Originally posted by mr.smiley
They fought in the ultimate series
and wolvy also guest starred in a cap book were they duke it out.
on the cover it shows wolverine slashing at caps shield
Yeah thats the mind controlled Werewolf fight issues, it was a 3 issue story arc kind of deal IIRC.
Ultimate fights bring nothing to the table and should never be mentioned.
Originally posted by mr.smileyone time in Ultimate when Cap had to take down Wolvie he just shot him with an assault rifle so he probably couldnt take down Wolvie in a fight
They fought in the ultimate series
and wolvy also guest starred in a cap book were they duke it out.
on the cover it shows wolverine slashing at caps shield
Again u display ur lack of reasoning. If in fact the last word was "ass" then when you typed it, it would have been censored as well, wouldn't it have. It's things like this which is why I knock ur posts....you don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by jinzin
i thought the werewolf fight was pretty decent.....anyway's i assumed that last word was supposed to be ass....i could be wrong though....freakin hilarious....he just flipped.
A) It is wrong because his own argument is the reason I thought wolverine could use his claws. He does not say...in this fight claws are not allowed, he says "Claws can't do more to caps shield than scratch the paint"... And that argument is wrong...if wolverine could use his claws, they will make a difference when he stabs cap.
B) I do not disagree with what marvel posted...in fact I 100% agree with it. I am saying he is wrong because A, he is misinformed about what is going on in Cap's body...I explained what happens in another post. And B, he is using it to try and present some sort of advantage for cap, when in fact it AT BEST allows us to PRETEND that Wolverine and Cap are even in this area. When in truth, Wolverine healing factor gives him much more durability and muscle endurance.
C) you agree, least valid
D) They are not equal in terms of raw brute strength...that just isn't true. Captain America CANNOT be as strong as wolverine. Wolverine is always presented as borderline superhuman and it's left ambigious...His strength rating is 4.
E) What part of this post is right? All he does is say "I donno" "maybe he could maybe he couldn't...i obviously don't know" that's what he's saying. So why argue with someone who DOES know
Originally posted by jinzin
"Wolverine's claws are irrelevant in this fight for the most part. His claws can't do more to Cap's shield than scratch the paint and Cap can easily block Wolverine's swings. But anyway..."
this wasn't wrong because.....that's how the fight has been layed out.."In addition to making Steve the perfect physical specimen of the human race, it also eliminated the excessive build-up of acid in his muscles. When a muscle exerts itself, it starts creating this substance (I believe it's an acid) that starts to break the muscle down or somesuch. The body naturally removes this acid overtime, but if the acid builds up faster than the body can remove it, the muscle becomes tired. With the removal of this acid, theoretically, Cap's muscles virtually cannot become tired, giving him amazing endurance."
this again.....somewhat vague....not really wrong...this is exactly how captain america's serum has been described in the comics...in terms of what it does and allows cap to do....don't blame him cause you disagree with something that' marvel's produced...
"True, he can. But if you're referencing to his healing factor, it's capable of becoming overtaxed. Wolverine doesn't heal in two seconds; I've seen him down and knocked unconscious enough times. Cap doesn't have to kill Logan to beat him. But this IS where Wolverine's going to truly give Cap trouble, especially if he can't use his claws."
again....this isn't wrong based on my theory which is what I assumed that wonderer was going with.....wolverine's healing factor can become overtaxed...it would just take either a lot of damage or a lot of time to do so.......but wolvies healig factor can only help him so much when cap starts using nerve clusters and pressure points to his advantage...
"So?"
this is about the least valid part of his post.
"Nope. Wolverine's adamantium skeleton puts him at the human maximum. Captain America's super soldier serum put him at the human maximum. So they're equal in terms of raw, brute strength.
Cap's also a much better strategist, the leader whereas Wolverine is always the follower. He doesn't think; he fights and (sometimes) kills. If anything, Cap could out-think Wolverine and apparently it works for Batman."
this isn't wrong either......technically anyways.....originally, cap was written to be stronger than wolverine physically....but as I said in the past decade or so wolverine has had much more impressive physical feats of strength. cap out thinking wolvie isn't wrong either....cap is more than capible....
"He could. Maybe he wouldn't, just as Wolverine could beat Captain America. But I think he wouldn't, especially if this is Ultimate Cap. But then we roll into a whole 'nother ball-game."
this.....an opinion....how is this wrong?
"Your argument is now taking shape....describing how Captain america can devise a strategy to hide behind his shield in an attempt to wear wolverine out(Actually you probably didn't even think of that, and now I've summed up in words what you were kind of thinking). Aren't you glad we got into this discussion so now the scenario you couldn't quite put ur finger on has been put into words?"
that was kinda the point of my post...sorry if I have trouble conveying my thought about said matter.....
"No need to get frustrated and assume people are out to get you"
well excuse me.....but wasn't it you who called me a dumbass not but 2 weeks ago for apparently no reason in a thread that didn't even concern me?
Originally posted by jinzini dont care what you fools say Wolverine could fight with a freaking spike in his stomach and no matter how strong Cap is how many times can he take a metal fist in his face? oh let me guess...."Cap has to much heart to lose!" 🙄f**k heart Wolvie will beat his mug into a bloody pulp
that IS my point........ glare
"A) It is wrong because his own argument is the reason I thought wolverine could use his claws. He does not say...in this fight claws are not allowed, he says "Claws can't do more to caps shield than scratch the paint"... And that argument is wrong...if wolverine could use his claws, they will make a difference when he stabs cap."
you freaking wanton miscreant....read the very first post...HE CAN'T use his claws......
"B) I do not disagree with what marvel posted...in fact I 100% agree with it. I am saying he is wrong because A, he is misinformed about what is going on in Cap's body...I explained what happens in another post. And B, he is using it to try and present some sort of advantage for cap, when in fact it AT BEST allows us to PRETEND that Wolverine and Cap are even in this area. When in truth, Wolverine healing factor gives him much more durability and muscle endurance."
durability yeah....i don't think he was bedating that........but endurace? ...not in the long haul
"D) They are not equal in terms of raw brute strength...that just isn't true. Captain America CANNOT be as strong as wolverine. Wolverine is always presented as borderline superhuman and it's left ambigious...His strength rating is 4. "
i already agreed to this...just originally cap was stronger....
"E) What part of this post is right? All he does is say "I donno" "maybe he could maybe he couldn't...i obviously don't know" that's what he's saying. So why argue with someone who DOES know"
ummm i think...that's....what I was doing......lol.