Here it is, Hulk vs Gladiator

"A rock the size of a man going 200,000 miles per hour hits with more force than a boulder as big as a 2 story house going 500 miles per hour. It's that simple."

I'm not saying that with his powers, Gladiator COULDN'T technically beat The Hulk. Just saying that I do not believe he would. What you are saying is true but he didn't use this in their encounter did he? He stood there and tried burning through Hulk's chest with the lasers. Hulk responded with a chokeslam.

"Better, yeah, but barely more believable."

Hulk is way more believable in the world of comics than Superman. Hulk has so many haters it's untrue.

A man grossly and massively affected by radiation is much more believable than an inexplicably humanoid alien with laser eyes, wind/ice breath and high speed flight.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I'm not saying that with his powers, Gladiator COULDN'T technically beat The Hulk. Just saying that I do not believe he would. What you are saying is true but he didn't use this in their encounter did he? He stood there and tried burning through Hulk's chest with the lasers. Hulk responded with a chokeslam.
-AC

🙄 That's what Gladiator always does in a fight...try to burn his opponent and fight like an idiot. -Why did he fight like an idiot? 'Cause writters wanted Hulk to win.-

Look at all other portrayals of Gladiators battles - against Hyperion, Supreme, Thor, Masterson Thor, Tyrant, Silver Surfer, Ego, Nova, Thing - and you'll see Gladiator utilizing his powers like a tactical fighter. His fight with Hulk clearly shows an idiot Gladiator jobbing to Hulk, really inconsistant with all his other portrayals. Furthermore, Hulk's all of a sudden knowledge of Gladiator's weakness to radiation is further proof that this fight was clearly meant as a beat down to show Hulk as a Superman level character asskicker.

In a true fight, Gladiator would murder Hulk.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hulk is way more believable in the world of comics than Superman. Hulk has so many haters it's untrue.

A man grossly and massively affected by radiation is much more believable than an inexplicably humanoid alien with laser eyes, wind/ice breath and high speed flight.

Yeah, he gets mondo points for being more believable than Superman but loses a lot of them for being a man grossly and massively affected by radiation that it allows him to manifest absolute strength?

Theoretically he could have so much strength that he could kill Living Tribunal in one hit?

It goes into my hatred of Superman being able to solve everything by punching it.

Edit: Also, I don't hate Hulk but he's been venturing into my hatred of characters being "poweroverwhelming" powerful.

Gladiator simply brings too much to the table in a fight versus the Hulk with ALL powers at play.

And also, Gladiator is supreme general of an intergalactic space empire, he's not some 'punch as hard as I can and fire my eye lasers' type of field tactician.

Gladiator was used to put the Hulk over.

"Yeah, he gets mondo points for being more believable than Superman but loses a lot of them for being a man grossly and massively affected by radiation that it allows him to manifest absolute strength?"

It's a comic book. If you read comics and ever think "Well that's unrealistic" based on what could be possible in real life, you need a reality check yourself. That's why it's a comic book. A man powered by a gem, a man with the powers of a spider and a man with a rock-body is no more believable.

"Theoretically he could have so much strength that he could kill Living Tribunal in one hit?"

He isn't a humanoid figure firstly. So how you can kill an inhumanoid figure or entity with a punch, is news to me.

"Edit: Also, I don't hate Hulk but he's been venturing into my hatred of characters being "poweroverwhelming" powerful."

At least all Hulk has that could be considered in your eyes, over powered, is actual strength. If he had laser eyes, breath and lightspeed flight I could understand. If he had Hulk powers permanently and didn't become Banner, I understand, but you're being unreasonable.

"Gladiator was used to put the Hulk over."

Do you truly believe that Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation? I don't. Hulk is one of the single most feared characters in the Marvel Universe. He doesn't need a Shiar General to put him over.

-AC

"Do you truly believe that Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation? I don't. Hulk is one of the single most feared characters in the Marvel Universe. He doesn't need a Shiar General to put him over."

He does after He and Marvel got their feelings hurt in a fan vote...

Irrelevant.

Do you truly believe Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation, was my question.

When did fan voted matches ever come into it? For the record, that's the only time Superman ever beat Hulk.

-AC

Originally posted by illadelph12
Basically, the DC writers' sense of realism is severely lacking, and they don't really comprehend how ridiculously powerful they make their characters. That's why I always like Marvel better, more realism and characters you can relate to.

Of course they know, they're not ignorant. They're fans like us, and are well aware of DC and Marvel's differences. They know how powerful they started out, and pretty much work with it. In DC's defense, they didn't really have a standard on just how powerful their characters should be. Marvel on the other hand, got lucky in the 60's when Lee and Kirby brought more realism than DC. But DC's humbled their characters a little more than they once were though, so that's gotta count for something.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hulk is way more believable in the world of comics than Superman. Hulk has so many haters it's untrue.

I'm not too sure about the more believable part, but as far as Hulk haters go, I'm pretty damn sure that Superman beats in the hater department.😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Theoretically he could have so much strength that he could kill Living Tribunal in one hit?"

He isn't a humanoid figure firstly. So how you can kill an inhumanoid figure or entity with a punch, is news to me.

Tell that to someone like Tough Guy.😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Gladiator was used to put the Hulk over."

Do you truly believe that Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation? I don't. Hulk is one of the single most feared characters in the Marvel Universe. He doesn't need a Shiar General to put him over.

Well, no he doesn't, but it helps to put another notch on his belt.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Irrelevant.

Do you truly believe Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation, was my question.

When did fan voted matches ever come into it? For the record, that's the only time Superman ever beat Hulk.

-AC

Well, there was this comic a few years before Marvel vs. DC, where Superman simply stood in place as HUlk punched at him wildly. That may not be a win to some, but that's still ownage in my opinion.😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's a comic book. If you read comics and ever think "Well that's unrealistic" based on what could be possible in real life, you need a reality check yourself. That's why it's a comic book. A man powered by a gem, a man with the powers of a spider and a man with a rock-body is no more believable.

It's the extreme that gets me. Going from man to being able to attain infinite strength with no physical downfall, other than looks. Caused by RADIATION. I can't believe I just NOW noticed the simularities between Hulk and Superman.

He isn't a humanoid figure firstly. So how you can kill an inhumanoid figure or entity with a punch, is news to me.

I of course ment if Living Tribunal held out his "chin" for the blow for the purposes of the example.

At least all Hulk has that could be considered in your eyes, over powered, is actual strength. If he had laser eyes, breath and lightspeed flight I could understand. If he had Hulk powers permanently and didn't become Banner, I understand, but you're being unreasonable.

Oddly, the healing I don't mind. In fact, healing yourself from a skeleton is powerful cool. But infinite strength? Bleh.

Edit: What the? I keep misspelling infinite.

"Do you truly believe Hulk needs to be put over with his reputation, was my question.

When did fan voted matches ever come into it? For the record, that's the only time Superman ever beat Hulk."

Considering he lost to Superman, fan voted or not, and then in a relative short time afterward, beats the Marvel equivalent to Superman through poorly thought out and transparent means:

"Hey, I know your weakness Super, er, I mean Gladiator. You're vulnerable to some forms of radiation [though you fly unprotected through space at light speeds and travel through wormholes and blackholes as a means of transportation]. I wonder what would happen if I chokeslam you into this nuclear reactor [even though you've survived being hit with a blast from a Skrull machine that creates stars and direct blast from Galactus]"

I've deduced that Hulk got put over.

There's evidence...

"Well, there was this comic a few years before Marvel vs. DC, where Superman simply stood in place as HUlk punched at him wildly. That may not be a win to some, but that's still ownage in my opinion."

That was one of the two fan voted Crossovers. Superman fans aren't gonna let him go down or look weak to almost anybody. That's the only time Hulk "lost" I don't believe it was ownage at all considering when they met again, Hulk thwacked Superman away in a co-written Marvel issue. I've been over this so many times, no disrespect, but I'm not doing it again.

"Going from man to being able to attain infinite strength with no physical downfall, other than looks. Caused by RADIATION. I can't believe I just NOW noticed the simularities between Hulk and Superman."

Radiation caused mutation. As it does in real life. However in comics, they are allowed to go a little over the top. You complaining that the very essence of that is stupid, just doesn't make any sense AT all. If you want realism, read a book. Not a comic.

"Oddly, the healing I don't mind. In fact, healing yourself from a skeleton is powerful cool. But infinite strength? Bleh."

It's not as if he can do "Deet de dee...." whistle, and have the strength. What makes him so threatening and so powerful is that the potential is inside him and reachable. He doesn't go around whooping out the infinite strength bandana.

"There's evidence..."

I didn't see evidence. I saw a supposed and paraphrased Hulk quote/opinion of what happened.

-AC

Gladiator could easily beat the hulk, this is so stupid, alpha just drags out these threads supporting Hulkie till the end...

He says hes no fanboy, but the fact he argues with facts in Magneto vs hulk, juggernaut vs hulk, and hulk vs superman, hulk vs lobo, ETC... hes always on hulks side. He may not be a geniune fanboy, so we need to make a decision called Semi-Fanboy, because Alpha thought The hulk could even beat Lobo. Which shows how much ill logic he actually posses to think that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Radiation caused mutation. As it does in real life. However in comics, they are allowed to go a little over the top. You complaining that the very essence of that is stupid, just doesn't make any sense AT all. If you want realism, read a book. Not a comic.

The potential for infinite strength from a mutated human body is a little more than over the top. I just like things to make sense. It's characters like Franklin Richards, Batman, and I guess now Hulk that get to me.

I didn't see evidence. I saw a supposed and paraphrased Hulk quote/opinion of what happened.

"So you're vulnerable to some forms of radiant energy."? C'mon.

If your argueing about The Hulk's power, thats pretty dumb... also, all you get with gamma rays is some guy whose legs rot off at the knees, and arms at the elbows and then you kinda melt away...

The fact that this dimension we live in could even have the possiblity for something to be limitless is proposterous at that, somewhere along the line there has to be a physical problem... another thing is that when there so much strength in one thing, often times its useless...

Lets say a chicken has infinite strength, and it punches the ground... it makes a smaller shockwave than a... Train with infinate strength hitting the ground...

Were dealing with size proportions... someone bigger would have more of a effect than something smaller.

"Gladiator could easily beat the hulk, this is so stupid, alpha just drags out these threads supporting Hulkie till the end..."

I'll indulge you these few times but continue pursuing me in each and every thread to do nothing but point out the fact that I am backing Hulk in these two threads, and it will be you who needs to watch the attitude.

"He says hes no fanboy, but the fact he argues with facts in Magneto vs hulk, juggernaut vs hulk, and hulk vs superman, hulk vs lobo, ETC... hes always on hulks side. He may not be a geniune fanboy, so we need to make a decision called Semi-Fanboy, because Alpha thought The hulk could even beat Lobo. Which shows how much ill logic he actually posses to think that."

Why am I gonna vote for people I don't like, in a battle against someone I do? If you put up a Thanos Vs Hulk thread, it'd go to Thanos. Surfer Vs Hulk, most likely Surfer. If someone is capable of beating The Hulk, I will openly admit it, and I have done. He is not unbeatable, but in threads where I believe for good reason, he could win, why am I ridiculed for speaking of such? More people think The Hulk would beat Lobo than I do. Why do you even care who I think Hulk would beat or not?

"The potential for infinite strength from a mutated human body is a little more than over the top. I just like things to make sense. It's characters like Franklin Richards, Batman, and I guess now Hulk that get to me."

An opinion you're entitled to. Just don't see how you can have that, being a comic fan.

I would normally reply to Irtmu's second post, but the man started talking about Chickens and Trains. So forget about it. He's actually fanboy'd himself into insanity.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
An opinion you're entitled to. Just don't see how you can have that, being a comic fan.

I would normally reply to Irtmu's second post, but the man started talking about Chickens and Trains. So forget about it. He's actually fanboy'd himself into insanity.

Jebus, I know. IRTMU, what the heck was up with that?!

"I didn't see evidence. I saw a supposed and paraphrased Hulk quote/opinion of what happened."

I'm sure you've read the comic. Other than what I have in brackets (which is simply background information on Gladiator that contradicts the sequence which is about to occur) and the Superman inference, it's exactly what Hulk said in the actual comic book before he chokeslams Gladiator into a nuclear reactor.

What is 'evident' is that somehow, though it's never come to light how, Hulk has miraculously developed an ability to sense the weakness in his opponents, though that precedent had never been set. How would Hulk know Gladiator is vulnerable to 'certain forms of radiant energies'? How is a man that flies through space unprotected and passes through wormholes and other spacial anomolies as a means , and has gone head up with Galactus, the Silver Surfer, and been blasted with an energy weapon that can recreate stars, suddenly be susceptible to radiation created by a nuclear reactor on Earth? And how is this specific form of radiant energy so prevalent in this one nuclear reactor, yet not emitted by all the stars and suns Gladiator passes by in his space travel?

I'm sorry, but that is 'artistic liberty' right there if I've ever seen. I know it's a comic book and given to exaggeration, but come on now. Why would a character of Hulk's 'reputation' need such an obvious loophole to win?

Basically, what I'm getting at, is that this fight between Hulk and Gladiator was more about showing what Marvel felt should have happened between DC's top guy (Superman) and the Hulk simply because Marvel is the better company, not because of his powers. It's almost blatant.

And to be honest, yeah, Superman is a cheap character and I don't like him, but it doesn't change the fact that he IS more powerful than Hulk. Maybe not as physically strong considering Hulk has no upper limit, but when you combine speed and strength (and durability), it's not a match really.

As a side note, anyone ever notice how Superman has a space suit and diving suit but he really doesn't need to breath for extended periods of time?

Originally posted by illadelph12
As a side note, anyone ever notice how Superman has a space suit and diving suit but he really doesn't need to breath for extended periods of time?

Toy sales, BABY!

'Lets say a chicken has infinite strength, and it punches the ground... it makes a smaller shockwave than a... Train with infinate strength hitting the ground...'

Possibly...the most...ridiculous statement I have ever read.

A small child has infinite strength, and a monstrous weight lifter has infinite strength.

If the small child punches the ground, and the monstrous weight lifter punches the ground, it doesnt matter if they both have the same ability, The monstrous weight lifter is going to be able to destroy the boy, regardless, Size proportions do matter.