Originally posted by King Castle
let's turn this around which of the two are more likely to use pressure point attacks on the other?who has the most pressure point attacks in comics.
how often do people thing Cap will fall back on pressure points against Logan regardless of its effectiveness ?
in a forum fight, cap is smart enough to know what to throw at wolverine. he is extremely tactical
Originally posted by Silent Masterokay what do you want to label wolvie doing as pis?
Actually, I was talking about labeling something Wolverine has a history of doing as PIS in response to something Cap has a history of doing being labeled PIS.
we'll look at it analyze it and agree or disagree and i'll tell you why if you want to hear my view.
Originally posted by Silent Masterthat wasnt a pressure point. he crushed Logan's tendons while Logan's healing factor was already slowing down after spending a week or so on a nonstop crusade.
Actually, didn't Cap use pressure points on Wolverine recently, I remember him doing something that made it difficult for Wolverine to pop his claws.
i posted the entire story a few pages back 😬
Originally posted by King Castle
okay what do you want to label wolvie doing as pis?we'll look at it analyze it and agree or disagree and i'll tell you why if you want to hear my view.
He doesn't have any valid points to contribute, he just said he will arbitrarily decided to discount the majority portion of Wolverine's canon on a whim because you believe pressure pointing the Hulk is PIS.
Originally posted by inimalisti agree. but looking at Cap's pressure point feats, what does cap have in his arsenal to use on logan that Shingen, Ogun havent already tried.
in a forum fight, cap is smart enough to know what to throw at wolverine. he is extremely tactical
also dont use some one elses feat to say cap will do it assuming that Cap must know what they know.
i think that is where the problem comes in. people are ready to give cap the benefit of skill knowledge that others have without having to prove it himself.
so far Cap's PP attacks are mild below what others have shown and no reason to believe any of those will work at all.
Originally posted by srankmissingninhmmm.. i should have caught that, thanks.
He doesn't have any valid points to contribute, he just said he will arbitrarily decided to discount the majority portion of Wolverine's canon on a whim because you believe pressure pointing the Hulk is PIS.
the Hulk thing even if we believe it and take it face value isnt a pressure point attack it is a softening blow at it's best and notice it is being used behind his leg to bend it that doesnt translate to anything else.
that is like the doc giving a physical with the lil hammer on your knee and saying it can kill you in a fight where you are not sitting down and fighting back. the scan even shows Prof. Hulk not even aware of what Cap was up too.
Instant kill / paralyzing pressure points don't work on Wolverine. We've seen them not work on Wolverine, accompanied with narration stating that he would have been finished if he didn't have a healing factor. That makes Deadline's assumption that Cap "could get them to work," wrong. Those pressure points did work on Wolverine, if he didn't have a healing factor he would be dead, the narrative stated as much, it's not that the pressure points weren't executed properly or that they didn't work, it's that his healing factor completely nullified the effect.
Originally posted by King Castle
that wasnt a pressure point. he crushed Logan's tendons while Logan's healing factor was already slowing down after spending a week or so on a nonstop crusade.i posted the entire story a few pages back 😬
I've skipped a few pages, the topic is rather long. I could have sworn people called it a pp attack. oh well....back to the topic.
preaching to the choir my friend, preaching to the choir. shout it out on the mountain...
even than "if" it could work people are ignoring the glaring problem that Cap is fighting an equally if not superior fighter who will be fighting back which would make it difficult to land a nice crisp hail mary pressure Pis filled Blow.
look at how Cap has struggled with Logan in comics when Cap is given the one sided advantage
Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't even close to what I said.
It's exactly what you said:
"Cap has been doing those feats for years and under several different writers. if you want to discount that as PIS, I think I'll discount Wolverine standing up to bricks as PIS."
Essentially: If you think that is PIS, I'm just going to arbitrarily decided that this is PIS to spite you!
that is basically what you said, i let it go since you dont seem to approach nor are being as bad as other posters.
Originally posted by Silent Masterhere.
I've skipped a few pages, the topic is rather long. I could have sworn people called it a pp attack. oh well....back to the topic.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7426/captang15jg2.jpg
dont take it out of context thinking that will work here. otherwise anyone who read the Wolvie story arc will chew you out for not knowing the villain gauntlet Logan went through before facing cap that lasted about a week. It's why his healing was so traumatically slowed down and he continued to bleed from minor things as a nose bleed.
Anyways all Cap did was grip his arm and squeezed it as hard as he could to crush his tendons.
Originally posted by King Castle
i agree. but looking at Cap's pressure point feats, what does cap have in his arsenal to use on logan that Shingen, Ogun havent already tried.
nothing, but you don't need to and shouldn't be looking at Caps feats to see if he can do something that it is stated can't be done
Originally posted by King CastleMyth.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7426/captang15jg2.jpgdont take it out of context thinking that will work here. otherwise anyone who read the Wolvie story arc will chew you out for not knowing the villain gauntlet Logan went through before facing cap that lasted about a week. It's why his healing was so traumatically slowed down and he continued to bleed from minor things as a nose bleed.
Only person Wolverine fought before Cap was Nuke. And he pretty much destroyed him effortlessly. Wolverine was sitting around in his Brooklyn pad when he heard Nuke was sighted and flew to Vietnam.
Let's not engineer excuses for what happened.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's exactly what you said:"Cap has been doing those feats for years and under several different writers. if you want to discount that as PIS, I think I'll discount Wolverine standing up to bricks as PIS."
Essentially: If you think that is PIS, I'm just going to arbitrarily decided that this is PIS to spite you!
Again, you claimed that I said it in response to a single example being listed as PIS, which is incorrect, so thank you for quoting where I stated I was talking about his entire history of such feats.
You just owned yourself.
^ Please. That debate played itself out years ago in another thread. Fact: Wolverine was sitting in his Brooklyn pad meditating when Nuke was sighted. Fact: Wolverine had to fly over to Vietnam to find him. Fact: Wolverine found him and took him down with little trouble. Fact: Cap arrives and fights him.
Let's not repeat the deconstruction of "Wolverine-didn't-eat-a-bite-or-sleep-a-wink-in-Origins" myth.
