Captain America vs. Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
...and just so i can make this point absouletely clear. Wolverine is out in the DESERT! Of course his healing factor isnt replenshing itself, so what Wolverine is immune to intense heat and dehydration now.
Didnt Wolverine get ****ed by Wendigo once? What did he do he rested and he was able to heal because he wasnt in a harsh envinroment. We can see in that above scan that a major factor of him not replenshin himself was the desert.
Oh and another thing isnt he like WALKING through he desert for hundreds of miles???? 🤨 and you want to compare that to getting beaten and giving hour to heal and non-hostile envinronment. You know the difference between walking and resting right, there not the samething. Of course his bloody healing factor didnt replenish itself.

Which is why when he was on the bus earlier resting for who knows how long his healing factor failed to fight off the effects illustrated in the comic page Jinzin provided...

There's a difference between walking and resting, but what's the difference between resting and resting? 🤨

TheTick Restricted

Originally posted by Alfheim
I know. 😆 😆 😆 Im not coming near this forum until Monday. I know replying to your post is going to take sometime.
Hey your supposed to be on my side! 😛

Oh yeah sorry. 😂

Cap wins, the fanboys are stupid, Wolverine may have teh claws but Cap has teh shield. 😱

😆

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which is why when he was on the bus earlier resting for who knows how long his healing factor failed to fight off the effects illustrated in the comic page Jinzin provided...

Wasnt it boiling hot on the bus? Is baking heat the best envinromnet to heal. Doesnt disease spread in hot tempertaures, dont you get dehydrated in hot tempertaures.

So the walk in the desert didnt contribute to him not healing either?

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wasnt it boiling hot on the bus? Is baking heat the best envinromnet to heal. Doesnt disease spread in hot tempertaures, dont you get dehydrated in hot tempertaures.
So the walk in the desert didnt contribute to him not healing either?

Was it boiling hot in his room? Was it boiling hot in the arcade?

Can you prove that it was boiling hot on the bus?

High temperatures sterilize and kill disease... that's why we get fevers and our temperatures go up, its us fighting off the infection, its why fire can be used to sterilize needles... no, disease doesn't like heat.

You care to prove it was hot on the bus?

I can give you a hand in two ways, I can tell you which comic the bus ride was in, or I can tell you what was said around the time of the bus ride.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Was it boiling hot in his room? Was it boiling hot in the arcade?

What room? What arcade? You mentioned a bus thats what im refering to.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Can you prove that it was boiling hot on the bus?

Well because when he got off the bus....there was a desert.....so assuming that they were in a hot country and buses in hot countries tend to be hot.

Originally posted by Creshosk

High temperatures sterilize and kill disease... that's why we get fevers and our temperatures go up, its us fighting off the infection, its why fire can be used to sterilize needles... no, disease doesn't like heat.

Im not talking about fire....im talking about the weather. Food goess off more qucikly in hot countries...therefore infection spreads more quickly. Food would not go off in the north pole

Originally posted by Creshosk

You care to prove it was hot on the bus?
I can give you a hand in two ways, I can tell you which comic the bus ride was in, or I can tell you what was said around the time of the bus ride.

Maybe im wrong.....but if theres a desert outside my bus I would assume that it hot in the bus.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
What room? What arcade? You mentioned a bus thats what im refering to.

The room, and the arcade he was in where he was still suffering from the affliction that...

Y-you haven't read this comic have you? 😕

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well because when he got off the bus....there was a desert.....so assuming that they were in a hot country and buses in hot countries tend to be hot.

Unless air conditioned. Speculation in either case, it doesn't mention how hot it was in the bus.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not talking about fire....im talking about the weather. Food goess off more qucikly in hot countries...therefore infection spreads more quickly. Food would not go off in the north pole

Actually disease likes places that are cold and damp far more than places that are hot and dry.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Maybe im wrong.....but if theres a desert outside my bus I would assume that it hot in the bus.

If your bus didn't have air conditioning...

Now, it's wolverine 66 that the issue that contains the room, pub and bus.
And Jubilee ... heh ... heh ... heh
He's halucinating from what happened to him the entire time. While asleep resting in bed, after he wakes up, at the pub while playing a pinball machine... all of which are extremely taxing on the healing system let me tell you... the entire time he's headed out to Tyuratum, Russia... the time on the bus, and walking through the dessert...

Gee... must be hot and dry in the everywhere huh?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
The room, and the arcade he was in where he was still suffering from the affliction that...
Y-you haven't read this comic have you? 😕

No I havent you mentioed a bus to me so I started talkign about the bus. Do do the Bradock stutter on me thats patented!!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk

Unless air conditioned. Speculation in either case, it doesn't mention how hot it was in the bus.

Well if its in a hot country, the bus is going to be hot.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Actually disease likes places that are cold and damp far more than places that are hot and dry.

Lets put it this way, baking heat isnt the ideal envinronment for healing from wounds.

Originally posted by Creshosk

If your bus didn't have air conditioning...

What country was it? What sort of bus was it?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Now, it's wolverine 66 that the issue that contains the room, pub and bus.
And Jubilee ... heh ... heh ... heh
He's halucinating from what happened to him the entire time. While asleep resting in bed, after he wakes up, at the pub while playing a pinball machine... all of which are extremely taxing on the healing system let me tell you... the entire time he's headed out to Tyuratum, Russia... the time on the bus, and walking through the dessert...
Gee... must be hot and dry in the everywhere huh?

Look all I know is I saw a desert indicating he was in a hot country.

Caps Conscience Senior Member

I don't get how anything that was posted can indicate that it wasn't hot on the bus.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
The room, and the arcade he was in where he was still suffering from the affliction that...
Y-you haven't read this comic have you? 😕
Unless air conditioned. Speculation in either case, it doesn't mention how hot it was in the bus.
Actually disease likes places that are cold and damp far more than places that are hot and dry.
If your bus didn't have air conditioning...
Now, it's wolverine 66 that the issue that contains the room, pub and bus.
And Jubilee ... heh ... heh ... heh
He's halucinating from what happened to him the entire time. While asleep resting in bed, after he wakes up, at the pub while playing a pinball machine... all of which are extremely taxing on the healing system let me tell you... the entire time he's headed out to Tyuratum, Russia... the time on the bus, and walking through the dessert...
Gee... must be hot and dry in the everywhere huh?

Forget it dont respond to my post. Im not interested had enough.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no no no no no no no. What I said went completely over your head I elaborated on this on my last post. Forget about fear, what im asking you to do is intepret "Cant let him wail on me with that thing." What does that mean???

No it didn't...
I'm not going to just forget about the fear comment because that's the whole reason why we're now lodged into this argument.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Id agree with that. I dont think Mister X is a beter fighter than Cap and Wolverine was scared of him if Mister X can scare Wolverine Cap ca KO him.

So if a guy scares Wolverine Cap can KO him? The he hell kind of logic is that? It makes absolutely no sense. And I already explained this to you, Wolverine saying he can't let X cut loose with the mace was nothin more than a logical fighting assessment.. X is dangerous, with weapons X is more dangerous, I can't let him be dangerous with weapons.. Again, is Cap "scared" everytime he has to dodge or block an incoming attack? Obviously not, but by your logic he must be.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I stopped using the word fear. Why does Captain America put his shield up? What would happen if Captain America didnt put his shield up? Do you get it?

You stopped using fear because your initial argument was a cluster**** and you know it.. If you hadn't made that first comment we wouldn't be debating now.. but you did, you stuck to your guns saying it WASN'T horrible logic and that you're trying to misdirect the conversation to suit your needs.
He'd get hurt.. So it's more intelligent for him not to get hurt.. the same way it's more intelligent for Wolverine to stop a dangerous villain from using a dangerous weapon.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Your not telling me anything I dont know. What I said again went completely over your head again....Wolverines healign factor gets depleted over time but dont make a big deal about him being beaten up by goons when:
a) Hes taken shots from the Hulk and kept going.
b) Taken shots from an Elder God.
..and your trying to make a big deal about him being beaten by goons?? Your probably not going to get it are you? My points is if the energy in his bar is reduced it wouldnt have been that much. Furthermore in that scans Wolverine is in a harsh envinronment before fighting X he wasnt.

And once again, you know Wolverine better than I do.. HA! Wolverine was shot, stabbed, blown up, strangled, stabbed again and again.....and again, eviscerated, gutted, punched by an Ogun inhabited body, set on fire. He clearly lost a lot of blood, fluids and tissue, you can't tell me that any fight he had after fighting a personalized army like that is a fair one that's useable for the forums.. you just can't, and apparenlty that's over your head.

Originally posted by Alfheim
S-ranks response is this

And? He's not wrong you know... It's common knowledge that Shang Chi can amp himself with chi to super human levels. Hell in their only encounter Shang Chi proved it. And if you don't know about the characters in a thread your posting in, you don't belong there if you want to be making arguments.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You dont even get what I said, I hope you get it this time.
Yes it does as explained.

Wishful thinking...
So Captain America's punishment dish out factor is as high as X, and Ogun possessed body, and a personalized army compined? 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
What you really want to make a big deal about this when the guys cant do as much damage as the Hulk or an Elder God and had hours to heal! Your trying to make out that he was at deaths dooor or he was exhausted, compared to what hes been through thats nothing. Besides your being a hypocrite when Wolverine fought Cap you said he was fully rested obvoulsy because he had time to heal

Hours? he had at most 2 or 3.. It was already late in the night before Wolverine fought the army, he fought them indefinitely and then later that same night fights X...
Sorry but Wolverine hasn't had to fight X after fighting Hulk so that's examples pointless.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok since you wanna be a smart ass heres your quote.

Give me a link to the full quote because I'm sure your taking things out of context here.. I don't even know where you pulled that quote from.. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Can you see how your a hypocrite can you see how your changing your argument to suit you? Can you see how when you know that Wolverine should be fully rested and healed that actually now your changing your mind.

Changing my argument to suit me? remember this?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Id agree with that. I dont think Mister X is a beter fighter than Cap and Wolverine was scared of him if Mister X can scare Wolverine Cap ca KO him.

Again I need to see the context to which I said this..

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Right so now you dont even know what outsmart means you kill me.

No I don't know what YOU mean when you say outsmart.. you're having some MAJOR comprehension problems in this debate my friend..

Originally posted by Alfheim
God I dont wanna go over this again....what does lack of sleep do? It messes with your thinking. What does hunger do? It messes with his thinking. What so Wolverine slicing Caps leg wasnt a strategy?

More like a reaction to what Cap did... Strategies are something you come up with in advance and THEN try to execute during the fight. Hurting Cap's leg probably wasn't something Wolverine was planning on. It's like boxing, you throw a punch, I sidestep and give you a kidney shot.. It's more a reaction than a strategy.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap is at his peak and is abetter strategist and gets out thought by somebody who is less skilled at strategy and is starving and has been awake for days. You are taking the piss.

Again, you don't specify when you say out thought. Wolverine used his fighting skill which we all know he has, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but Wolverine doesnt spend all his time training so Cap caught up. Cap is more intelligent so he can learn quicker. The Korvac sagaa gave Cap 1000s of years of experience.

You're right, he spends more of his time fighting... And I've heard your rants about the Korvac saga, I'm backing S-rank on this one. Aside from that for someone who likes to tell me how much is going over my head, you're not exactly catching trains of thought to well today are ya?
I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT SKILL HERE... what I'm reffering to is Wolverine's deeper knowledge of the inner workings of the governments and conspiracies world wide. Wolverine knows a LOT more about it than Cap.
For instance, Wolverine knew no one was coming to evac them from the fight location.. Cap thought there was because he thought he recieved a legit order from the president.
That's the only other point I could possibly see where you might feel Wolverine outright outsmarted Cap. So it's relivent.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im talking about MAs! Cap doesnt have lows showings against fighters and the proceed to beat people who are superior to him. His MA skills are consistent.

Usually neither does Wolverine unless there's something wrong with him first. Wolverine beats other MA's who are SUPPOSEDLY his superior because he's also a superhuman, not JUST a skilled fighter.

Originally posted by Alfheim
.....and its gone over his head....again. Shang was recovering from drugs while fighting Zaran so thats more impressive

I'm beginning to think you're reffering to yourself by this point..
again... WOLVERINE BEAT ZARAN BACK WHILE DRUGGED AS WELL.... He did the exact same thing so it's no more impressive.. as in... at all....

Originally posted by Alfheim
What the What IF issue???? 🤨

You didn't answer my question. What issue?
And yes, that's the last issue they've fought eachother in.. I'm just staing facts not my opinion about them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah we are because what that proves is that Wolverine has less skill than DD or Cap and that skilled fighters can KO or kill him, therefore when wolverine dodged Sticks attacks it was PIS and so was him outthinking Cap.

No we're not... His skill level is only ONE factor of MANY that he can rely on to fight skilled opponents. He doesn't have to be more skilled than someone to STOMP them if he's outskilled.. Ogun for instance, once Wolverine's in a berserker rage, Oguns superior skill didn't matter one spit...

And once again...He didn't out think Cap... (sigh) Again Wolverine does things to prove your points wrong and you call it PIS.. you think that the times Wolverine has trouble with street levels is the standard and not the other way around, in spite of the fact that when he does he's usually messed up first... and once again you're changing your position to suit you... this isn't a "who's more skilled debate" it's about you thinking that people with enough skill can kill Wolverine and that Cap;s somewhere in that region.. which is nonsense.

Originally posted by Alfheim
PIS Punisher has deflected DDs billyclub on numerous occassions and evaded a suprise attack by Cap, but she still manages to take the gun from Franks hand. Is elecktra better than DD or Cap....no?

Elektra to my knowledge has never fought Cap, Elektra HAS humiliated DD though, her main drawback to fighting DD is her CIS because no matter what she still loves him. Hell Taskmaster proved that..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Luke Cage KO Elecktra..yeah thats what I thought

For one, a class 40 character knocking out a skilled MA first tier or not, doesn't disprove their skill level... and secondly.. that was a skrull. Where have you been? And THIRDLY, no, he actually was about to get set aflame.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You havnet done a damn thing.

I've posted pics and examples to support MY argument, I've posted pics and examples to disprove yours, and you've.... well you've called PIS repeatidly.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt change the fcat that the damage done by his army should have been neglible.

And you know, because you were there, and you know Wolverine's damage soak better than him or I... right?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just because he didnt KO him doesnt mean he cant from What Wolverine said he could have. Batroc can KO Cap but he hasnt.

Umm no... "I can't let him cut loose with that thing" doesn't equate to "he can knock me the **** out"...

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* He retracted his claws....why the hell did Namor say wolverine tried to kill him....is it maybe because the claws sunk into his chest. So wolverine tries to kill Namor by punching him in his chest....geeeezzz.

Because that's what Namor thought... Which doesn't dictate as much proof as Wolverine hitting an already stated non vital region instead of the neck or head and then retracting his claws with a follow up punch.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Really...

Is that quoted from the beginning of the thread?

If so that makes sense.. I didn't have all the comics to that arc yet, I only had a marginal idea of the story as a whole.. I have them all know, I've read them all recently and I'm entitled to change an opinion after becoming far more educated in the matter..

In any case you think that one uniformed opinion vs. an informed one is what's important here when it isn't.. what's important are the facts, and everything I've stated about what happened before that fight in my last couple of posts happen to be true.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What cyke and havok were trying to kill him?

It's irrelivent if they were or not, they WERE trying to subdue him and they WERE trying to inflict damage... It also didn't help that Wolverine came out of a plane crash before that too.. 😬

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
...and just so i can make this point absouletely clear. Wolverine is out in the DESERT! Of course his healing factor isnt replenshing itself, so what Wolverine is immune to intense heat and dehydration now.

Oh I see so it's: Captain America>>>> Mr. X>>>>> a half a day of walking through a desert >>>>> hulk >>>>>>>>army.... I gotcha... 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Wolverine get ****ed by Wendigo once? What did he do he rested and he was able to heal because he wasnt in a harsh envinroment. We can see in that above scan that a major factor of him not replenshin himself was the desert.

Ummm no.... it was an ADDITIONAL FACTOR... the fact that he had been shot before this scan and lost blood and fluids from it... and the fact the he wasn't replenishing himself....

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh and another thing isnt he like WALKING through he desert for hundreds of miles???? 🤨 and you want to compare that to getting beaten and giving hour to heal and non-hostile envinronment. You know the difference between walking and resting right, there not the samething. Of course his bloody healing factor didnt replenish itself.

So now you think I'm equating walking to resting?

🤨

Anyways.. he had 100 miles to go BEFORE this scan...

Again.. you think: Captain America>>>> Mr. X>>>>> a half a day of walking through a desert >>>>> hulk >>>>>>>>army

That's all that really needs to be said here... 😐

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
No it didn't...
I'm not going to just forget about the fear comment because that's the whole reason why we're now lodged into this argument.
So if a guy scares Wolverine Cap can KO him? The he hell kind of logic is that? It makes absolutely no sense. And I already explained this to you, Wolverine saying he can't let X cut loose with the mace was nothin more than a logical fighting assessment.. X is dangerous, with weapons X is more dangerous, I can't let him be dangerous with weapons.. Again, is Cap "scared" everytime he has to dodge or block an incoming attack? Obviously not, but by your logic he must be.

Ok look i'll deal with your points later but you still dont get it do you? This is the point im trying to make.....cap blocks with his shield beacuse he can get serioulsy hurt if he doesnt. Wolverine dindt want to get hit with the mace because....it would serioulsy hurt him.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok look i'll deal with your points later but you still dont get it do you? This is the point im trying to make.....cap blocks with his shield beacuse he can get serioulsy hurt if he doesnt. Wolverine dindt want to get hit with the mace because....it would serioulsy hurt him.

It might, it IS a weapon in the hands of a dangerous man..

Does that dictate that Wolverine was scared? NO.
Does that dictate that Mr. X can KO wolverine without help? NO
Does that dictate that Cap can KO Logan? NO
Does that dictate that Cap wins? NO...

So why bring it up?

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
No I havent you mentioed a bus to me so I started talkign about the bus. Do do the Bradock stutter on me thats patented!!!!

Here I thought you'd red the comic.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if its in a hot country, the bus is going to be hot.

unless air conditioned.

It can be 107 degrees outside a place and 72 degrees inside it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets put it this way, baking heat isnt the ideal envinronment for healing from wounds.

And where is? Obviously not his bed back at the x-mansion... cause he hadn't recoered there... not at the pub where he played pinball, still hallucinating from what was done to him there... obviously nowhere in his travels to his destination.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What country was it?

Well he was headed to Tyuratam in Kazakhstan...

Originally posted by Alfheim
What sort of bus was it?

Looks like a passenger bus to me.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look all I know is I saw a desert indicating he was in a hot country.

which discounts the places he was before and after the desert, doesn't it?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
It might, it IS a weapon in the hands of a dangerous man..

Exactly.

Originally posted by jinzin

Does that dictate that Wolverine was scared? NO.

Didnt I retract that statement 100 years ago.

Originally posted by jinzin

Does that dictate that Mr. X can KO wolverine without help? NO
Does that dictate that Cap can KO Logan? NO
Does that dictate that Cap wins? NO...
So why bring it up?

Well you just stated that he might be able to KO him. I'll deal with the other posts later.

jinzin Senior Member

Didnt I retract that statement 100 years ago.[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually it was only a couple pages ago, and isn't that why we started debating in the first place? It has relivence.. cause if it's not then you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well you just stated that he might be able to KO him. I'll deal with the other posts later.

Ummm no... you said that the mace would seriously hurt Wolverine.. I said it might...

I made no mention of a knock out... Either that's going "over your head" or you're delusional.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Here I thought you'd red the comic.
unless air conditioned.

Does it come as a surprise to you that he hasn't/doesn't read the books?

He's nearly as bad as C was.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Didnt I retract that statement 100 years ago.
Actually it was only a couple pages ago, and isn't that why we started debating in the first place? It has relivence.. cause if it's not then you're just arguing for the sake of it.

So you wanna nitpick? Its not enough enough that I retrected the statement straight after I said it ....in fcat what I said was that I didnt express myself properly. Can you see how your focusing on something thats not relevant anymore. Do you know its really annoying when I correct myself but you keep going on about it.

Originally posted by jinzin

Ummm no... you said that the mace would seriously hurt Wolverine.. I said it might...
I made no mention of a knock out... Either that's going "over your head" or you're delusional.

So its irrattional to think that if you can seriously hurt somebody you can KO them as well?

Originally posted by jinzin
Does it come as a surprise to you that he hasn't/doesn't read the books?
He's nearly as bad as C was.

Look im offended by that. You know why? I love comics but there is a specific reason why im not collecting them at the moment so I would appreciate it fi you did not make remarks like that.