Originally posted by Bentley
Wolverine beats Cap and Daredevil, but not because it's impossible to hurt him.If Galactus gets crapped on by a writer there is a plot device to make it happen "Galactus was hungry", Wolverine doesn't have that commodity and I don't feel like inventing one for every inconsistence in comicbooks, they are afterall written by different people. Bottomline, I don't cherry pick feats nor in favor nor against a character.
You don't have to invent a reason, it's called PIS and ignoring it while citing examples of PIS is against the forum rules even if you don't want to acknowledge it's existence.
Originally posted by Bentley
Oh, don't get me wrong, its inconsistant as hell. I just don't think it's necesarily exclusive.
No it isn't, for starters class 100s tend to be slower and less skilled. Some Mas are skilled enough to stun and hurt bricks and therefore should be skilled enough to stun or Ko Wolverine.
Originally posted by Starscream M
one can make the argument that logan's highend hf feats are PIS
Exactly cherry Fing pick.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You don't have to invent a reason, it's called PIS and ignoring it while citing examples of PIS is against the forum rules even if you don't want to acknowledge it's existence.
You could reasonably put many of the times Wolverine is put down as PIS, but being impossible to ko isn't actually part of his powerset. He gets healing factor and high threshold to pain, but he can get koed. I think the deer was PIS, a highly skilled fighter hurting him is another case entirely.
Originally posted by Starscream M
one can make the argument that logan's highend hf feats are PIS
Shrugging off blows from class 100 hundreds aren't his high end feats, they are his baseline average. Where on the other hand him being taken down by streets are in the vast vast minority and are accompanied by some circumstance or context that allowed it to happen.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shrugging off blows from class 100 hundreds aren't his high end feats, they are his baseline average .
He can't take class 100 shots indefintely. Hell class 100 shots can seriously hurt him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Where on the other hand him being taken down by streets are in the vast [b]vast minority and are accompanied by some circumstance or context that allowed it to happen. [/B]
Yea and a vast minority are skilled enough. No there isn't always context. Anyway if a street leveler can stun people who can take class 100 shots they should be able to KO Wolverine.
Originally posted by Bentley
You could reasonably put many of the times Wolverine is put down as PIS, but being impossible to ko isn't actually part of his powerset. He gets healing factor and high threshold to pain, but he can get koed. I think the deer was PIS, a highly skilled fighter hurting him is another case entirely.
His power is to heal from damage, he can not be koed without over loading his healing factor... or else his healing factor would just heal the trauma.
The one time Captain America has koed Wolverine it was after he went through an X-Men gauntlet and just ate an optic blast from Cyclops. How many times other than that has a street level even put Wolverine down? Daredevil throat punched him in an Ennis issue that was full of blatant PIS that might have put hims down... but also might not have. Other than those two very suspect examples, what are other examples that you feel supports the notion that Wolverine can be koed by street level humans? Spider-man hasn't even managed to ko Wolverine in any of their fights, not even momentarily.
Originally posted by Deadline
He can't take class 100 shots indefintely. Hell class 100 shots can seriously hurt him.Yea and a vast minority are skilled enough. No there isn't always context. Anyway if a street leveler can stun people who can take class 100 shots they should be able to KO Wolverine.
He doesn't need to take them indefinitely, the fact that he could take one makes him too much for Cap, the fact that he can take dozens just makes it even worse.
Streets stun class 100s with nerve strikes and pressure points. Wolverine is functionally immune to pressure points and nerve strikes.
Originally posted by King Castle
no. that is a faulty assumption that doesnt take into account full powerset from type of durability, type of strength, healing factor, density and pis
No your making stuff up. You're arguing that Koing a guy that can take class 100 shots is different from Koing a person with a heigthened HF, you need something to back that up instead of just inventing something and using it as a reason as to why its faulty logic.
According to that logic I could argue that Thor could have a harder time Koing Hercules than he would Wolverine just because Wolverine has a HF. Class 100 shots do the same god damn thing they do to people with high durbaility and healing factors, so theres not reason why a highly skilled punch shouldn't be able to do the same.
Originally posted by The Nuul
If someone nails Logan in the throat that puts him down for a bit, thats a win on KMC.
It was Ennis PIS. Wolverine had his throat ripped / cutout several times and kept fighting. We don't even know conclusively that that throat punch even put him down for any considerable amount of time, since the narrative flashed forwarded to them eating hamburgers immediately after.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He doesn't need to take them indefinitely, the fact that he could take one makes him too much for Cap,
So you want me to repeat again Cap can stun class 100s?
Originally posted by srankmissingninthe fact that he can take dozens just makes it even worse.
You haven't proven he can take dozens of shots.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Streets stun class 100s with nerve strikes and pressure points.
Not all the time. When Cap TKOed Thunderball it pretty much looked like a highly skillful punch. Don't think punching somebody in the chin involves using pressure points.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is functionally immune to pressure points and nerve strikes.
Cap has used a pressure point on Professor Hulk, if its working on him its working on Wolverine.
Hes not immune you just label every example of it working as PIS, you don't get to do that.
Originally posted by Deadlinefacepalm2
No your making stuff up. You're arguing that Koing a guy that can take class 100 shots is different from Koing a person with a heigthened HF, you need something to back that up instead of just inventing something and using it as a reason as to why its faulty logic.According to that logic I could argue that Thor could have a harder time Koing Hercules than he would Wolverine just because Wolverine has a HF. Class 100 shots do the same god damn thing they do to people with high durbaility and healing factors, so theres not reason why a highly skilled punch shouldn't be able to do the same.
whatever..
Herc also has a mild healing factor and depending on the type of attack, thor of course would have a harder time ko'ing Logan due to panel showings and long history of fights.
you're insane if you think DD should be able to ko, thor, herc with a well placed pressure blow...