Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not.
Yes it is.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You remember the bit where Wolverine said "I cant let him wail on me with that thing." When X got out the ball and chain and didnt want X to hit him with it. Wasnt he choking Wolverine to death before Taskmaster saved him?
Having enough to know that a highly skilled fighter getting ahold of weapons isn't a good thing isn't being scared, it's being smart...
And yes, but you honestly think he was helpless there?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Earlier on that night.....oh so he had time to heal then.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Srank cant debate. Just because he said that Captain Americas is a joke doesnt mean he is. How many people have thought that Cap was a joke and still got their asses kicked, even if he was that only due to this telepathy not skill.
And that's precisely the point, you can't compare X to cap, X was skilled AND a telepath.. And the only thing he had going for him was when Wolverine didn't know he was a telepath... Cap isn't a telepath.
he's not comparible.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Cap fight a bunch of werewolves before he met Wolverine? I was under the impression that werewolves were superhuman. Wasnt Wolverine fully rested?
Wrong on both counts.
Cap did fight a bunch of werewolves before he fought Wolves but not right before, it was the night before. So he wasn't fatigued, which, he wouldn't be cause of you know, the fact that he took no punihsment from the werewolves, he fought them for about 4 panels, had druids help, and on top of that has the serum which prevents that kinda thing anyways.
But if that's the argument, Wolverine ALSO fought an entire host of werewolves before that fight, infact he invaded their town, without his claws, and caused so much trouble that monnhunter had to come out to deal with him shooting Wolverine point plant with a double berral shot gun repreatidly before he went down, he was then drugged sedated and subjected to their expirements trying to turn him into a werewolf which didn't take because of the HF kept fighting to supress it, so by all right's Wolverine had far more wear and tear than Cap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Do you want me to get quotes were you even said that Cap has more skilled and better at strategy than Wolverine and now you serioulsy expect to believe that a tired and hungry Wolverine can outsmart a fully amped Cap. Its PIS and you know it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well no obvoulsy he beat the doppelganger and the one in alternate universe because fans wouldnt be able to tolerate Wolverine killing him for real, its just to please the fans, just like Origins theres no way that Wolverine in that condition is going to beat Cap in his peak but Wolverine is more popular so what can you do. *shrug* The fact of the matter X is not as skillful as Cap and almost killed Wolverine, Wolverine can get killed by people with enough skill.
No he can't.
Wolverine's toyed with sticks attacks, dropped zaran in about 5 panals after he recovered from being drugged, he's outright RAILED through Ogun, he's curbed stomped Junzo who made Iron Fist look like an ameature, he killed Shingen, outstrategized Elektra...
The only times very skilled people have managed to be a thorn in his side is when he's already worn down by something else.
Cap didn't almos kill Wolverine, it wasthe other way around... 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not like where Cap was superior to a robot of Spiderman and then proceeded to beat the real Spiderman. Look at the fights.
Originally posted by Alfheim
1. Cap had just been through a gauntlet of werewolves and was not at his peak and not only that when Wolverine attacked him Cap couldnt see clearly but still managed to evade it. Wolverine was fully rested.
Originally posted by Alfheim
2. The second fight was PIS
That's not a fact, that's an opinion from a very subjective cap fan, no offense.. but likewise Spiderman supporters say his civil war fight with cap was PIS.. you see how that works?
Originally posted by AlfheimHe just took full blasts from cyclops and havoc, a couple panels before that happened he said something along the lines of he was hard pressed to remember when he's been so messed up... He has taken more punishment before sure but you're ignoring the point, the example's still not legit and it was STILL a cheapshot... 😬
3. I still think that Cap Koing Wolverine counts. Even though he got injured before im pretty sure he has taken more pûnishment than that.
Originally posted by AlfheimHe never said that when cap hit him.. 😐
Wolverine knows what he is capable of taking and he said apparently "Ive never been hit so hard in my life." Which means there must have been truth to it.
Originally posted by JasonK4
Cap said he was not going to hold back. 😐
Wasn't going to hold back with "one" punch hoping it would knock some sense into Logan.
Imagine if he had continued doing so. But instead Cap puts him in a hold and continues to do what?
Talk to him as he gets a adamantium head butt.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes it is.
No...its not.
Originally posted by jinzin
Having enough to know that a highly skilled fighter getting ahold of weapons isn't a good thing isn't being scared, it's being smart...
And yes, but you honestly think he was helpless there?
Ok maybe you misunderstood me.......Wolverine said "I cant let him wail on me with that thing." .....which means "If I allow him to hit me what that hes going to serioulsy **** me up."
Originally posted by jinzin
You're ignoring how his healing factor works, it gets taxed out over time.. the more damage he takes the harder his healing factor has to work, the slower it gets, the less effective it gets.. yes he healed, but he wasn't at 100%, far from it.
Jin he got beaten up by a bunch of goons right and had several hours to heal. Considering hes taken more damage than that and healed. Wolverine has been run right through with a blade and healed quickly , healed from bullet wounds in minutes. He gets beaten by a bunch of goons AND gets hours to heal and hes not at 100 percent? His healing factor had time to recover.
Originally posted by jinzin
What the hell do you mean S-rank can't debate? He's one of the best damned debators here.
Look at the Batman vs Shang Chi thread..maybe he was having a bad day.
Originally posted by jinzin
And that's precisely the point, you can't compare X to cap, X was skilled AND a telepath.. And the only thing he had going for him was when Wolverine didn't know he was a telepath... Cap isn't a telepath.
he's not comparible.
You dont understand.
1. Just because he says Cap is nothing doesnt mean its true, does it?
2. Even if it were true his telepathy is what makes him superior. Telepathy enables you to counter moves it doesnt not however give you a better ability to KO somebody ie hit harder and have more knowledge of pressure points.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wrong on both counts.Cap did fight a bunch of werewolves before he fought Wolves but not right before, it was the night before. So he wasn't fatigued, which, he wouldn't be cause of you know, the fact that he took no punihsment from the werewolves, he fought them for about 4 panels, had druids help, and on top of that has the serum which prevents that kinda thing anyways.
But if that's the argument, Wolverine ALSO fought an entire host of werewolves before that fight, infact he invaded their town, without his claws, and caused so much trouble that monnhunter had to come out to deal with him shooting Wolverine point plant with a double berral shot gun repreatidly before he went down, he was then drugged sedated and subjected to their expirements trying to turn him into a werewolf which didn't take because of the HF kept fighting to supress it, so by all right's Wolverine had far more wear and tear than Cap.
I havnet read the comic in a long time but im getting the impression that your just looking for excuses to put it in Wolverine favour. Wolverine had plenty of time to heal and rest he was rested and you even said so yourself. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
Lol, and that hasn't changed, I do think that Cap is a better strategist, I do think that he employs more skill than Wolverine but Wolverine's not far enough behind him in those categories to make it a major advantage in Cap's favor... I've already explained you my rationale about this fight and I don't consider it PIS. Cap getting ahold of the Muramasa blade, now that's PIS.
I dont give a damn about the blade the whole things crap. What explanation did you give it obvously wasnt very good. You yourself just admitted he was better at strategy than Wolverine even when hes fully rested. So please explain how a starving Wolverine who hasnt slept for days gets to outsmart somebody who is better at strategy and is fully rested?
Originally posted by jinzin
No he can't.Wolverine's toyed with sticks attacks,
Nonsense. Wolverines got so many low showings of him unable to dodge less skilled people or people on the similar caliber I count that as PIS.
Originally posted by jinzin
dropped zaran in about 5 panals after he recovered from being drugged,
Oh so he recovered from being drugged did he? Shang has beaten Zaran while trying to recover from drugs, so in other words from that example Shang is the better fighter. Is this the guy who ran from Cap? Zaran isnt even top tier
Originally posted by jinzin
he's outright RAILED through Ogun, he's curbed stomped Junzo who made Iron Fist look like an ameature, he killed Shingen,
Didnt IF recently have a fight with Wolverine and looked like the better opponent? Even in the Shingen fight it was just his bones and healing factor he would have been dead, you can actually see in the fight if it wasnt for hsi metal bones he would hav died, he used his arm to block the sword blows but all of a sudden hes dodging an MA who is better, nonsense.
Originally posted by jinzin
outstrategized Elektra...
Elecktra isnt top tier.
Originally posted by jinzin
The only times very skilled people have managed to be a thorn in his side is when he's already worn down by something else.
Theres till the Miserter X example your explanatiion was not satfictory.
Cap didn't almos kill Wolverine, it wasthe other way around... 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
It's exactly like that actually..
he beats the doppleganger, he beats the alternates, he beats the real thing...
Didnt AOA Wolverine kill Namor. What happened in Namor issue 3, exactly. Theres no way Wolverine is gonna kill Namor in this timeline.
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is a skewed interpretation due to what I already told you.
No I think you have the skewered intepretation becsue you have already said that Wolverine was fully rested, now you've decided that hes not.
Originally posted by jinzin
That's not a fact, that's an opinion from a very subjective cap fan, no offense.. but likewise Spiderman supporters say his civil war fight with cap was PIS.. you see how that works?
How....dare you. Im not the one who said Wolverine was fully rested and then decided to change their mind...I dunno man that doesnt look very good to me. Ive already given my reasons for it being PIS and I want an explanation. 😒:
Originally posted by jinzin
He just took full blasts from cyclops and havoc, a couple panels before that happened he said something along the lines of he was hard pressed to remember when he's been so messed up... He has taken more punishment before sure but you're ignoring the point, the example's still not legit and it was STILL a cheapshot... 😬
That dont mean a damn thing. What it shows is that Cap can KO him....but obvoulsy in a fight he wouldnt be able to do it that easily. Regardles of what Wolverine has said you know hes taken far more damage so he still had lots of petrol in the tank.
Originally posted by jinzinHe never said that when cap hit him.. 😐
my bad.
Furthermore lets have a look at the Wolverine vs Shingen fight.
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Can you see how Shingen is kicking his ass?
Can you see where wolverine blocks the blade with his arms...I dunno man something tells me if he didnt have adamantuim bones that would have gone through his arms.
No HF no Adamntuim bones = dead Wolverine. This is precicely why he hasnt earned the right to dodge Sticks attacks and outsmart Captain America. Isnt this guy less killed than Ogun and Stick.
Its not a good showing for Wolverine its a bloody good showing for Shingen.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You know im gonna play devils adocate here because I gotta to be fair.True but Cap did actually try to take him down and it didnt work. Sorry I have to say this but if I dont somebody else will.
Yes Cap did try with one punch and didn't hold back as Cap stated that himself. But he didn't repeat the process and ended up still trying to talk Logan out of the fight instead of engaging him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No...its not.
I respectfully disagree with you sir.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok maybe you misunderstood me.......Wolverine said "I cant let him wail on me with that thing." .....which means "If I allow him to hit me what that hes going to serioulsy **** me up."
Unless you think Cap's "scared" everytime he uses his sheild to block something coming at him... It's horrible rationale alf.
It's like me thinking that Cap's scared of Wolverine for him saying "must raise my shield"... lol.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Jin he got beaten up by a bunch of goons right and had several hours to heal. Considering hes taken more damage than that and healed. Wolverine has been run right through with a blade and healed quickly , healed from bullet wounds in minutes. He gets beaten by a bunch of goons AND gets hours to heal and hes not at 100 percent? His healing factor had time to recover.
😂 I love how people like to come into threads and think they're going to tell me more about Wolverine than I know.. ME of all people.. I mean please, it's insulting...
And to answer you're question... No, not unless he's had some sleep and nurishment in between that time..
Don't belive me? It's no surprise most people never do:
Imagine Wolverine's like a character from a sidecrolling fighting game, you hit somebody with a hado ken in the face, they're still up, they're still fighting, they probably have no real signs of damage, but you look up at the top of the screen and they only have half a bar of life left in them...
The more damage Wolverine takes the less it takes to put him down, he heals but all the same, it takes it's toll on him.
Wolverine got put through the ringer, he even SAID that he was messed up still and then Cap KOed him from behind.. it's not a legit example for anything here on the forums. Can you find me one example of Cap knocking out Wolverine in an actual fight? No you can't.. and there's a reason for that.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Look at the Batman vs Shang Chi thread..maybe he was having a bad day.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou mean like Wolverine thinking he doesn't need to be hit by a mace doesn't mean he's scared?
You dont understand.1. Just because he says Cap is nothing doesnt mean its true, does it?
Or that Wolverine being scared of ANYONE else doesn't mean Cap can take him in a fight?
The fact remains using X as an example for Cap isn't a shoe that fits.
Originally posted by Alfheim
2. Even if it were true his telepathy is what makes him superior. Telepathy enables you to counter moves it doesnt not however give you a better ability to KO somebody ie hit harder and have more knowledge of pressure points.
Exactly, which is what makes him NOT COMPARIBLE when using him as a reference for what Cap can do to Wolverine.
And no it doesn't allow to KO people with less force or skill, but using a full scale army and assassins against a man before the fight in question takes place.. does.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I havnet read the comic in a long time but im getting the impression that your just looking for excuses to put it in Wolverine favour. Wolverine had plenty of time to heal and rest he was rested and you even said so yourself. 😐
No I said he was sedated.. drugged to keep him surpressed, which was given his healing factor even MORE to heal aside from the Werewolf transformation itself.
I'm not looking for anything..you're the one that brought up the werewolves to put Cap in favor even though he has a serum that's supposed to falt out stop fatigue and such....
and you were wrong.. Flat out wrong, plain and simple. You can't get mad at me for what you did first.
Originally posted by AlfheimIt "obviously" wasn't good because you're "obvious" bias towards Cap allowed you to discard it? Pathetic.
I dont give a damn about the blade the whole things crap. What explanation did you give it obvously wasnt very good. You yourself just admitted he was better at strategy than Wolverine even when hes fully rested. So please explain how a starving Wolverine who hasnt slept for days gets to outsmart somebody who is better at strategy and is fully rested?
How did Wolverine outsmart Cap in the first place? What the hell are you talking about?
They fought, and Cap was being tricky, Wolverine used his intimate knowledge of the human body to defend himself and they were both messed up, Wolverine's HF gave him an advantage.
The only other thing I see where you might possibly mistake Wolverine's knowledge for outsmarting Cap, was when he was buying time, and that just makes sense.. Of course Wolverine would have more knowledge of the inner workings of the government than Cap, he has heavily more involved in government agencies far more than that of Cap... Furthermore Wolverine wasn't forzen in a block of ice for years on end. So he didn't miss much while Cap did.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Nonsense. Wolverines got so many low showings of him unable to dodge less skilled people or people on the similar caliber I count that as PIS.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh so he recovered from being drugged did he? Shang has beaten Zaran while trying to recover from drugs, so in other words from that example Shang is the better fighter. Is this the guy who ran from Cap? Zaran isnt even top tier.
Actually no it's not, Wolverine beat Zaran back when he was ON drugs as well, he just did it faster without them which was the point I was getting at.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt IF recently have a fight with Wolverine and looked like the better opponent?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Even in the Shingen fight it was just his bones and healing factor he would have been dead, you can actually see in the fight if it wasnt for hsi metal bones he would hav died, he used his arm to block the sword blows but all of a sudden hes dodging an MA who is better, nonsense.
SO WHAT? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HIS SKILL LEVEL, We're talking about him taking down skilled fighters.. which he does with his skill and his powers.. Hulk doesn't have to be skilled to beat Cap, but his skill isn't the point, him beating Cap into tomatoe paste is. The same princible holds true here, stop changing pace here.
Originally posted by AlfheimOh please, since when?
Elecktra isnt top tier..
And once again you said skilled fighters NOT TOP TIER, stop changing pace when I prove you wrong.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Theres till the Miserter X example your explanatiion was not satfictory.
Only to your unyeilding Bias.. funny how X couldn't do that again without his army the next two times they fought, oh that's right when Wolverine doesn't have an army to fight before X he DOESN'T get Koed!
Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap didn't almos kill Wolverine, it wasthe other way around... 😐
You mean when he was on the ground clutching his chest in pain?
😕
you're bias here is out of control.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt AOA Wolverine kill Namor. What happened in Namor issue 3, exactly. Theres no way Wolverine is gonna kill Namor in this timeline.
He could have done it in their firts encounter.
He fought him to a stalemate mindcontrolled, and Namor admitted he couldn't beat Logan.
He ALMOST killed Namor in New Invaders until U.S. Agent came to save him.
He ALMOST did it again, until Namor's royal guards came to his rescue.
He COULD HAVE DONE IT AGAIN when he punched Namor in the underwater fight when he retracted his claws.
What happened in Namor 3? Namor had the lucky plot device of water on his side... Would he have done anywhere near so well without it? NO.. infact Wolverine ONCE AGAIN retracted his claws to punch Namor with a follow up in that fight..
You're bias is absurd here....
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I think you have the skewered intepretation becsue you have already said that Wolverine was fully rested, now you've decided that hes not..
Rest is different than being drugged unconcious while your healing factor fights it off.. at least I've read the comics.. and recently at that. 🤨
Originally posted by Alfheim
How....dare you. Im not the one who said Wolverine was fully rested and then decided to change their mind...I dunno man that doesnt look very good to me. Ive already given my reasons for it being PIS and I want an explanation. 😒:
Originally posted by Alfheim
That dont mean a damn thing. What it shows is that Cap can KO him....
Meaningless here.
Originally posted by AlfheimBecause you know Wolverine better than he does right? 🙄
but obvoulsy in a fight he wouldnt be able to do it that easily. Regardles of what Wolverine has said you know hes taken far more damage so he still had lots of petrol in the tank.
I mean of course you do, you probably take after Cap you know what's best for everyone..
Originally posted by jinzinWhich again, isn't fear.. it's being intelligent in a fight...
No no no no no no no no no. What I said went completely over your head I elaborated on this on my last post. Forget about fear, what im asking you to do is intepret "Cant let him wail on me with that thing." What does that mean????
Originally posted by jinzinUnless you think Cap's "scared" everytime he uses his sheild to block something coming at him... It's horrible rationale alf.
It's like me thinking that Cap's scared of Wolverine for him saying "must raise my shield"... lol.
I stopped using the word fear. Why does Captain America put his shield up? What would happen if Captain America didnt put his shield up? Do you get it?
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 I love how people like to come into threads and think they're going to tell me more about Wolverine than I know.. ME of all people.. I mean please, it's insulting...And to answer you're question... No, not unless he's had some sleep and nurishment in between that time..
Don't belive me? It's no surprise most people never do:
Imagine Wolverine's like a character from a sidecrolling fighting game, you hit somebody with a hado ken in the face, they're still up, they're still fighting, they probably have no real signs of damage, but you look up at the top of the screen and they only have half a bar of life left in them...
The more damage Wolverine takes the less it takes to put him down, he heals but all the same, it takes it's toll on him.
Wolverine got put through the ringer, he even SAID that he was messed up still and then Cap KOed him from behind.. it's not a legit example for anything here on the forums. Can you find me one example of Cap knocking out Wolverine in an actual fight? No you can't.. and there's a reason for that.
Your not telling me anything I dont know. What I said again went completely over your head again....Wolverines healign factor gets depleted over time but dont make a big deal about him being beaten up by goons when:
a) Hes taken shots from the Hulk and kept going.
b) Taken shots from an Elder God.
..and your trying to make a big deal about him being beaten by goons?? Your probably not going to get it are you? My points is if the energy in his bar is reduced it wouldnt have been that much. Furthermore in that scans Wolverine is in a harsh envinronment before fighting X he wasnt.
Originally posted by jinzin
I have't seen it. But regardless, S-rank is on base more often than he's off target. You saying he can't debate is laughable.
This is from the Batman vs Shang Chi thread.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Ok you made the claim that Shang-Chi can amp up to Spiderman level stats.Prove it. Lets see this evidence.
S-ranks response is this
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Generally speaking, if you need someone to give you evidence in order for you form an educated opinion, then you probably aren't qualified to post in this thread.
dddduhhhhh.
Originally posted by jinzin
You mean like Wolverine thinking he doesn't need to be hit by a mace doesn't mean he's scared?Or that Wolverine being scared of ANYONE else doesn't mean Cap can take him in a fight?
You dont even get what I said, I hope you get it this time.
Originally posted by jinzin
The fact remains using X as an example for Cap isn't a shoe that fits.Exactly, which is what makes him NOT COMPARIBLE when using him as a reference for what Cap can do to Wolverine.
Yes it does as explained.
Originally posted by jinzin
And no it doesn't allow to KO people with less force or skill,
Exxxactly!
Originally posted by jinzin
but using a full scale army and assassins against a man before the fight in question takes place.. does.
What you really want to make a big deal about this when the guys cant do as much damage as the Hulk or an Elder God and had hours to heal! Your trying to make out that he was at deaths dooor or he was exhausted, compared to what hes been through thats nothing. Besides your being a hypocrite when Wolverine fought Cap you said he was fully rested obvoulsy because he had time to heal
Originally posted by jinzin
No I said he was sedated.. drugged to keep him surpressed, which was given his healing factor even MORE to heal aside from the Werewolf transformation itself.I'm not looking for anything..you're the one that brought up the werewolves to put Cap in favor even though he has a serum that's supposed to falt out stop fatigue and such....
and you were wrong.. Flat out wrong, plain and simple. You can't get mad at me for what you did first.It "obviously" wasn't good because you're "obvious" bias towards Cap allowed you to discard it? Pathetic.
Ok since you wanna be a smart ass heres your quote.
Originally posted by jinzin
logan had done that in the previous comic....by the time this fight came around he already had had a full rest.......
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm saying wolverine had a slight advantage over cap cause cap was already/or at least should have been pretty tired......logan should have been fine he had just rested for a long while before he got to cap......in either case the fight in question makes a good argument for either party....
Can you see how your a hypocrite can you see how your changing your argument to suit you? Can you see how when you know that Wolverine should be fully rested and healed that actually now your changing your mind.
Originally posted by jinzin
How did Wolverine outsmart Cap in the first place? What the hell are you talking about?They fought, and Cap was being tricky, Wolverine used his intimate knowledge of the human body to defend himself and they were both messed up, Wolverine's HF gave him an advantage.
Right so now you dont even know what outsmart means you kill me.
Originally posted by jinzin
The only other thing I see where you might possibly mistake Wolverine's knowledge for outsmarting Cap, was when he was buying time, and that just makes sense.. Of course Wolverine would have more knowledge of the inner workings of the government than Cap, he has heavily more involved in government agencies far more than that of Cap...
God I dont wanna go over this again....what does lack of sleep do? It messes with your thinking. What does hunger do? It messes with his thinking. What so Wolverine slicing Caps leg wasnt a strategy? Cap is at his peak and is abetter strategist and gets out thought by somebody who is less skilled at strategy and is starving and has been awake for days. You are taking the piss.
Originally posted by jinzin
Furthermore Wolverine wasn't forzen in a block of ice for years on end. So he didn't miss much while Cap did.
Yeah but Wolverine doesnt spend all his time training so Cap caught up. Cap is more intelligent so he can learn quicker. The Korvac sagaa gave Cap 1000s of years of experience.
Originally posted by jinzin
OH PUH-LEASE! For as many bullets and lazers as Cap dodges he still gets fists and feet landed on him O PLENTY...
Im talking about MAs! Cap doesnt have lows showings against fighters and the proceed to beat people who are superior to him. His MA skills are consistent.
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually no it's not, Wolverine beat Zaran back when he was ON drugs as well, he just did it faster without them which was the point I was getting at.
.....and its gone over his head....again. Shang was recovering from drugs while fighting Zaran so thats more impressive
Originally posted by jinzin
When? where?
Because the last time I saw them fight was when Wolvie beat him and luke simultaneously.
What the What IF issue???? 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
SO WHAT? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HIS SKILL LEVEL, We're talking about him taking down skilled fighters.. which he does with his skill and his powers.. Hulk doesn't have to be skilled to beat Cap, but his skill isn't the point, him beating Cap into tomatoe paste is. The same princible holds true here, stop changing pace here.
Yeah we are because what that proves is that Wolverine has less skill than DD or Cap and that skilled fighters can KO or kill him, therefore when wolverine dodged Sticks attacks it was PIS and so was him outthinking Cap.
Originally posted by jinzinShe humiliates Punisher
PIS Punisher has deflected DDs billyclub on numerous occassions and evaded a suprise attack by Cap, but she still manages to take the gun from Franks hand. Is elecktra better than DD or Cap....no?
Originally posted by jinzin
and takes down taskmaster faster than Cap does but she isn't top tier?
Didnt Luke Cage KO Elecktra..yeah thats what I thought
Originally posted by jinzin
And once again you said skilled fighters NOT TOP TIER, stop changing pace when I prove you wrong.
You havnet done a damn thing.
Originally posted by jinzin
Only to your unyeilding Bias.. funny how X couldn't do that again without his army the next two times they fought, oh that's right when Wolverine doesn't have an army to fight before X he DOESN'T get Koed!
That doesnt change the fcat that the damage done by his army should have been neglible. Just because he didnt KO him doesnt mean he cant from What Wolverine said he could have. Batroc can KO Cap but he hasnt.
Originally posted by jinzin
You mean when he was on the ground clutching his chest in pain?
😕you're bias here is out of control.
Thats a misquote thats actually me quoting you by accident..my bad.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because he doesn't want to. 😬He could have done it in their firts encounter.
He fought him to a stalemate mindcontrolled, and Namor admitted he couldn't beat Logan.
He ALMOST killed Namor in New Invaders until U.S. Agent came to save him.
He ALMOST did it again, until Namor's royal guards came to his rescue.
He COULD HAVE DONE IT AGAIN when he punched Namor in the underwater fight when he retracted his claws.What happened in Namor 3? Namor had the lucky plot device of water on his side... Would he have done anywhere near so well without it? NO.. infact Wolverine ONCE AGAIN retracted his claws to punch Namor with a follow up in that fight..
You're bias is absurd here....
*sigh* He retracted his claws....why the hell did Namor say wolverine tried to kill him....is it maybe because the claws sunk into his chest. So wolverine tries to kill Namor by punching him in his chest....geeeezzz.
Originally posted by jinzin
Rest is different than being drugged unconcious while your healing factor fights it off.. at least I've read the comics.. and recently at that. 🤨It's true.
The explanation's been given.
Really....
Originally posted by jinzin
logan had done that in the previous comic....by the time this fight came around he already had had a full rest.......
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm saying wolverine had a slight advantage over cap cause cap was already/or at least should have been pretty tired......logan should have been fine he had just rested for a long while before he got to cap......in either case the fight in question makes a good argument for either party....
Originally posted by jinzin
After he's been severly wounded.. and blasted twice by characters near omega levels....Meaningless here.
Because you know Wolverine better than he does right? 🙄
I mean of course you do, you probably take after Cap you know what's best for everyone..
What cyke and havok were trying to kill him?
Originally posted by jinzin
...and just so i can make this point absouletely clear. Wolverine is out in the DESERT! Of course his healing factor isnt replenshing itself, so what Wolverine is immune to intense heat and dehydration now.
Didnt Wolverine get ****ed by Wendigo once? What did he do he rested and he was able to heal because he wasnt in a harsh envinroment. We can see in that above scan that a major factor of him not replenshin himself was the desert.
Oh and another thing isnt he like WALKING through he desert for hundreds of miles???? 🤨 and you want to compare that to getting beaten and giving hour to heal and non-hostile envinronment. You know the difference between walking and resting right, there not the samething. Of course his bloody healing factor didnt replenish itself.
Originally posted by jinzin
GOD DAMN ALF! I guess I can piss my afternoon away.. okay this is gonna take some time.
I know. 😆 😆 😆 Im not coming near this forum until Monday. I know replying to your post is going to take sometime.
Originally posted by TheTick
Cap loses this.He doesn't have it in him to beat Wolverine. Shame.
Hey your supposed to be on my side! 😛
