Navy approves first ever Satanist

Started by Darth Revan5 pages

The Church of Satan actually isn't just "some organization," it is the ONLY major form of Satanism that exists today. There are some other Satanic cults around the world, but these are so tiny that, in total, they probably number no more than a thousand worldwide.

You can't give me a single example of a bona fide member of the Church of Satan (which, I can't stress this enough, is the only legitimate branch of Satanism that exists today) raping a child or sacrificing an animal? No, wait, I know you can't... Because harming little children, and killing animals (except in self-defense or for food) are considered sins to the COS.

Not that you will believe me, because Christians are so opposed to judging on appearence that they can't be bothered to do the tiniest bit of research when it comes to "evil" religions like Satanism. 🙄

So, you saying the dictionary is wrong??

Satan is a part of Christianity, so essentially they did make it up. And no matter how Satanists used to practice, we are not talking about a man centuries ago we are talking about a man in 2004 who practices modern day Satanism. May I also add it's ironic people keep bringing up animal sacrifices as being evil...

personnally satan is known as the purest form of evil around, so yes it kinda freaks me out.

its not only animal sacrifices they do humans to, I use to live in a town where there was people that worshiped Satan---Santanist, so i do know what occults do, the cloacks they wear, the chants they do, drugs they did there, and a rape that took place....this is at the town i'm talking about, they kid that did the raped, was 1 year older than me, we went to school together. we had only been out of school a few years i thk, when this happneded, he just got out of prison 2 months ago over that, so there is no way you can convince me Satanist are not evil. This guy was in NO way evil, but he changed when he got mixed up that.

OK, so then lets just say the guy is weird. Lets say he's a freak. Does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military? Should we really limit somebody's options because of their beliefs?

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
its not only animal sacrifices they do humans to, I use to live in a town where there was people that worshiped Satan---Santanist, so i do know what occults do, the cloacks they wear, the chants they do, drugs they did there, and a rape that took place....this is at the town i'm talking about, they kid that did the raped, was 1 year older than me, we went to school together. we had only been out of school a few years i thk, when this happneded, he just got out of prison 2 months ago over that, so there is no way you can convince me Satanist are not evil. This guy was in NO way evil, but he changed when he got mixed up that.

Like I said, there are extremists of any religion. Christian extremists killed thousands based only on religion.

A belief, is that what you are calling that? The dictionary is not wrong. Dictionary: satanism Profound wickedness its wickedness that would be why is shld not be allowed, no other reason but that.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
So, you saying the dictionary is wrong??

Yes, I am saying that. Remember that prior to the COS, which only came about in the 60's, "Satanism" was really a term used by Christians. Christians actually invented Satanism, it didn't exist before Christianity existed. The old form of Satanism, as AC said, was very different from what Satanism is today.

I hate to break it to you, darling, but (to use a very Christian, clicheed phrase) the people in the town you used to live in were not true Satanists. True members of the COS, which is the ONLY significant form of Satanism that exists anymore, do not rape people, do drugs, or sacrifice animals. Drugs, rape, and killing animals are all Satanic sins to REAL Satanists.

Yeah, Satanists have rituals, but then, so do Christians. There is very little difference between a Christian marriage or funeral and a Satanic ritual, in terms of how "dangerous" it is.

Here is an article I found, now read this.

" Devil worship and Satanism should not be considered harmless, writes Sophie Masson.

Have you heard? Britain's Royal Navy has its first official registered Satanist. Leading hand Christopher Cranmer, 24, has had his application to be recognised as a practising Satanist - complete with the right to perform rituals on board - approved.

He's also revealed that he'll be lobbying to have Old Nick's worship recognised as a religion by the state. Now that he's given over his life to the worship of the principle of evil, which, as the Church of Satan's official website proclaims, is an "acceptance of man's true state - that of a carnal beast living in a cosmos permeated and motivated by the Dark Force we call Satan" - his mother Catherine, supposedly a practising Christian, seems unmoved. "He's not evil ... in our home, we have angels on the mantelpiece," she says.

It sounds like something out of a dodgy parody. In the words of French poet Charles Baudelaire, "The best trick the Devil ever pulled is to persuade us he didn't exist." That would seem to be the case, since basic disbelief in the idea that there could be such an entity is surely behind the navy's acceptance of Cranmer's beliefs as harmless.
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Well, are they? Trawling through the Church of Satan's website and its related links, one comes across such statements as "Let our governments be toppled! Let the strong become Masters and the weak be swept away, as they should!" and "Kill all the deluded and weak".

The Church of Satan breezily informs us that though supposedly it venerates the "Dark Force", in fact, "we are our own gods". All traditional sins are henceforth virtues. Altruism is a myth; the Christian virtues are just hypocrisy; all restraints are simply attempts to force the really strong into a humiliating capitulation to the weak.

That this sub-Nietzschean, quasi-Nazi rubbish should be tolerated, much less encouraged, by the Royal Navy simply beggars belief.

The most frightening thing is that our society has seemingly become so disconnected from meaning that it no longer takes seriously the very building blocks of its culture.

Traditionally, we understood that symbols have an underlying meaning: the human world is not a parade of meaningless gestures, but a mysterious, strange place which we only partly understand, where metaphysical battles are played out every day in people's hearts.

The figure of the devil is a very profound, living metaphor, expressed in a concrete way; to worship the principle of evil itself is to invite it into your life and the lives of those around you, sometimes in unpredictable and horrifying ways.

A year after Church of Satan founder Anton la Vey appeared in Rosemary's Baby, Roman Polanski's pregnant wife Sharon Tate and several friends were gruesomely murdered by the followers of mad anti-prophet Charles Manson - who laid great stress on the fact that his name, reversed, was "son of Man".

The devil likes grim jokes, you see. Now somewhere in one of the navy's warships, a young Satanist with an emblematic name - Christopher means "the bearer of Christ", "Cranmer" was also the surname of a martyr of the Protestant Reformation - may well be earnestly expounding the scripture of the "Satanic Bible", with its love of the strong and contempt for the vulnerable. It's not a comforting thought. "

The dictionary can be wrong. Especially on supernatural type issues like this. The dictionary get the word satanism from the Christian religion. So since the Christian Bible says Satan is evil, the dictionary says it as well. That doesn't make it a fact. And yeah, I'm saying worshipping Satan is a belief. What would you call it?

So, in summary...

"Most religions are alright, except Satanism, because it openly contradicts with Christianity, which is BAD! Nobody is allowed to speak out against traditional religious society, and if they do, they are Nazis and Charles Manson!"

Gimme a break 🙄

Where does it say that the dictionary gets its word from the christain religion? That is what occults are known to do

Darth is has nothing to do w/that and i have not said anything like that, and you know that. the dictionary puts in very plain why it shldn't be allowed, NO other reason but that.

phinney: Maybe you shoudl go to the Church of Satan's website and see what they have to say for themselves, instead of reading an article that takes thing out of context and only summarizes the over the top part. I by no means condone the worship of Satan. But read what they have to say, it isn't "be evil and spread chaos."

Fiery Eyes: Where else would they get it from? The basic concept of Satan comes from Christianity. It doesnt have to SAY it, it's just a given.

Afro: its given cuz you say it's given. I just dont by that, that would mean any thing in the dictionary someone decided to change they could. Satanism is known as evil, why?? cuz that is what they are about, it's what they teach
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism12.html
here's just part of the The Hard Facts About Satanic Ritual Abuse

By Bob and Gretchen Passaintino
An edited version of this article first appeared in the winter 1992Christian Research Journal
WARNING: Because of the horrific nature of these reports, some of this article may be disturbing to readers. Every attempt has been made to deal with the subject objectively and with circumspect language.
A young teenage girl, impregnated during a satanic ritual, is forcibly delivered of her nearly term baby, forced to ritually kill the child and then to cannibalize its heart as cult members watch. Another girl, a small child, is sealed inside the cavity of a disemboweled animal and "rebirthed" by her cultic captors during a ceremony. A preschool class is systematically sexually, emotionally, and physically abused by part of a nationwide, nearly invincible network of satanic pedophiles and pornographers. A young girl is thrown into an electrified cage with wolves and ritually tortured to deliberately produce a "wolf personality," part of her multiple personality disorder (MPD).

I do say it's given because it's basically common sense. Think about it, Christianity came up with the concept of Satan saying he was an angel of god but then betrayed him (or something like that, I don't remember exactly). So since the Christian Bible came up with Satan, they are the dictionary's only resource for defining such terms.

And yeah, I never said Satanist don't commit atrocities, I'm saying that their supposed religion doesn't promote those atrocities in any way. That's the point you seem to be missing. If you already haven't why don't you check out their website. It doesn't make you a Satanist, I don't even believe Satan exists and I checked it out.

Again, the people who commit these horrible things you are describing are not true Satanists. Satanism is not a "cult"... I could say Christianity is a cult, and you could not logically argue with me based on your apparent beliefs about Satanism.

Believe it or not, before Christianity, Satan didn't exist. The people who came up with the concept of Lucifer and the Christian Hell in the first place were Christians. OMFG! That's just incredible! 🙄

Anyways, it is becoming apparent that debating with such an incredible hypocrite is futile. I have better things to do than point out that being non-judgemental is taught by your religion over and over.

the dictionary puts in very plain why it shldn't be allowed
hmmm the dictionary uses the term out of how the the church has talked about and put down satan and his followers or any others that didnt see it the way the church does. Of course that way all would be wicked and bad. And if it is wicked and evil to the christians so what, who said the chrisitans were the ones to decide what the rest of the world should do.Christians aint a majority on this planet, hell if all those who couldnt care less for christianity in Norway had withdrawal
their membership in the state church the christian faith wouldnt even be a majority in Norway. That would be a new thing a registered non chrisitan western world country, and when the ball first starts to roll.............

As of today according to a survey only 30 percent of the Norwegian population say they are practising christians, the membership of the statechurch is 87%. We are getting toward a seperation of state and church which means the state church has to get their memebrs to pay for the mebership, this will lead to a true number for the church membership.

SO to believe in satanism and satan, means you probably believe in christianity, because they got satan from the christian religion. But openly denying the fact that satan is evil, with no proof that he isn't evil, going strickly by the christian religion, because after all, the christian religion DID invent satan. SO they believe the christian religion since they believe in satan, yet do not believe he is evil. that makes no sencse to me to believe in satan yet not think he is evil because they are believing in satan by what the christian religion says yet they do not believe he is evil. Why only take bits and pieces from the christian religion and "change" the other half of it around to satan not being evil for their own purpose? They basically invented it on the christian religion but only took half of it and decided to be "different" seems strange to me. And yes I did go to their website where they quote "Letting true man's inner beast come out" or something to that effect. They may not practice physical harm on anyone, but they seem to really want destruction to come about and the weak to be destroyed. I just think its funny they took a PART of the christian religion to base their own on yet DID not take satan as being evil.