Here it is, Hulk vs Gladiator

hell what the **** is going on here????? hulk can be written to beat anyone , its his character, of course that involves glad, supes or most heros actually as he can be written to have sheer physical strength from 80 tonnes to whatever suits the story. needs to be at such a rate to beat glads he can reach it if the story requires it , without breaking the boundries of his character ( or as ive said before u could just write spidey pressin 2000000 tonnes to suit a story). so tere it is, wynndar showed us hulk annialate glad in a comic and that is totally within the boundries of hulk as a character to be able to do. no argument really

of coarse, hulk has also been beaten in comics, regardless of strength... by brute force.....

yup, hulk has lost thats what makes his character so appealing, he is able to be as powerful as he is angry, yet will still lose to namour or abom every now and again, remember he can written from 80 tonnes ( below most other power houses ) to well anything if the story requires it, and still be within the boundriesof his character

i agree but you realize that you did complete 180 from ur original stance from earlier in the thread that hulk could beat ANYBODY

handsdown no matter what. but now you're on some,"if his charcter requires it" tip. i sense that Your finally coming over to the dark side. ohhhhhh youre getting sleeeppy,,,yure being worn dowwwnn

no, my point is the same hulk is able to be written to beat anyone, and stay within his character, not like say spidey pushing up 1000 tonnes to win a fight ( that is clearly not in his characters capability so would look silly being written). end of story, glad knocks out hulk, taken more and not been knocked unconcious, hulk wins, well live with it, its totally wthin the boundries of hulk as a character to beat whoever really he is fighting as he cant top out at any level

"yet will still lose to namour or abom every now and again"

The hell? They've had two main fights and Hulk battered him both times. Putting a hole in his face the second time.

-AC

Interesting...

On the actual topic of the thread, based solely on each character’s abilities, more times than not Gladiator could and should win.

Now, granted, Hulk can get as strong as Gladiator physically, even surpassing him if enraged to a certain point, but, he can never hit with the same velocity Gladiator could. There's an exponential strength difference between a blow that packs 100 tons of force per square inch, and a blow that packs 100 tons of force per square inch hitting at a velocity at or beyond light speed. For example, if I were to drop a basketball out of a 2nd story window on your head, it might daze you; if I drop that same basketball out of an airplane at say 20,000 feet and it hit you in the head, it would kill you and smash into the ground underneath you.

Gladiator's strength and density coupled with his speed is too much for Hulk. Hulk can get as strong as Gladiator, I'll grant you that, but realistically, he can never hit as hard as Gladiator can. We're talking about a character that flies (and fights) through the vacuum of space at speeds beyond light, under his own power without wearing any sort of protection. That's durable. The strains of traveling at that rate of speed on something organic are incredible. I don't think the writers really take into account the powers they've given Gladiator (or Superman for that matter; I hate Superman!!!), they use him like he were a WWE jobber (mainly as an inside joke against DC) when he should really be a marquee character. Gladiator is a cosmic proportioned character. Based on his powers, no one save the Silver Surfer and above should realistically be able to contend with him.

All things being equal and all powers at play, Hulk is SEVERELY outclassed by Gladiator and would lose this fight.

For the sake of ongoing storylines and comic book sales, Hulk beats Gladiator.

That basketball is being pulled down by gravity, however, which is not the same as human arm.

Regardless, you are right illadelph.
But are you saying this is the same as The hulk VS Superman?

Gladiator really did impress me when he fought Hulk.

-AC

Sadly yes Dragon, and I dislike Supes with a passion.

The velocity coupled with the strength and mass are just too much. Gladiator (and Supes since Gladiator is basically Marvel's Superman), punch for punch, hits harder than the Hulk based on sheer velocity. For pure physical strength it is a different story considering Hulk has no upper limit (though technically neither does Gladiator sice his powers are based in his will; so long as he keeps focussed, it's simply a matter of his willing to accomplish a feat, he could do anything if he truly wished with all his being, so that's actually a wash too. If Gladiator believes wholey that he's stronger, he literally is. Like most things, it's about 'faith'😉.

As for the basketbal analogy, it may be powered by gravity, but the velocity is the key. It's still the same basketball, just a different rate of speed (source of momentum not withstanding). Considering Gladiator can fly at the speed of light and faster, and is every bit as strong and dense as the Hulk (if not moreso considering he can fly through space on his own), well, basically Gladiator packs a punch if he hit's you full power at full speed.

A punch Hulk couldn't take.

Are we overlooking the fact that they've actually fought? Or going by just if they fought again?

Genuine question.

-AC

No, we're not overlooking the fact that they've already fought. Just taking into account that given the abilities Gladiator has at his disposal (granted by his own writers) he should more times than not beat the Hulk in a fight.

After reading the comic where the fight takes place, it's apparent they toned down Gladiator quite a bit in order to make the fight interesting. If Gladiator truly wanted, given his speed and strength, he could take the Hulk out before he has an oppurtunity to become fully enraged. Don't forget, even though Hulk has limitless rage (and because of it, limitless strength), it is not instantaneous. It's a physiological change. It takes a few moments to go from normal to completely enraged (even for someone with a radiation enriched mental disorder), and Gladiator has the ability to move so fast he can move outside of normal time. He could hit Hulk with 100 full power, planet shattering punches in a matter of 1-3 seconds before Hulk's brain could register the damage he just sustained.

Basically, the writers took quite a bit of liberty with Gladiator in order to show just how strong Hulk 'is', but in reality, they just downplayed Gladiator to make it an interesting fight the fan favorite could win. If Gladiator wasn't as fast as he is with the strength he has on top of that, Hulk would have a chance.

And I'm sorry, but the finale of Hulk just all of a sudden knowing that Gladiator is some how vulnerable to some forms of radiation (even though he travels through space without any form of external protection and is constantly exposed to various forms of known and unknown radiation) and choke slamming him into a nuclear reactor is pretty, well, weak.

I'm a Hulk fan, but he does have his limitations even though one of them isn't strength. Gladiator at full power just brings too much to the table.

"After reading the comic where the fight takes place, it's apparent they toned down Gladiator quite a bit in order to make the fight interesting. If Gladiator truly wanted, given his speed and strength, he could take the Hulk out before he has an oppurtunity to become fully enraged. Don't forget, even though Hulk has limitless rage (and because of it, limitless strength), it is not instantaneous."

A) You said yourself he has all those abilities from his own writers. He's essentially a mock Superman, one of the cheapest characters (power wise) in history.

B) Hulk's power and strength are not prominent or present with rage alone. That's a misconception. It's emotion. Rage is AN emotion that is used but it's not the only one that triggers the strength. That needs to be realised.

"And I'm sorry, but the finale of Hulk just all of a sudden knowing that Gladiator is some how vulnerable to some forms of radiation (even though he travels through space without any form of external protection and is constantly exposed to various forms of known and unknown radiation) and choke slamming him into a nuclear reactor is pretty, well, weak. "

And giving Gladiator every power in the book for no reason other than to purposely replicate a cheap character is of course, standard procedure?

Hulk and Superman is the dream fight to most people. The reason why Gladiator got whooped in the end by Hulk is because they created Gladiator to mock Superman who is supposed to be all powerful, then put him against Hulk as an in-your-face to DC. A sort of paraphrased Hulk Vs Superman. Like "Even with all his cheapness, your boy wouldn't take out the Hulk" sort of thing.

-AC

I agree, and I like Hulk 1000 times more than I like Supes cheap ass. He is a cheap character. It seems DC makes up powers for him to meet any situation that might come up.

But...

With that being said, given that he DOES have these powers, as cheap and poorly written as they are, he would beat the Hulk, and so would Gladiator (cheapness not withstanding). Hulk's depth of character makes him way more appealing, but in all seriousness, someone who moves beyond the speed of light, is strong enough to push planets, and shoots beams of heat from his eyes that rival solar flares hits a lot harder than a gamma radiated shape shifter with 'limitless' strength simply based on how much momentum can be put behind their punches.

Hulk strength is unlimited..physically he has no equal.

Superman cannot move at the speed of light, first of all.

Second, it amazes me how he can do all that, so everyone claims, yet died, as a result of a fight with what is DC's equivelent to Gladiator. The rip off of the rival companies strongest guy. That being Hulk. He couldn't beat a wannabe Hulk without kicking the bucket, what makes you think he could beat the real deal? Where were his planet moving, solar flare, speed of light powers when he was laying on the floor in the arms of Lois Lane, at Death's door as a result of Doomsday?

Anyway, he has beaten Gladiator before and would do so again. I believe.

-AC

True, he died, but he still won that fight regardless. And after that, has been able to beat him again without dying. And I wouldn't exactly compare Doomsday to Hulk, ripoff or not. And speaking of ripoffs, I wouldn't throw that word around so much if I were some people. After all, anyone can say that Hulk is a ripoff of Solomon Grundy. Not saying it's true, just food for thought.

For the record, I wasn't throwing it around. Applying it to Doomsday.

He died though. Superman, in all his powers, died because of a fight, because of damage and because of exhaustion. Against Doomsday. If he couldn't beat Doomsday without dying, why would he have what it would take to beat Hulk? But I'm not getting into a Superman debate, I've said all that on the Superman/Hulk thread.

My point is, I don't think the identical, or almost identical powers of Gladiator are gonna be much different.

-AC

:lol

It's called 'selling comic books'. Superman lost to Doomsday and died simply for a plot device and a story arch that would sell comic books for DC.

Besides, even though Doomsday is a Hulk 'clone', he's a Hulk clone with a quirk;

You can only kill him the same way once (basically, he's immortal), he constantly evolves, and he starts out at the same power level, if not greater, than Superman. Plus, Superman is a punk and doesn't cut loose (no killer instinct). Hulk himself would have a hard time with Doomsday considering that you can't kill him with super powered punches anymore, and Hulk's offensive repertoire is limited to physical attacks. They had to teleport him to an apocalyptic event to get rid of him (and he even evolved beyond that).

Basically, the DC writers' sense of realism is severely lacking, and they don't really comprehend how ridiculously powerful they make their characters. That's why I always like Marvel better, more realism and characters you can relate to.

But anyway, Hulk is potentially physically "stronger" than Superman (Gladiator), but it doesn't mean he hit's harder, because he can never hit with the same force Superman (Gladiator) could. A rock the size of a man going 200,000 miles per hour hits with more force than a boulder as big as a 2 story house going 500 miles per hour. It's that simple.

Marvel is just mad that DC's writers are so unrealistic and created a character more ridiculously powerful than even the Hulk.

Hulk is a better, more believable character though.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hulk is a better, more believable character though.

Better, yeah, but barely more believable.