bigger.

PROVE IT!
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Originally posted by Battlehammer

I read it but it rather irrelevent.

They picked capt up and put him right next to a huge never cluster and he hit it.

There is nothing in that feat that a 3rd tier could not accomplish.

as taskmaster has said "you have to been an idiot to miss"

HE USED HIS SHIELD NOT ONE FINGER

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
PROVE IT!
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HE USED HIS SHIELD NOT ONE FINGER

I don't need to prove it. Your the one assuming some one massivly meta humanly durable jsut becuases there big.

with one throw............and his shield not capt shield it made of normal metal...........and it took all three out............

also what your arguement again. That sinces capt did it while he body was weak that suposes to make it more impressive?

I mean it not like he did any work they put him inches away from nerve cluster likly bigger then his body.

fighting ability- pretty even here cept cap wouldnt b as seasoned a fighter as wolvie cuz he was fozen
weapons-both have great weapons that r pretty much indestructable
durability-the captain got shot and died if you shot wolverine he'd call you a tard and run u through
speed- equal id say
strength- i give this to wolvie remember healing factors equal superstrength the super serum would put em as equal but wolvie also has adamantium in his bones so even in moves were he dont use his claws (knees, elbows headbutts) he can do extra damage
wolvie wins it

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What about the numerous times he tried to dodge but still got shot.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The difference is that Cap and Wolverine ability to dodge bullets comes from training and not just enhancements.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not my fault you cant count to two. *shrug* Hey I wouldnt run my mouth if I were in your position but oh well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er and what words did he use. Wolverine was better at H2H or more dangerous? HF adamntuim claws.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
First of all from what I can remember I dont remember MR X actually saying that Wolverine was better skillwise. I think he mentioned stuff like his killer instinct etc.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Secondly thats contradicted by what Wolverine himself said about Captain Americas skill in that very same issue. 😄

Just because Wolverine gives credit to Captain America's skill means he thinks Captain America is better than him? I guess if you're a rampant fanboy maybe. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and somebody from this forum actually spoke to marvel and they said just because somebody has a highier ranking in MA doesnt actually make them better. For example somebody could know less but apply it better than somebody who knows more.

I see, so now third hand knowledge takes precedence over facts?
Again, if your a fanboy I guess they would.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
And got punked by Molly Hayes and MK evenhtough he got him by suprise and was getting stalemated by an injured Punisher. Hell Cap did better against Pun did than Wolverine and he was weakened...you got nothing.

But all these are just red herrings which ignore the argument at hand, has Cap done well against Wolverine?

NO.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The other time he could beat him was due to HF and adamantuim. The other times was contradictory to how a fight should go between Wolverine and Cap.

The others, beating his doppleganger in Infinity War, Wolverine didn't have to resort to HF. When he killed CA in the inferno what if, Cap didn't hit him once.
The origins fight... it's only contradictory to how you WANT a fight between them to go down, which means nothing coming from a fanboy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No becauise you know it and I know it Cap has better skills showings than Wolverine. Hell when he KO somebody with superhuman durabiltiy with one finger while dying come back and talk to me. When Wolverine can break out restraints made for shapeshifters without using his powers comeback and talk to me, sorry Cap is significantly more intelligent than Wolverine and Wolverine should not be outthinking him in general.

He has more consistent skill showings, better? No.. he doesn't have showings that put him at levels above Wolverine in skill.

The first is a pressure point, Wolverine already knows plenty of them he would have used one on rogue the first time they met had the fight continued.
The second is a sign of intelligence not h2h fighting skill.

And, it's not as though Wolverine lacks either. Wolverine knew more about the inner workings of the government than Cap, considering Cap's a US soldier and Wolverine's an agent, spy, criminal, soldier, ninja, and double agent for multiple secret orginizations all over the world it's no stretch to think he'd know what was going on and Cap wouldn't.
Unless, you're a Cap fanboy, and you are.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well you're supposed to be intelligent you figure it out.

Originally posted by dat_boi
fighting ability- pretty even here cept cap wouldnt b as seasoned a fighter as wolvie cuz he was fozen
weapons-both have great weapons that r pretty much indestructable
durability-the captain got shot and died if you shot wolverine he'd call you a tard and run u through
speed- equal id say
strength- i give this to wolvie remember healing factors equal superstrength the super serum would put em as equal but wolvie also has adamantium in his bones so even in moves were he dont use his claws (knees, elbows headbutts) he can do extra damage
wolvie wins it

wolverine does win

his HF is pretty much impossible to overcome by most streetlevelers

this is a easy one to predict.

wolverine ftw.

they are both strong, cap is prolly stronger but he cant heal or dish out the dmg. Even if cap does do dmg wolverine will heal up.

Blunt punches from cap will bruise up wolverine.

adamantium claws from wolverine will kill the cap..

cap is more on the defensive then the offensive in this fight.

Logan wins. Unless we give Cap another weapon to counter the claws. Like a sword or something.

Originally posted by jinzin
Such as?

given that one of the reasons he gives for dodging bullets is that he "sees" faster you're really in no place to say that at all are you.

If you're going to try to insult somebody at least try to have your insult make sense.
🙄

He said better. One would assume that he was talking about fight since, yknow, that's what he was talking about.
And uh.. of course claws are to be taken into account yknow, like Captain America's shield.

you think alot of things.
Mr. X said he acknowledged Wolverine as the best there is, and then went on to say that Captain America meant nothing to him.

Just because Wolverine gives credit to Captain America's skill means he thinks Captain America is better than him? I guess if you're a rampant fanboy maybe. 😬

I see, so now third hand knowledge takes precedence over facts?
Again, if your a fanboy I guess they would.

Wolverine's beat Punisher in one hit, and he completely toyed with Punisher another time, and the time you're reffering to Punisher admitted he was get steamrolled by Wolverine and that he was just getting lucky. And... ENNNNNNISSSSS! Funny how you just ignore that. Molly Hayes, superpowers cap doesn't have, and could have easily sent Cap out the door as Wolverine. MK flipped him over once.. big deal, Captain America's been beaten by Black Widow.

But all these are just red herrings which ignore the argument at hand, has Cap done well against Wolverine?

NO.

There werewolf fight maybe, but since Logan had the brain of a witless werewolf that reffered to cap's shield as "shiny thing" no one's about to argue that that was indicitive of Wolverine's skill.

The others, beating his doppleganger in Infinity War, Wolverine didn't have to resort to HF. When he killed CA in the inferno what if, Cap didn't hit him once.
The origins fight... it's only contradictory to how you WANT a fight between them to go down, which means nothing coming from a fanboy.

He has more consistent skill showings, better? No.. he doesn't have showings that put him at levels above Wolverine in skill.

The first is a pressure point, Wolverine already knows plenty of them he would have used one on rogue the first time they met had the fight continued.
The second is a sign of intelligence not h2h fighting skill.

And, it's not as though Wolverine lacks either. Wolverine knew more about the inner workings of the government than Cap, considering Cap's a US soldier and Wolverine's an agent, spy, criminal, soldier, ninja, and double agent for multiple secret orginizations all over the world it's no stretch to think he'd know what was going on and Cap wouldn't.
Unless, you're a Cap fanboy, and you are.

I already told you I'm not familiar with understanding nonsense. But then again, that's all you continue to spew out.

When Wolverine can hurt somebody as powerful as Korvac with his barehands comeback and talk to me. 😎

Horde.
Savage Hulk.

I like how you want to pretend to be smug about this debate.. but try this one on for size. When Cap has a legitimate win over current Wolverine come back and talk to me. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
Horde.
Savage Hulk.

I like how you want to pretend to be smug about this debate.. but try this one on for size. When Cap has a legitimate win over current Wolverine come back and talk to me. 🙄

1. Issue number for Horde. edit ive actually read that annual I dont remember Wolverine hurting Horde just him getting owned. Hell im not even sure if he was as powerful as Korvac. Korvac was a threat to the uiniverse dont think Horde was.
2. Savage Hulk isnt as powerful as Korvac, im pretty sure Wolverine probably used his claws.

Originally posted by jinzin

I like how you want to pretend to be smug about this debate.. but try this one on for size. When Cap has a legitimate win over current Wolverine come back and talk to me. 🙄

Spiderman has never beaten Cap in H2H either. I dont need to give an example if him beating Cap to prove he can.

So thats a no then? 😄

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So thats a no then? 😄

Desperate much PZ?

Long discussion, although what I would like to know is how someone like Captain America is supposed to bring down someone like Logan? You may have martial arts prowess up the wazoo (although it should be noted that Logan is a top tier in martial arts as well, it is just that for a long while many artists depicted him as a berseker who just raked and sliced with his claws in mindless rage .....but in reality he is a very good fighter) ....anyways, you may have martial arts ability, but how do you hurt a person who has a very effective healing factor?

I personally do not see how Captain America could do it.

Even if Steve hits Logan, Logan will be hardly affected.

However, if Logan gets Steve, Steve will have a griveous bodily wound.

Cap has his indestructible shield, and he is very good with it, but he has to CONSTANTLY ascertain that Logan does not stab/slash/rake him. 100% of the time.

Logan, on the other hand, really doesn't have to worry about any offensive move from Steve. And all he has to do is land ONE good hit/slash/stab. Just one.

I'd rather be Logan in this fight than Steve.

In as much as i grumble when I hear of Logan being matched up against top-tier characters like the Hulk, I am also VERY ill at ease at someone with Logan's abilities being beaten (h2h) by the likes of Captain America, Batman, Nightwing, etc.

Kicking/punching Logan would be an excercise in futility.

And to be honest, fighting h2h against Logan would be something that i would not recommend for most characters that do not have Kryptonian DNA, demon blood, a daddy who is a god, gamma nonsense flowing in their system, power cosmics and Oan rings, and other similar 'enhancements.' The guy may be overrated at times, but that doesn't mean he is a pussy cat.

Being within 5 feet of Logan is not a prudent course towards continued good health.

(Unless you spike the air with particles of that metal that can cancel out healing factors .....it is what comprises the coils of that mutant who can leach energy from people. The coils come out of his arms and can wrap around someone ....I cannot remember his name, or the name of that metal, but it can shut down healing factors. Maybe someone like Reed or Doom or Batman could synthesize particles of it in aerosol form and try to use it to shut down Logan's HF.......but even if that happened Logan is STILL a very very very good fighter)

Anyways, Cap has no answer to Logan, and he loses this fight.

AH...........The thread that never dies.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Issue number for Horde. edit ive actually read that annual I dont remember Wolverine hurting Horde just him getting owned. Hell im not even sure if he was as powerful as Korvac. Korvac was a threat to the uiniverse dont think Horde was.
2. Savage Hulk isnt as powerful as Korvac, im pretty sure Wolverine probably used his claws.

He did it with an adamantium headbutt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Spiderman has never beaten Cap in H2H either. I dont need to give an example if him beating Cap to prove he can.

Anyways, yes you do when there's already 4 different pieces of evidence that contradict the premise.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So thats a no then? 😄

No I suppose you don't.
🙄

I mean we have Wolverine beating him twice in 616, once while literally dumbed down to retarded levels, and another where Cap had several unfair advantages including Wolverine's sorely lacking healing factor.
One where Wolverine attacking Cap makes Cap second guess why he was antagonizing Logan in the first place.
And another where Wolverine beats down a robot with his strategy and skill whereas Cap failed one minute before that.
An example of Wolverine KOin Cap's doppleganger.
An example of Wolverine killing Cap as The Captain during an Inferno What IF.
And an example of Wolverine having taking Cap's arm and his leg in a fight during EOTS What If.

The only times Cap's ever even looked good next to Logan at all was once after Logan crashed a Blackbird and fought half the X-men in EOTS.
And once when Cap had the egyptian equivelant of Thor incinerate Logan after Logan already had Cap on his back.

And what's the best you can come up with.

Cap hurt Korvak so ha!

pffffft.. ridiculous.

Wolverine wins. All day long.

Originally posted by jinzin
Seriously, do you even read the crap you write half the time. 🤨

Originally posted by Creshosk
Desperate much PZ?

Originally posted by jinzin
If you're going to try to insult somebody at least try to have your insult make sense.
🙄

Wolverine wins.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Argument from silence much? This is a message board for people in different time zones, whom might also have other things to do like school or work. it was 4 am mountain time when jinzin posted. 4 hours later its 8 am when you posted. Him going to bed is not a "no".

Desperate much PZ?

I dont live In America and did not take account of the time. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Horde was a threat on the level of Pheonix going by what the story says.
Wolverine walked right up to him and yanked his crystal out of his head with his bare hand.

Scans? Im not taking your word for it.

Originally posted by jinzin

He did it with an adamantium headbutt.

Thats a bit like Cap using his shield. His skull is made of indestructible adamantuim so that helps. Sure he has adamantuim in his hands but thats a better example, I dunno examples like Koing Namor or stunning Prof Hulk with pressure points maybe.

Originally posted by jinzin

You mean wolverine right?

Anyways, yes you do when there's already 4 different pieces of evidence that contradict the premise.

Nah I mean exactly what I said Cap.

Originally posted by jinzin
A no to you having any examples of Cap taking down Wolverine?

No I suppose you don't.
🙄

I mean we have Wolverine beating him twice in 616, once while literally dumbed down to retarded levels, and another where Cap had several unfair advantages including Wolverine's sorely lacking healing factor.
One where Wolverine attacking Cap makes Cap second guess why he was antagonizing Logan in the first place.
And another where Wolverine beats down a robot with his strategy and skill whereas Cap failed one minute before that.
An example of Wolverine KOin Cap's doppleganger.
An example of Wolverine killing Cap as The Captain during an Inferno What IF.
And an example of Wolverine having taking Cap's arm and his leg in a fight during EOTS What If.

The only times Cap's ever even looked good next to Logan at all was once after Logan crashed a Blackbird and fought half the X-men in EOTS.
And once when Cap had the egyptian equivelant of Thor incinerate Logan after Logan already had Cap on his back.

And what's the best you can come up with.

Cap hurt Korvak so ha!

pffffft.. ridiculous.

Im arguing that Wolverine wins 6/10 so the fact that Wolverine has beaten Cap before dont mean a damn thing. Im just arguing that hes better at H2H obvoulsy Wolverine is more dangerous because of his HF and adamantuim.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Probably never. Pretty much always. Don't hold your breath.

Wolverine wins.

Learn to read and stop strawmanning im not arguing that Cap wins im arguing that Cap is better at H2H. Wolverine wins via adamantuim and HF not skill.