Wolverine is one the the best at MA/H2H combat in both the Marvel and DC world. He does not use it that often. Even Captain America at peak human will be outlasted by Wolverine. Wolverine wins in time.
Wolverine beats most if not ALL human/peak human people in physical combat. Not due to the claws but due to his healing factor and super strong bones.
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
In all seriousness Cap can counter off the shield all day and hit Logans pressure points. Logan does still feel pain, right? If Cap plays it smart he should take the majority.
Do you know a dam thing about Logan..........honestly what you just said shows clear lack of knowledge.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
I think Cap has enough to put Wolverine down via K.O.; but one slip up on Cap's part and he's dead.
People say that Wolverine knows 101 styles of combat, but I personally don't recall many showings where he ever took the time or thought to distinctly alter his combat style, or demonstrate different styles tactically due to opponent, unless it's a very special scenario.
It always seems to be the same style of combat that he utilizes. I suppose he could have amalgamated multiple styles into one distinct style, but then I don't think it's fair to say he knows ever single style, ever n' ever. Especially when Capt would have a knowledge and expierience of how Wolverine fights.
I could be wrong, but I thought I'd throw that out there.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
People say that Wolverine knows 101 styles of combat, but I personally don't recall many showings where he ever took the time or thought to distinctly alter his combat style, or demonstrate different styles tactically due to opponent, unless it's a very special scenario.It always seems to be the same style of combat that he utilizes. I suppose he could have amalgamated multiple styles into one distinct style, but then I don't think it's fair to say he knows ever single style, ever n' ever. Especially when Capt would have a knowledge and expierience of how Wolverine fights.
I could be wrong, but I thought I'd throw that out there.
You are wrong. Since he been stated knowing every style on earth. Every ahnd book since god know when says the same thing.
He been shown teaching kitty many different styles of combat. Hell he knows more then 13 different samuria styles of combat that only he and master Ogun know.
Logans entire style Of combat is a mixture of many different form of fighting. He fighting has shown to change depeneding on what is needed.
Why would capt have know or experience in how wolverine fights?
If any thing Logan would have knowledge on how capt fights but not vice versa.
Logan during war world two used far different weapons then he does now. Capt on the other hand wields the same weapon.
Also most of the time Logan has no need to alter his moves since his style of comabt is perfect for him.
Because of the fact that Logan's main power is his healing factor, he is all too often depicted to be a reckless, relentless brawler. Because this would easily show off his healing ability from the writer's point of view.
Cap however is infamous for his raw hand to hand skill and shield abilities. Since he has no powers other than being the pinnacle of human physical perfection, it's so much easier for writers to show off Cap's skills since he depends on it far more so than Wolverine.
So on paper, Cap is the more skilled fighter and Logan is the more metahuman brawler.
I think this fight is a toss up to me.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Because of the fact that Logan's main power is his healing factor, he is all too often depicted to be a reckless, relentless brawler. Because this would easily show off his healing ability from the writer's point of view.Cap however is infamous for his raw hand to hand skill and shield abilities. Since he has no powers other than being the pinnacle of human physical perfection, it's so much easier for writers to show off Cap's skills since he depends on it far more so than Wolverine.
So on paper, Cap is the more skilled fighter and Logan is the more metahuman brawler.
I think this fight is a toss up to me.
If you read wolverine you would know thats not the case. Logan has had entire arcs dedicated to showing him trianing and using nothing but skill.
he had arcs wer ehis pwoers are taken away.
The dude shows his skills all the time if you read his stories.
Honestly there really nothing ive seen capt do that would put him even remotly beyond wolverien in skill.
Acatully Logans fighting style reminds me most of Mix martial arts fighters.
Honestly I don't even know how thsi could be a toss.up.
one stabb capts dead.........20 shots to Logans head and he fine.........come on now.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI didn't say he didn't know them. The question was about utilization.
You are wrong. Since he been stated knowing every style on earth. Every ahnd book since god know when says the same thing.
Originally posted by BattlehammerUtilization, not knowledge.
He been shown teaching kitty many different styles of combat. Hell he knows more then 13 different samuria styles of combat that only he and master Ogun know.
Originally posted by BattlehammerScans?
Logans entire style Of combat is a mixture of many different form of fighting. He fighting has shown to change depeneding on what is needed.
Originally posted by BattlehammerCapt is SHIELD and a master tactician, and Wolverine is reknowned.
Why would capt have know or experience in how wolverine fights?If any thing Logan would have knowledge on how capt fights but not vice versa.
Logan during war world two used far different weapons then he does now. Capt on the other hand wields the same weapon.
Originally posted by BattlehammerThanks for agreeing with me...
Also most of the time Logan has no need to alter his moves since his style of comabt is perfect for him.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I didn't say he didn't know them. The question was about utilization.Utilization, not knowledge.
Scans?
Capt is SHIELD and a master tactician, and Wolverine is reknowned.
Thanks for agreeing with me...
I don't have a scann, But how about his fight with shang-chi? He went at shange chi using more judo and muy tia type style.
Or how about when he attacked capt in origins he used a pressure point attack some thing he normally does not use, but he even mention to capt while doing it that you gotta learn new attacks.
The reaono logan does not alter or use new attacks on average is there no need. That does not mean he can't or does not know countless other styles of combat. When using a sword his fighting style tends to change to a more samuria like form. Logans vast knowledge and mastery of other forms have help him greatly while in combat becuase he knows how to react to others styles.
Logan might be reknowned but harldy any one knows his fighting style.
Hell taskmaster mention he pay huge money for footage Of logan style of combat.
It not likly cap tknow it well att all. Capt saw him in world war 2 wield swords and ( two wooden sticks) forgett what there called.
Logan knowledge on capts style would be rather better then capts knowledge of Logans style.
Not that it matter. there practically equals in fighting skill. That just makes this the mroe loop sided. Even with out Logans healing factor it be a toss up. With it capts done for.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Granted, there are a couple examples, but I really don't see Logan's vast knowledge giving him much of an edge, when he hardly utilizes it.Meh, going to do something else now. I respectfully disagree.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI never said Cap would win. And don't accuse me of poor reading comp. 😬
did you evenr ead what i said? I neevr said his knowledge giving him the edge..............I said they were equalls in combat but since Logan has a healing factor he wins readily.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Capt would literrally need to hit Wolverine 100 times before Logan hit him once........that be rediculous when the person he fight is just as skilled and knows far more styles of combat.
Here you seemed to imply that the knowledge of multiple styles held weight here. I disagree.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Id agree with that. I dont think Mister X is a beter fighter than Cap and Wolverine was scared of him if Mister X can scare Wolverine Cap ca KO him.
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Cap can KO wolverine based on the fact that Wolverine was supposedly scared of Mr. X?
That's some whack ass logic there...
And secondly, Wolverine was never at any point scared of Mr. X... as in.. at all.. He was baffled by X's actions during their fight, and he was stressed that he had to fight X.. but he showed no fear with X.
And Cap being a better fighter than X has nothing to do with anything.. X had skil but he didn't beat Logan based on his skill, he beat Logan in part because Logan had to fight his own personalized army earlier that night who hit Wolverine with every sort of weapon they had, and in part by his use of telepathy (which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it)...
And as Srank already pointed out to you earlier.. X thought cap was a joke, he thought Wolverine was a threat.. Using X doesn't not help a pro Cap argument.. Now Cap's lost two battles against Wolverine already, once against mind control and once against a taxed out healing factor and with help, he's been on the defensive end in a third. Wolverine beat his doppleganger, and finally Wolverine's killed him in at least two alternate universes.. How much more proof do we need?
Originally posted by jinzin
🤨Cap can KO wolverine based on the fact that Wolverine was supposedly scared of Mr. X?
That's some whack ass logic there...
No its not.
Originally posted by jinzin
And secondly, Wolverine was never at any point scared of Mr. X... as in.. at all.. He was baffled by X's actions during their fight, and he was stressed that he had to fight X.. but he showed no fear with X.
You remember the bit where Wolverine said "I cant let him wail on me with that thing." When X got out the ball and chain and didnt want X to hit him with it. Wasnt he choking Wolverine to death before Taskmaster saved him?
Originally posted by jinzin
And Cap being a better fighter than X has nothing to do with anything.. X had skil but he didn't beat Logan based on his skill, he beat Logan in part because Logan had to fight his own personalized army earlier that night who hit Wolverine with every sort of weapon they had, and in part by his use of telepathy (which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it)...
Earlier on that night.....oh so he had time to heal then.
Originally posted by jinzin
And as Srank already pointed out to you earlier.. X thought cap was a joke, he thought Wolverine was a threat.. Using X doesn't not help a pro Cap argument..
Srank cant debate. Just because he said that Captain Americas is a joke doesnt mean he is. How many people have thought that Cap was a joke and still got their asses kicked, even if he was that only due to this telepathy not skill.
Originally posted by jinzin
Now Cap's lost two battles against Wolverine already, once against mind control
Didnt Cap fight a bunch of werewolves before he met Wolverine? I was under the impression that werewolves were superhuman. Wasnt Wolverine fully rested?
Originally posted by jinzin
and once against a taxed out healing factor and with help, he's been on the defensive end in a third.
Do you want me to get quotes were you even said that Cap has more skilled and better at strategy than Wolverine and now you serioulsy expect to believe that a tired and hungry Wolverine can outsmart a fully amped Cap. Its PIS and you know it.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine beat his doppleganger, and finally Wolverine's killed him in at least two alternate universes.. How much more proof do we need?
Well no obvoulsy he beat the doppelganger and the one in alternate universe because fans wouldnt be able to tolerate Wolverine killing him for real, its just to please the fans, just like Origins theres no way that Wolverine in that condition is going to beat Cap in his peak but Wolverine is more popular so what can you do. *shrug* The fact of the matter X is not as skillful as Cap and almost killed Wolverine, Wolverine can get killed by people with enough skill.
Its not like where Cap was superior to a robot of Spiderman and then proceeded to beat the real Spiderman. Look at the fights.
1. Cap had just been through a gauntlet of werewolves and was not at his peak and not only that when Wolverine attacked him Cap couldnt see clearly but still managed to evade it. Wolverine was fully rested.
2. The second fight was PIS
3. I still think that Cap Koing Wolverine counts. Even though he got injured before im pretty sure he has taken more pûnishment than that. Wolverine knows what he is capable of taking and he said apparently "Ive never been hit so hard in my life." Which means there must have been truth to it.
Didnt Cap fight a bunch of werewolves before he met Wolverine? I was under the impression that werewolves were superhuman. Wasnt Wolverine fully rested?
If he's referencing the arc were Cap becomes a wolf. Logan did not win that fight.
A. Cap was trying to talk sense to Logan and was not going all out.
B. Moonrider interfered and shot a tranq at Cap. Logan was getting ready to slash but Cap was getting ready to black with shield and thats when Moonrider came into play.
You know im gonna play devils adocate here because I gotta to be fair.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
If he's referencing the arc were Cap becomes a wolf. Logan did not win that fight.A. Cap was trying to talk sense to Logan and was not going all out.
True but Cap did actually try to take him down and it didnt work. Sorry I have to say this but if I dont somebody else will.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
B. Moonrider interfered and shot a tranq at Cap. Logan was getting ready to slash but Cap was getting ready to black with shield and thats when Moonrider came into play.
In alll fairness it didnt look good for Cap. Now my rebuttal to what Jinzin is going to tell you is this.
1. Cap had gone through a gauntlet of werewolves and Wolverine was fully rested. Maybe if Cap hadnt gone thorugh the werewolves he would have Koed him.
2. There is nothing to say that Cap cant KO him because
a)US agent has done it
b)Mister X almost killed him
c) Cap Koed Wolverine in Enemy of State. I think the damage that Wolverine took is neglible but he has taken far worse and kept going