Originally posted by Deadline
I'm tired could somebopdy please take over for me. I'm getting bored of pointing out his consistently weak arguments.
Wolverine completely no sells killing touches. That is a fact. If Dim Mak doesn't work at all... what is Captain America going to do? Seriously, use your head for more than just a resting place for a hat.
Originally posted by Deadlinelike i said if he had gone berserk it wouldnt have helped him since he didnt have a healing factor since it was already burned out before hand. aside from that Logan took the pressure point kill blows before he got mad in his standard mindset. it wasnt a factor at all.
^ Use some common sense. They don't need to specifically say he went beserk he obvoulsy went beserk.
your acting like logan was berserk before and during the fight as the reason he wasnt killed when he was clearly not reread the scans i posted.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine completely no sells killing touches. That is a fact. If Dim Mak doesn't work at all... what is Captain America going to do? Seriously, use your head for more than just a resting place for a hat.
Yea and Namor has taken class 100 shots, that means that Cap can't stun him. No wait a minute.... dur
It also depends on how skilled the people are, just because some people can't get it to work on Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't. Again common sense.
You done now?
Originally posted by Deadlinein a forum fight, no Cap cant stun him anymore than he can stun Hulk.. it's called PIS which you should know the difference via powerset/attributes 😬
Yea and Namor has taken class 100 shots, that means that Cap can't stun him. No wait a minute.... durYou done now?
Originally posted by Silent Masterthat could be an argument. the problem is that logan has no selled pressure kill blows with a burned out healing factor which makes it the Latter
Healing abilities do not make you immune to damage, they just heal it. So what you’re actually arguing is that Wolverine heals the damage from the pressure points before they could incapacitate him, That would make him resistant to PP attacks, not immune.
plus the modern scans of Wolvie and his healing factor resistance and adaptive nature of his power.
Originally posted by Deadline
I tell you what how about you actually go to p155 and read what I said. I actually put my post below.
don't be arrogant, you know for a fact I read your post
Originally posted by Deadline
You are now trolling. All those points have been dealt with.
well, not really
you made a great post about Captain America, but the point is, we are talking about Wolverine.
One would first have to prove that Wolverine is susceptible to pressure points before we would discuss if Cap could exploit them for the win.
I agree with you, IF pressure points were a reliable tactic for harming wolverine, then Cap should be able to do it. However, that conclusion is dependent on the clause, "if they are a reliable tactic"
its like, say I have a wall that can't be broken. You say "I could break it, look at these other walls I've broken", but those other walls are irrelevant, because they don't share the same property of "unbreakability" as my wall. We would have to prove my wall is breakable before we could say you could break it, even if it is likely you could break any breakable wall.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea and Namor has taken class 100 shots, that means that Cap can't stun him. No wait a minute.... durYou done now?
Class 100 shots aren't pressure points. Pressure points work on bricks by essentially circumventing their inherent durability. Pressure points work on Namor because they are documented as being effective. They don't work on Wolverine because they are documented as being ineffective... their effect on Namor is of no relevance to this discussion.
Originally posted by inimalistdid you see the links i posted showing Logan tanking the pressure point attacks and how his modern adaptive healing Factor works? 😮
don't be arrogant, you know for a fact I read your postwell, not really
you made a great post about Captain America, but the point is, we are talking about Wolverine.
One would first have to prove that Wolverine is susceptible to pressure points before we would discuss if Cap could exploit them for the win.
I agree with you, IF pressure points were a reliable tactic for harming wolverine, then Cap should be able to do it. However, that conclusion is dependent on the clause, "if they are a reliable tactic"
its like, say I have a wall that can't be broken. You say "I could break it, look at these other walls I've broken", but those other walls are irrelevant, because they don't share the same property of "unbreakability" as my wall. We would have to prove my wall is breakable before we could say you could break it, even if it is likely you could break any breakable wall.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Class 100 shots aren't pressure points. Pressure points work on bricks by essentially circumventing their inherent durability. Pressure points work on Namor because they are documented as being effective. They don't work on Wolverine because they are documented as being ineffective... their effect on Namor is of no relevance to this discussion.
You completely missed the point. Now I'm going to have to explain that as well. Those points have already been adressed.
Read my edit.
Originally posted by King Castle
in a forum fight, no Cap cant stun him anymore than he can stun Hulk.. it's called PIS which you should know the difference via powerset/attributes 😬that could be an argument. the problem is that logan has no selled pressure kill blows with a burned out healing factor which makes it the Latter
plus the modern scans of Wolvie and his healing factor resistance and adaptive nature of his power.
Which actually would make that one PIS as being immune to pp attacks isn't a power that Marvel has stated Wolverine to have.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWolverine use his unbreakable razor sharp claws that can cut near anything (per Narration and nature of his claws) as the main reasonhe can take down bricks
Cap has been doing those feats for years and under several different writers. if you want to discount that as PIS, I think I'll discount Wolverine standing up to bricks as PIS.
i dont think anyone has come in here using Logan's blunt trauma with why he would beat a brick. i be the 1st one to argue against the shit if use against anyone from rhino, she Hulk, Luke and so on and should never be used. if anything i would consider it out right trolling baiting.
Originally posted by Deadline
You completely missed the point. Now I'm going to have to explain that as well. Those points have already been adressed.Read my edit.
So your honest belief is that neither Ogun or Shignen were skilled enough to properly execute their pressure points on Wolverine?
You're clown shoes dude. 🙄
Originally posted by King Castle
Wolverine use his unbreakable razor sharp claws that can cut near anything as the main reason he can take down bricks.it isnt b/c he can punch them unconscious even with his adamantium weighted blows at best it is mild shock similar to a baby hitting you just b/c it might stick a bit doesnt mean i bring it in here as a pressure point attack or that he can cause him sufficient pain and discomfort to ko them.
i dont think anyone has come in here using Logan's blunt trauma with why he would beat a brick. i be the 1st one to argue against the shit if use against anyone from rhino, she Hulk, Luke and so on and should never be used. if anything i would consider it out right trolling baiting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wolverine's ability to withstand hits from bricks repeatedly mentioned a few pages back?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So your honest belief is that neither Ogun or Shignen were skilled enough to properly execute their pressure points on Wolverine?You're clown shoes dude. 🙄
Originally posted by Deadline
1. Not arguing Cap is more skilled than Ogun anyway.
2. Wolverine was beserk when Ogun was hitting him making him harder to Ko
3. All that stuff about Shingen is irrelevant. [b] On panel proof that Shingen is better than Cap please The second time they fought Wolverine took him out quite easily, Wolverine has never taken Cap out that easily.Yes all the points have been countered and you're still trolling. [/B]
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Originally posted by Silent Masterso what?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wolverine's ability to withstand hits from bricks repeatedly mentioned a few pages back?
we are talking about Wolverine able to hit a brick with his strength ala cap which he shouldnt be able to anymore than Cap.
taking hits is a completely different factor due to his powerset that he has that Cap does not.
we know what Wolvie was designed for when he was created.
that's like saying it's PIS Cap is american, he was created as such.
Logan was created to fight hulk, he was later shown repeatedly fighting high end bricks as a nod to his creation even fighting hulk repeatedly for years.
that is not PIS, pis is a character doing things that are beyond his powerset. it's why ppl laugh at batman when guys try to pull the batkick, bat punch, bat headbutt b/c he pulled it at some herald being in DC and at the end of the day there is no reason for it. no power amp batsuit, no upgrade power of strength it's just his peak human stats and his resolve that makes it happen.
that is pis, that is why firelord/spidey is pis, Cap beating harming rhino is pis......
Originally posted by King Castle
so what?we are talking about Wolverine able to hit a brick with his strength ala cap which he shouldnt be able to anymore than Cap.
taking hits is a completely different factor due to his powerset that he has that Cap does not.
we know why Wolvie was designed for when he was created.
that's like saying it's PIS Cap is american, he was created as such.
Logan was created to fight hulk, he was later shown repeatedly fighting high end bricks as a nod to his creation even fighting hulk repeatedly for years.
that is not PIS, pis is a character doing things that are beyond his powerset. it's why ppl laugh at batman when guys try to pull the batkick, bat punch, bat headbutt b/c he pulled it at some herald being in DC and at the end of the day there is no reason for it. no power amp batsuit, no upgrade power of strength it's just his peak human stats and his resolve that makes it happen.
that is pis, that is why firelord/spidey is pis, Cap beating harming rhino is pis......
Actually, I was talking about labeling something Wolverine has a history of doing as PIS in response to something Cap has a history of doing being labeled PIS.
Originally posted by Deadline
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Wolverine wasn't berserk when Ogun was hitting him with pressure points, the fact that he went berserk latter is of no relevance.
Shingen put the boots to Wolverine. Wolverine only managed to beat him because of his healing factor and Adamantium skeleton. If you are skilled enough to tool Wolverine, you are more skilled than Cap. I know Wolverine took him out only getting tagged once when he was rez'd but we don't know what effect being resurrected had on Shingen or if he was on the top of his game.
Anway you said "just because some people can't get it to work on Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't" but that is fallacious. Shingen and Ogun did get them to work on Wolverine... they just had no effect what so ever because of his healing factor. It was expressly stated on panel that they are working, that they would have killed an ordinary man without a healing factor. Why would Captain America be able to achieve different results?
Unless Cap can do this, there is nothing he can do with a pressure point to slow down Wolverine:
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anway you said "just because some people can't get it to work on Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't" but that is fallacious.
its not just fallacious, but completely nonsensical.
it is, literally, trying to find the limits of Wolverine's powerset by looking at Captain America feats
