Originally posted by Ize19
Here's the fight between Echo and Wolverine:1.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9598/daredevilv20540506.jpg
2.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4928/daredevilv20540708.jpgthis is the scan showing Wolverine resisting nerve strikes:
3.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1298/daredevilv20540910.jpg4.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8643/daredevilv205411.jpg
5.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1030/daredevilv205412.jpg
6.http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2215/daredevilv205413.jpg
here is the famous shingen fight where logan had a burned out healing factor, poisoned and was tanking killer nerve blows before he was overwhelmed.
Originally posted by Ize19
Here you go:1.http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3223/wolverinels0115.jpg
2.http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6135/wolverinels0116.jpg
3.http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3553/wolverinels0117.jpg
4.http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4973/wolverinels0118.jpg
5.http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8452/wolverinels0119.jpg
keep in mind the upgraded healing factor logan had gained that makes his original one look mild making it even less likely to work.
plus this:
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The entire Wolverine the Best There Is 4 needs to be posted... but I don't feel right posting an entire issue.Short story: The fact that Wolverine's memories are regenerated along with his brain after extensive trauma was addressed. Confirmation that Wolverine's mutation is in an ongoing never ending state of evolution. Every time he heals he comes back stronger, faster, and his healing factor more effective against the type of assault that caused the damage. He becomes more resilient and heals faster every time he gets beat up.
you cant really argue that Logan's healing and pressure point resistance is the same as Namor which Namor has never shown anything close to Wolverine.
if you want to make an ABC logic leap it would be better to use Sabretooth, X-23, Omega Red, Native, Wildchild at keep in mind the slight differences to one another.
as it stands you have no case at all with Namor and it's becoming a broken record even still you know the forum opinion about using an brain washed character as feat for another.
but let's see what a crossover story says about Wolvie and his Healing Factor against Pressure point attacks
http://www.againwiththecomics.com/2009/02/wolverine-versus-spock_05.html
it's not Canon but even still it's just something to add to the evidence of the character.
1. burned out healing factor logan took half a dozen pressure kill blows resisting them before finally dropping.
2. he completely no selled echo and simply hurt and made him mad nearly goating him into a rage.
3. Ogun has slapped logan across the face repeatedly which Logan added that it might not seem a big deal to anyone watching but his master could kill a full grown buffalo with a swipe.
4. Logan grips Spock as he falls to the ground and recovers from the ultimate pressure point attack in all creation and no sells Spock explaining how his Healing Factor works.
5. modern story states that Wolverine's Healing factor adapts and learns from previous injuries allowing him to recover, resist attacks which if you add it to the history of his career he is damn near immune by now to pressure points more so than in the past especially with his Adamantium skeleton and absorption ability
anymore questions? 😎
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6102/ogungpracticeduelhj3.jpg
Originally posted by Silent Master
Hasn't Daredevil hurt Wolverine with a pressure point attack in the throat?
its a single instance that is generally inconsistent with wolverine's normal showings, such as being able to fight while his throat is cut or missing entirely
the best it shows is that cap might be able to damage wolvie with the attack, but that it is not likely to either KO or even incapacitate wolverine for very long. Even in the DD instance, we don't see wolverine put down, we see him hurt momentarily, then the scene ends.
Originally posted by inimalist
you mean you have shown that the most consistent appearances for wolverine show him as being vulnerable to pressure points?
I tell you what how about you actually go to p155 and read what I said. I actually put my post below.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=311710&pagenumber=155
Its in reply to srank.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has shrugged of half a dozen pressure points expressly stated to kill. Kill. Dim Mak is [b]documented to have no effect on Wolverine. Killing pressure points are the pinnacle of offensive output, and if they don't work... what exactly is Captain America going to exactly? Bust through the glass ceiling and use a pressure point designed to SUPER KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please. Dim Mak doesn't phase Wolverine even when used by peerless masters. It has been stated that pressure points only make him angry. How is Captain America going to make his pressure points more effective? They've already been executed properly with no effect... he can't change that. [/B]
You are now trolling. All those points have been dealt with.
Originally posted by Deadline
Mate some of Wolverine's fights are short, there is one where alot is off panel. Sorry not seeing any proof here.I really think you're making stuff up. I was under the impression that Prof Hulk was more powerful than Savage Hulk and I've seen Prof Hulk heal from a massive hole in the chest.
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/26abc674
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/1843362aI thought I saw scans in the respect thread of Wolverine getting his hurt ripped out and taking a similar amount of time to get up. Hulks injuries are worse.
You are dodging the point. Professor Hulk is alot more durable than Wolverine and has a comparable healing factor. You don't then decide that because hes not Wolverine that it won't work on him. Its like trying to argue that Thor Koing Namor isn't proof that he can KO Luke Cage, because Luke Cages durability is different.
You are using faulty logic just because something is different doesn't mean that a comparison can't be made. In this example you need to actually prove that they are so different a comparison can't be made instead of making assumptions.
So Shingen is as skilled as Cap?
Well for starters Wolverine went into a beserker rage, which makes him even more resistant this doesn't mean it won't work on regular Wolverine. Hell they mave have worked if Ogun was more serious.
Right so Echo, some japanese guys in warrior village = Cap?
You have not provided any proof that Hulks HF is not interchangeable and you have not provided any logical explanation is to why its not interchangeable. All you have done is express your opinion. I see this alot, people make statements and feel that just by making a statement without backing it up with any proof constitutes proof.
Yea and DD said he couldn't read Captain America because of his metabolism. Just because somebody says something don't mean its fact when theres nothing to back it up.
Just because somebody states that all HF are different doesn't mean that what works on one HF won't work on another when they both have comparable showings. Blunt force trauma and other attacks both affect Wolverine and Hulk the same way. Obvoulsy speed will make a difference but apart from that you need to actually provide proof. There is no on-panel proof that there is vast difference between HFs apart from speed.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He punched him in the throat and knocked him over for a single panel. It was inconclusive PIS.
replace hand with shield+cap's greater than dd strength and the result may be different however.....
regardless--i agree with most of the thread though--it is much more likely logan lands blows with his claws or simply outlasts cap then it is cap lands nerve blows. still, cap can get some wins. just that logan takes the majority thanks again to healing.
Originally posted by leonidas
replace hand with shield+cap's greater than dd strength and the result may be different however.....regardless--i agree with most of the thread though--it is much more likely logan lands blows with his claws or simply outlasts cap then it is cap lands nerve blows. still, cap can get some wins. just that logan takes the majority thanks again to healing.
Be aware that srank is actually arguing that Cap can't KO Wolverine and will win 10/10
Originally posted by Deadlineyou havent dealt with anything and if by dealt, you mean ignore than sure.
I tell you what how about you actually go to p155 and read what I said. I actually put my post below.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=311710&pagenumber=155
Its in reply to srank.
You are now trolling. All those points have been dealt with.
but the bottom line the one or two times he has bn effected by pressure points were inconsistent to the times it has failed to work.
let's look:
DD throat chop, possibly crushed larynx if so it's pis due to healing to explain it for DD it would need to be a pressure blow and even than it is a freak occurrence compared to the three pressure point crush throat stabs that Logan took to the throat from Shingen and kept on fighting ignoring the need to breath and not dying from the pressure blow.
anyone else you want to mention that isnt out of context?
Originally posted by Deadline
You are now trolling. All those points have been dealt with.
You haven't addressed any of the points, all you have said is "LALALALA None of those guys are Captain America!!!! LALALALALAA" Shingen and Ogun have hit Wolverine with dozens of Dim Mak attacks to no avail. Attacks DESIGNED TO KILL have no effect on Wolverine. Done. End of story. Unless you believe Captain America knows how do something many orders of magnitude more damaging then kill someone with a pressure point, like cause them to explode, then what exactly is he going to do? Unless Captain America busts out the Wu-Han Thumb of Death, Wolverine will completely no sell his pressure point attacks.
Originally posted by inimalistI think fighting with his throat cut or missing is PIS tbf
its a single instance that is generally inconsistent with wolverine's normal showings, such as being able to fight while his throat is cut or missing entirelythe best it shows is that cap might be able to damage wolvie with the attack, but that it is not likely to either KO or even incapacitate wolverine for very long. Even in the DD instance, we don't see wolverine put down, we see him hurt momentarily, then the scene ends.
Originally posted by King Castle
you havent dealt with anything and if by dealt, you mean ignore than sure.but the bottom line the one or two times he has bn effected by pressure points were inconsistent to the times it has failed to work.
let's look:
DD throat chop, possibly crushed larynx if so it's pis due to healing to explain it for DD it would need to be a pressure blow and even than it is a freak occurrence compared to the three pressure point crush throat stabs that Logan took to the throat from Shingen and kept on fighting ignoring the need to breath and not dying from the pressure blow.
anyone else you want to mention that isnt out of context?
You are also trolling for starters I have already made the point that none of those guys are better than Cap.
Professor Hulk
Namor underwater
Crap load of bricks
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You haven't addressed any of the points, all you have said is "LALALALA None of those guys are Captain America!!!! LALALALALAA" Shingen and Ogun have hit Wolverine with dozens of Dim Mak attacks to no avail. Attacks DESIGNED TO KILL have no effect on Wolverine. Done. End of story. Unless you believe Captain America knows how do something many orders of magnitude more damaging then kill someone with a pressure point, like cause them to explode, then what exactly is he going to do? Unless Captain America busts out the Wu-Han Thumb of Death, Wolverine will completely no sell his pressure point attacks.
What part of those guys aren't as skilled as Cap don't you understand? What part of Wolverine was beserk when Ogun was hitting don't you understand?
Could you please stop dodging the points. You also have provided zero proof that Wolverine is harder to KO than Prof Hulk. Yes I have dealt with the points and you are now trolling and dodging the points.
you do know that Shingen when created was put out as one of Marvel's deadliest MA'ers at the time before the title became irrelevent in 2000, right?
the guy was a pressure point practitioner master.. a Samurai and had Hand training forging his familial application to it. the limited history he had clearly showed him the lvl of skill he had. hell, he was listed as a peak human for his age and was able to fight Logan for a good measure back in the day.
dont try to no sell him as if he is some random fodder especially since Shingen was considered by Logan as his top enemy list along side Ogun, Sabretooth, Lady Death Strike in his danger room session program.
and also Captain America isnt even close in skill to Ogun and he was doing the same crap with the killer slaps across the Logan's face when he didnt have an adamantium skeleton.
so dont come in here telling me nor Srank we're the trolls when the title would be a better fit for you and your bias lowballing attitude.
the only reason you can even rort to the trolling comment is b/c you havent brought a single shred of evidence nor making an argument that isnt ignoring context or omitting something.
Originally posted by King Castle
you do know that Shingen when created was put out as one of Marvel's deadliest MA'ers at the time before the title became irrelevent in 2000, right?the guy was a pressure point practitioner master.. a Samurai and had Hand training forging his familial application to it. the limited history he had clearly showed him the lvl of skill he had. hell, he was listed as a peak human for his age and was able to fight Logan for a good measure back in the day.
dont try to no sell him as if he is some random fodder especially since Shingen was considered by Logan as his top enemy list along side Ogun, Sabretooth, Lady Death Strike in his danger room session program.
and also Captain America isnt even close in skill to Ogun and he was doing the same crap with the killer slaps across the Logan's face when he didnt have an adamantium skeleton.
so dont come in here telling me nor Srank we're the trolls when the title would be a better fit for you and your bias lowballing attitude
1. Not arguing Cap is more skilled than Ogun anyway.
2. Wolverine was beserk when Ogun was hitting him making him harder to Ko
3. All that stuff about Shingen is irrelevant. On panel proof that Shingen is better than Cap please The second time they fought Wolverine took him out quite easily, Wolverine has never taken Cap out that easily.
Yes all the points have been countered and you're still trolling.
LOL at Daredevil hitting him in the throat being PIS.
First of all it wasn't even a Pressure point, he was actually hitting him in the throat.
When Daredevil usually goes for pressure points to the head he goes for the nerve centers in the temple or shoulder not in the throat.
As for Cap being capable of hitting a pressure point Hulk's durability and healing factor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wolverine's so if Cap does have consistent showings doing those types of things then you need to start making your argument around how much more durable Wolverine is and not bring up street level characters failing to do it on him.
Originally posted by Deadline
What part of those guys aren't as skilled as Cap don't you understand? What part of Wolverine was beserk when Ogun was hitting don't you understand?Could you please stop dodging the points. You also have provided zero proof that Wolverine is harder to KO than Prof Hulk. Yes I have dealt with the points and you are now trolling and dodging the points.
What point of Wolverine is immune to the death touch do you not understand? It doesn't work on him. Unless your argument is that Ogun and Shingen weren't skilled enough to execute it properly then what is your point. The killing touch has no effect what so ever on Wolverine, there is nothing Cap could possibly do that is worse or cause more damage than kill someone with a touch. That's just a fact.
Wolverine only beat Ogun and Shingen because of his healing factor and Adamantium skeleton. They are both more skilled than Captain America. Wolverine wasn't berserk when berserk when Ogun was pressure pointing him, he became berserk BECAUSE Ogin was pressure pointing him.
I haven't provided proof that Wolverine is harder to ko than Professor Hulk because it is irrelevant. His healing factor is faster than Pro Hulk, and his healing factor is the reason why he has a documented immune to pressure points.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What point of Wolverine is immune to the death touch do you not understand? It doesn't work on him. Unless your argument is that Ogun and Shingen weren't skilled enough to execute it properly then what is your point. The killing touch has no effect what so ever on Wolverine, there is nothing Cap could possibly do that is worse or cause more damage than kill someone with a touch. That's just a fact.Wolverine only beat Ogun and Shingen because of his healing factor and Adamantium skeleton. They are both more skilled than Captain America. Wolverine wasn't berserk when berserk when Ogun was pressure pointing him, he became berserk BECAUSE Ogin was pressure pointing him.
I haven't provided proof that Wolverine is harder to ko than Professor Hulk because it is irrelevant. His healing factor is faster than Pro Hulk, and his healing factor is the reason why he has a documented immune to pressure points.
I'm tired could somebopdy please take over for me. I'm getting bored of pointing out his consistently weak arguments.
Wolverine never went Berserk he lost his temper and the animal wanted out. aside from that if he had gone berserk it wouldnt have helped him seeing as He had lost his healing factor it being burned out.
so try again.
prove that Shingen is a better pressure point Practitioner than Cap?
that is the easiest thing to show look at the scan read wolvie solo series. Shingen performed nothing but pressure point attacks on logan in a fight.. he has one armed disarmed Yukio caused her body to erupt in pain with a single thumb touch on her hand and paralyzed her by placing his thumb on her cheek.
there is nothing else needed to show the lvl of pressure point skill knowledge he has when cap's are not as impressive nor done on a similar lvl in combat..
that's like comparing Cap's weak as behind the knee hit's and his one time hand squeeze and saying he is better than the guy who can kill you, paralyze you by lightly touching and not applying much forcefacepalm2..
