Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Deadline
No your making stuff up. You're arguing that Koing a guy that can take class 100 shots is different from Koing a person with a heigthened HF, you need something to back that up instead of just inventing something and using it as a reason as to why its faulty logic.

According to that logic I could argue that Thor could have a harder time Koing Hercules than he would Wolverine just because Wolverine has a HF. Class 100 shots do the same god damn thing they do to people with high durbaility and healing factors, so theres not reason why a highly skilled punch shouldn't be able to do the same.

A healing factor and high end durability are two completely different power sets and they are not interchangeable. Looking at it from a numerical value high end durability will be assigned the value of 1000, where as Wolverine's healing factor is a 10. 10 might be lower than 1000... but after each attack it resets back to 10 regardless of the damage, where as the place holder of 1000 slow drops as damage accumulates. If you damage Herc, he is damaged for the remainder of the fight, if you damage Wolverine he gets better. It's harder to hurt Herc but once you do damage the damage sticks, it's easier to hurt Wolverine but his healing factor repairs the damage.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His power is to heal from damage, he can not be koed without over loading his healing factor...

I agree with alot of what you say, and im in agreement that Wolverine takes this, but a knck-out is not purely damage based. The healing factor doesn't stop Wolverines brain vibrating against the inside of his skull - causing temporary unconsciousness. A sufficient blow to cause that effect is well within Caps striking power range. - Theoretically that is. The argument stops once average showings are taken and weighed, the argument stops with this..

Wolverines average durability showings , put him way above Steve Rogers average damage output capability. Not just Steve, ANYONE in or about Steves "weight class". It is simply very very unlikely Steve, or any other high street or MA based meta is going to knock Wolverine out bEFORE getting tagged by the claws, injuured by adamantium laced blows, tired, worn down and the like.

What we do know, is that Gamora would tool both of these guys at once 😄

Originally posted by King Castle
facepalm2

whatever..

Wow may have missed your point for once,lets make a big song and dance about it.

Originally posted by King Castle

Herc also has a mild healing factor and depending on the type of attack, thor of course would have a harder time ko'ing Logan due to panel showings and long history of fights.

Please back this up with proof instead of just talking.

Originally posted by King Castle

you're insane if you think DD sould be able to ko, thor, herc with a while placed pressure blow...

Well he did it to Wolverine he's also dropped a class 80 Mr Hyde. It could happen.

the adamantium itself also absorbs much of the kinetic energy transfer which makes it even less likely to ko'him by slamming his brain into his skull and that time it was referenced as his weakness was by WWH and it didnt even ko logan...

also like to point out that Wolverine took multiple kill blows to the throat by shingen without a healing factor so the ennis story was completely inconsistent with how logan deals with pressure point blows to the throat,.

I think wolverine will win for sure. but I don't think it will be an easy fight, the fight will take time. cap has always held his own in the encounters with wolverine. I remember one fight in wolverine origins cap has broke logan's tendons to disarm wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by King Castle
the adamantium itself also absorbs much of the kinetic energy transfer which makes it even less likely to ko'him by slamming his brain into his skull and that time it was referenced as his weakness was by WWH and it didnt even ko logan...

also like to point out that Wolverine took multiple kill blows to the throat by shingen without a healing factor so the ennis story was completely inconsistent with how logan deals with pressure point blows to the throat,.

There are lots of other examples were has been Koed or been in big trouble.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A healing factor and high end durability are two completely different power sets and they are not interchangeable. Looking at it from a numerical value high end durability will be assigned the value of 1000, where as Wolverine's healing factor is a 10. 10 might be lower than 1000... but after each attack it resets back to 10 regardless of the damage, where as the place holder of 1000 slow drops as damage accumulates. If you damage Herc, he is damaged for the remainder of the fight, if you damage Wolverine he gets better. It's harder to hurt Herc but once you do damage the damage sticks, it's easier to hurt Wolverine but his healing factor repairs the damage.

I know they are different the point is Wolverines powerset doesn't make him harder to KO.

Originally posted by Juk3n
I agree with alot of what you say, and im in agreement that Wolverine takes this, but a knck-out is not purely damage based. The healing factor doesn't stop Wolverines brain vibrating against the inside of his skull - causing temporary unconsciousness. A sufficient blow to cause that effect is well within Caps striking power range. - Theoretically that is. The argument stops once average showings are taken and weighed, the argument stops with this..

Wolverines average durability showings , put him way above Steve Rogers average damage output capability. Not just Steve, ANYONE in or about Steves "weight class". It is simply very very unlikely Steve, or any other high street or MA based meta is going to knock Wolverine out bEFORE getting tagged by the claws, injuured by adamantium laced blows, tired, worn down and the like.

Is that the misunderstanding? Are people not aware that Wolverine's healing factor works on his brain and nervous system? His healing factor doesn't prevent brain trauma that would result in a ko, it heals the brain trauma after it has happened, removing the reason for him being koed. The reality is that being punched by someone as strong as Spider-man probably does kill Wolverine with each blow... for a fraction of a second before his healing factor kicks in there is likely massive organ failure and rupturing... but his healing factor does kick in so it's a moot point.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Is that the misunderstanding? Are people not aware that Wolverine's healing factor works on his brain and nervous system? His healing factor doesn't prevent brain trauma that would result in a ko, it heals the brain trauma after it has happened, removing the reason for him being koed. The reality is that being punched by someone as strong as Spider-man probably does kill Wolverine with each blow... for a fraction of a second before his healing factor kicks in there is likely massive organ failure and rupturing... but his healing factor does kick in so it's a moot point.

Originally posted by Deadline
I know they are different the point is Wolverines powerset doesn't make him harder to KO.

So the fact that Wolverine hardly ever gets koed is attributed to what? Luck?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So the fact that Wolverine hardly ever gets koed is attributed to what? Luck?

Hercules hardly gets Koed either. Not sure if you're even getting my point.

Reading through this thread, I'm convinced many of you aren't fully aware of Wolverine's abilities.

Very few examples of street levelers KOing Wolverine exist; there's even less if you remove the ones with extenuating circumstances.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Reading through this thread, I'm convinced many of you aren't fully aware of Wolverine's abilities.

Very few examples of street levelers KOing Wolverine exist; there's even less if you remove the ones with extenuating circumstances.

Well it looks like you may not have read through the thread properly.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Your view of this was Bone Claw Reen? Just curious.

Yes and the logic of what would happen if someone with more or less baseline human durability got punched by someone with class 20 strength. Wolverine heals faster now than he did as bone claw in the 90s, we even have his narrative saying that Hulk liquefies his organs every time he punches Wolverine... he just heals the damage during the course of the fight.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Reading through this thread, I'm convinced many of you aren't fully aware of Wolverine's abilities.

Very few examples of street levelers KOing Wolverine exist; there's even less if you remove the ones with extenuating circumstances.

Seriously it's only happened half a dozen times in almost 40 years, and most of them have extenuating circumstances.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously it's only happened half a dozen times in almost 40 years, and most of them have extenuating circumstances.

Your view if this was a Dojo - point scoring match ala Karate Kid movies and such? Just curious.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Your view if this was a Dojo - point scoring match ala Karate Kid movies and such? Just curious.

No powers or weapons pure h2h Wolverine and Cap go shot for shot for a close 50/50 split, with a slight edge to Cap due to reach advantage.

With his healing factor Wolverine rails Captain America 10/10. Impressive fight with plenty of back and forth but at no point will Cap be able to win without a plot device.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No powers or weapons pure h2h Wolverine and Cap go shot for shot for a close 50/50 split, with a slight edge to Cap due to reach advantage.

With his healing factor Wolverine rails Captain America 10/10. Impressive fight with plenty of back and forth but at no point will Cap be able to win without a plot device.

Brilliant. You've done absolutely zero to actually prove that Cap loses 10/10.

You haven't proven that Wolverines HF's make him harder to KO but you're still making the same argument. Brilliant. 👆

Here it is again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Streets stun class 100s with nerve strikes and pressure points. Wolverine is functionally immune to pressure points and nerve strikes.

Originally posted by Deadline

Not all the time. When Cap TKOed Thunderball it pretty much looked like a highly skillful punch. Don't think punching somebody in the chin involves using pressure points.

Cap has used a pressure point on Professor Hulk, if its working on him its working on Wolverine.

Hes not immune you just label every example of it working as PIS, you don't get to do that.

on the flip side, a consensus on anything is terrible /shrug

Originally posted by Deadline
Brilliant. You've done absolutely zero to actually prove that Cap loses 10/10.

You haven't proven that Wolverines HF's make him harder to KO but you're still making the same argument. Brilliant. 👆

Dude if you don't think Wolverine healing factor makes him harder to ko then you are an imbecile. Seriously. He has literally be kicked form New York to Georgia and wasn't koed! His durability is close to baseline human... and yet he can eat dozens of "car wreaking" haymakers from Spider-man with a smile on his face. What do you think allowed that to happen if not his healing factor? Do you really need proof that Wolverine is harder to ko? Then read a f@cking comic you mongoloid. Seriously, how do you think he has been eating punches from Hulk for 40 years? Magic?

Healing factor doesn't make him harder to ko? Seriously. Go get a CT scan because there is something wrong with you.