Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by inimalist
indirect speculation at best afaik

I'm not so sure. I'm basing that on fact that Wolverine tends to fight more sloppy ie he allows himself to get hit frequently and takes shots that other street levelers wouldn't. Angel also said in an issue of the X-men that sometimes Wolverine can be over-confident thats obvoulsy because he has an admantuim skeleton and a HF.

Baring that in mind it's not suprising you get some showings of DD dancing around Frank and showings of Punisher not having any problems hitting Wolverine. Logic dictates that Pun will have an easier time hitting Wolverine and thats just what happens.

cap can take a couple, but loga takes the heavy majority in a bunch of long-ass, very difficult fights.

HF is by far the biggest deciding factor in my mind. too much damage soak for logan.

8/10 or 7/10 to Wolverine is fine in my book.

the only chance I see for cap is using nerve strike like daredevil did to logan.

i think Wolvie will fight sloppy hence he'll lose is disingenuous and ignores many factors one of them is Logan knowing his enemy.. if he knows who he is fighting and what is at stake and has had previous history with the opponent he'll fight far differently than if it was some joe shmoe or some 1st time meta he has never met before till than.

Originally posted by King Castle
i think Wolvie will fight sloppy hence he'll lose is disingenuous and ignores many factors one of them is Logan knowing his enemy.. if he knows who he is fighting and what is at stake and has had previous history with the opponent he'll fight far differently if it was some joe shmoe or some 1st time meta he has never met before till than.

That happens sometimes.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not so sure. I'm basing that on fact that Wolverine tends to fight more sloppy ie he allows himself to get hit frequently and takes shots that other street levelers wouldn't. Angel also said in an issue of the X-men that sometimes Wolverine can be over-confident thats obvoulsy because he has an admantuim skeleton and a HF.

ok, even if that is true though, that only would mean wolverine doesn't always fight to the best of his abilities, not how skilled he would be in a fight against someone who would test him

also, as we agreed before, any skill advantage cap has is going to net him 1-2 victories at best, it is essentially moot

Originally posted by MrMind
the only chance I see for cap is using nerve strike like daredevil did to logan.

that is a hail merry attack sprinkled by heavy PIS thanks to garth ennis.

1st time that has ever worked on Logan contradicted his already established history abilities

Captain America can't take a single win from Wolverine with his healing factor working, and without his healing factor they split 50/50. 2/3 out of 10 wins for Cap while Wolverine's powers are working is absurd. Wolverien could sit on the beach for eight hours while Cap landed a string of unanswered blows to his head, and still win 10/10 in a forum fight...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America can't take a single win from Wolverine with his healing factor working, and without his healing factor they split 50/50. 2/3 out of 10 wins for Cap while Wolverine's powers are working is absurd. Wolverien could sit on the beach for eight hours while Cap landed a string of unanswered blows to his head, and still win 10/10 in a forum fight...

didn't steve's teenage son from an alternate future two-shot Wolverine?

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, even if that is true though,

It is, can't be arsed to get the quote its an issue where he gets Fed up by a bunch of werewolves. I did an edit but I think I made my point.

Originally posted by inimalist

that only would mean wolverine doesn't always fight to the best of his abilities, not how skilled he would be in a fight against someone who would test him

Not neccesarily even when Wolverine has wanted to evade Punishers gunfire hes still got hit. The problem is that its a habit, when you get used to allowing yourself to get hit you can't completely get rid of all old habits. However there are examples of Wolverine being highly skillful and agille when push comes to shove.

Originally posted by inimalist

also, as we agreed before, any skill advantage cap has is going to net him 1-2 victories at best, it is essentially moot

Fine my beef is simply I don't think Wolverine is as skilled or more skilled than Cap.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America can't take a single win from Wolverine with his healing factor working, and without his healing factor they split 50/50. 2/3 out of 10 wins for Cap while Wolverine's powers are working is absurd. Wolverien could sit on the beach for eight hours while Cap landed a string of unanswered blows to his head, and still win 10/10 in a forum fight...

aaaand your being completely 100% unreasonable again.

Originally posted by Deadline
aaaand your being completely 100% unreasonable again.

Captain America has class 2 strength, Wolverine routinely shrugs of blows from class 100 bricks. Do the Math.

Steve couldn't replicate the damage a single blow from the Hulk does to Wolverine if he was given 24 hours to do it.... and Wolverine can eat dozens of Hulk level blows with room for desert. Pressure points are document as being infective... so what does Cap do? Seriously? Punch him out? Really? With class 2 strength? Choke him out? A guy who held his breath for an hour underwater with his throat ripped out? Please provide one single rational explanation that would afford Captain America a single victory over Wolverine. Not only does Steve not win this fight, but he flat out 100% can not win this fight. There is literally nothing he can do to put Wolverine down.

Originally posted by MrMind
the only chance I see for cap is using nerve strike like daredevil did to logan.

Originally posted by King Castle
do you really think that is viable or that story has any serious credibility and was fair to the character representation?

Yes.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yes.

preformed by guys like DD, Bats or Cap.. 😬

Bentley, you been hanging out too much at CV and Ledger. it's starting to show 😘

Originally posted by King Castle
so you believe that Wolverine on average should go down to a throat jab just about every time in a forum fight?

preformed by guys like DD, Bats or Cap.. 😬

Bentley, you been hanging out too much at CV and Ledger. it's starting to show 😘

I think Wolverine can be koed by street levelers, I think Wolverine can hang out with class 100 strength. Those are the only reasonable things to believe considering all his showings.

The only time a pressure point arguably worked on Wolverine (I say arguably because it knocked him over one a single panel and then the story jumped forward, whether he got up the next panel or not is speculation), was in the same story arc Wolverine was conscious with all of his organs below his nipples completely incinerated. Having no kidneys, liver lungs, or stomach didn't put him down... it didn't even stop him from talking, a throat punch putting him down (if that happened) is PIS... the fact that both of these happened in the same story should give you some indication why reasonable posters don't reference it.

Pressure points are documented as being ineffective against Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America has class 2 strength, Wolverine routinely shrugs of blows from class 100 bricks. Do the Math.

Steve couldn't replicate the damage a single blow from the Hulk does to Wolverine if he was given 24 hours to do it.... and Wolverine can eat dozens of Hulk level blows with room for desert. Pressure points are document as being infective... so what does Cap do? Seriously? Punch him out? Really? With class 2 strength? Choke him out? A guy who held his breath for an hour underwater with his throat ripped out? Please provide one [b]single rational explanation that would afford Captain America a single victory over Wolverine. Not only does Steve not win this fight, but he flat out 100% can not win this fight. There is literally nothing he can do to put Wolverine down. [/B]

Absolutely being able to stun people that can take class 100 shots isn't proof.

I don't think he can take dozens of hulk punches, I think you might be exaggerating.

Originally posted by Bentley
I think Wolverine can be koed by street levelers, I think Wolverine can hang out with class 100 strength. Those are the only reasonable things to believe considering all his showings.

it is inconsistent if you look at his street leveler enemy rogue list that he has beaten, humiliated, killed that would make short work of guys like DD and yet when Wolvie was put in that story he gets dropped by DD?

come on.. 😬

DD isnt bringing anything wolvies own slight superhuman/peak rogue gallery doesnt have in spades, from skill, physical attributes, tech and even pressure point knowledge to precog..

Ennis run was nothing than some moron writer who should stay writing redneck/hillbilly lewd humor and stay away from the actual superhero genre

Wolverine beats Cap and Daredevil, but not because it's impossible to hurt him.

If Galactus gets crapped on by a writer there is a plot device to make it happen "Galactus was hungry", Wolverine doesn't have that commodity and I don't feel like inventing one for every inconsistence in comicbooks, they are afterall written by different people. Bottomline, I don't cherry pick feats nor in favor nor against a character.