Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
His shield is his best asset. Wolverine won't do anything but scratch it. And he can easily use it to beat Wolverine down, or throw it at his throat.
I posted these in the Captain America gauntlet so I might as well post them here too:
Besides Wolverine isn't faster or stronger than Cap (if anything they might be even). And Cap demonstrates a great deal more skill in fights that Wolverine ever does.
Quickness/speed feats:
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005065ur.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005059vh.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=103ak.jpg
(Impresses Quicksilver with his speed)http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1017079vk.jpg
More strength feats:
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap339pg180cl.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0493yw.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol310186zj.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol310198ae.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0506wg.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
I posted these in the Captain America gauntlet so I might as well post them here too:Besides Wolverine isn't faster or stronger than Cap (if anything they might be even). And Cap demonstrates a great deal more skill in fights that Wolverine ever does.
Quickness/speed feats:
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005065ur.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005059vh.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=103ak.jpg
(Impresses Quicksilver with his speed)http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1017079vk.jpgMore strength feats:
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap339pg180cl.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0493yw.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol310186zj.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol310198ae.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0506wg.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46c6f3d71tg.jpg
Wolverines old stats.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg
This pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpg
Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg
Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpg
Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpg
wolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpg
wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpg
Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
ya about that wolverine is stated to be beyond peakhuman capt is not and wolverines feats are better by a good amount.
Here a list of a few of wolverines feats.
AGILITY and REFLEX FEATS not all but some
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) Has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl , dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lazers.
(x-men #103) wolverine show some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
(Wolverine #134) wolverine defeats a good amount of heros.
(Daredevil man with out fear! Vs Wolverine #249) wolverine dodges bush wacker machine gun firer well running at him.
First of all, actual feats >>> stats. Both Wolverine and Captain America have a large number of feats that put them both well above "peak human" (no peak human could throw a shield through an engine block or to have it catch up to a rocket and then cut through it). In fact if you compare their respective feats you will find that they are really quite similar. Both can dodge bullet/laser fire, and both can knock opponents through walls. Imo, they have both demonstrated that they are in about the same speed and strength class. If you want to see more of Cap's feats just follow the link I posted earlier. But nothing shows that Wolverine outclasses Cap in these areas.
Maybe we should just post on this thread instead of the gauntlet as we seem to mainly disagree about Wolverine vs Cap?
fist off stats are the abse and u use feats to prove stats. so stats are very important. marvel feels wolverine stornger then capt whcih is easy to see from the fact on every hand book he always listed a level over capt in every stat ecpt intel.
also not a single one of ur feats of strength wa svery impressive. im not even sure one of ur feats ecpt maby the plane one comes close and that plane one wolverine has done befor but much easier. and thats only one feat.
alsso the speed feats wer enot impressive at all. all the reflex feats I listed owned those capt feats by a very good amount.
Originally posted by capt it up
fist off stats are the abse and u use feats to prove stats. so stats are very important. marvel feels wolverine stornger then capt whcih is easy to see from the fact on every hand book he always listed a level over capt in every stat ecpt intel.
also not a single one of ur feats of strength wa svery impressive. im not even sure one of ur feats ecpt maby the plane one comes close and that plane one wolverine has done befor but much easier. and thats only one feat.
alsso the speed feats wer enot impressive at all. all the reflex feats I listed owned those capt feats by a very good amount.
Stats are unreliable at best and are to be discounted when it is obvious that not even Marvel follows them. There is scan after scan of Cap exceeding the ranking Marvel has assigned to him, and most people (and you may not be one of them) around here rank actual scans far above stats. I mean just look at Namor, Marvel has had him exceeding his 85 ton strength stat since he was created. 😬
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion as to how impressive Captain America's strength feats are, in my mind ripping steel off of a tractor with your bare hands, defeating the long list of opponents I posed, k.o.ing several super strong characters, knocking down a steel door with a wounded shoulder, throwing a shield through the a helicopter hundreds of feet away, cutting a truck nearly in half with a shield, catching up to and cutting through a rocket in flight, moving so fast that you are a blur to block incoming bullets, and impressing speedsters with your speed is pretty impressive to me. But maybe I'm the only one.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Stats are unreliable at best and are to be discounted when it is obvious that not even Marvel follows them. There is scan after scan of Cap exceeding the ranking Marvel has assigned to him, and most people (and you may not be one of them) around here rank actual scans far above stats. I mean just look at Namor, Marvel has had him exceeding his 85 ton strength stat since he was created. 😬While you are certainly entitled to your opinion as to how impressive Captain America's strength feats are, in my mind ripping steel off of a tractor with your bare hands, defeating the long list of opponents I posed, k.o.ing several super strong characters, knocking down a steel door with a wounded shoulder, throwing a shield through the a helicopter hundreds of feet away, cutting a truck nearly in half with a shield, catching up to and cutting through a rocket in flight, moving so fast that you are a blur to block incoming bullets, and impressing speedsters with your speed is pretty impressive to me. But maybe I'm the only one.
If you were actually a Cap fan you'd know that no, Wolverine is NOT stronger. Wolverine can briefly press "between 900lbs and 2 tons". Stronger than Cap? Nope.
Cap can press 1100lbs and has been known under stress to press up to 5 tons.
Wolverine is a skilled hand-to-hand combatant and knowns virtually every martial art, but Cap knows a fair amount and is a master of boxing and judo, which he mixes with his own style.
Also
Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.
Here.
Just search for Wolverine on the side if you wanna see what it says about him. Caps winning. ESPECIALLY with his shield.
Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
If you were actually a Cap fan you'd know that no, Wolverine is NOT stronger. Wolverine can briefly press "between 900lbs and 2 tons". Stronger than Cap? Nope.
Cap can press 1100lbs and has been known under stress to press up to 5 tons.Wolverine is a skilled hand-to-hand combatant and knowns virtually every martial art, but Cap knows a fair amount and is a master of boxing and judo, which he mixes with his own style.
Also
Here.
Just search for Wolverine on the side if you wanna see what it says about him. Caps winning. ESPECIALLY with his shield.
Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
If you were actually a Cap fan you'd know that no, Wolverine is NOT stronger. Wolverine can briefly press "between 900lbs and 2 tons". Stronger than Cap? Nope.
Cap can press 1100lbs and has been known under stress to press up to 5 tons.Wolverine is a skilled hand-to-hand combatant and knowns virtually every martial art, but Cap knows a fair amount and is a master of boxing and judo, which he mixes with his own style.
Also
Here.
Just search for Wolverine on the side if you wanna see what it says about him. Caps winning. ESPECIALLY with his shield.
Well, you're going by stats as well. If you looked at one cap it up's scans, then you would've seen Wolverine hanging from a wire cable with one arm and the other OUTSTRETCHED arm is hanging on to a cable car full of people. You actually think that a person who can barely lift 900lbs. to 2 tons could do that? Get real.
