Well if you guys want to bring up all the "evil" taht christians do, than like the satanists, I have every right to say the things those christians did are not "REAL" christians. If you are allowed to make escuses for satanism and evil things not being "real" satanists, that I have every right to say that those catholic priests and other bad christians are not "REAL" christians
What they said about letting man's true nature as a beast come out is that instead of going to church and conforming to a Christian agenda, they live how they want with no interference from God. They worry about themselves first, just as a "beast" would. And yeah, they obviously did take the thought of Satan from the Christian religion and personally I don't take their religion seriously at all because of just that, they believe in Satan. That's why I think it's harmless to let a Satanist join the navy...
And yeah, you are correct, those who kill in the name of Christianity aren't true Christians as far as I'm concerned. But if you do want to say that horrible acts committed by a select few Satanists is promoted by Satanism, then I can say that holy wars (and the massacre of the Native Americans) are encouraged by Christianity.
There is tons of web sites to view to prove that Satanism/Satan worshipers do evil things, it's NOT my word anyone shld take, you can read for yourself. Knowing what SATAN stands for, where and why did all these satanic rituals come from that worship Satan, and why would anyone name a church after Satan knowing what he's name means? it's in books everywhere, besides the bible, it's all over thru the internet to search about satan, worshipping satan, rituals and so forth? So, jsut cuz a group decides to name a church that and say they are different makes them differnt, I don't by that and i'm shocked that anyone would.
Satan isn't real. The idea of Satan and hell was thought up by the Christians and put into the Bible. There is no other source for the meaning of Satan and what it stands for besides the Christian religion, because no other religion believes in Satan as far as I know. Every other book/website that talks about Satan got it from the Bible one way or another, because there is no factual information on Satan. By "siding with Satan" they aren't saying that they stand for everything that is evil, I think they are simply saying they aren't going to try to get into the Christian heaven that everyone else is obsessed with.
And the fact of the matter is, whether you want to say this group on the website is true Satanism or not, this is the group that the Satanist who joined the Navy belongs to. Can you find any belief so extreme on that website that the guy who joined the Navy shouldn't be allow to join the Navy just because he shares that belief? If you can I'd like to know what it is, and maybe I'll see your side of things.
You know, I'm going to have to chime in on this one.
1. Yeah, it's probably no big deal to have a Satanist in the military, regardless of which country's military it is. I doubt that he will be sacrificing anyone in the name of Lucifer or Beelzebub or Old Scratch.
2. I also have to agree with Fiery Eyes. Satanism isn't just about "me first me first". Satanism is a religion that worships the ultimate in evil as far as the global standard of evil goes. Let's face it, Satan IS evil incarnate. A wicked former angel that was cast out of Heaven into the pit of fire. Now if Satanism WAS just a religion that promotes self-fulfillment in the worldly things, then it wouldn't need to be called "Satanism", would it?
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1. Action; process; practice: terrorism.
2. Characteristic behavior or quality: heroism.
3.
a. State; condition; quality: pauperism.
b. State or condition resulting from an excess of something specified: strychninism.
4. Distinctive or characteristic trait: Latinism.
5.
a. Doctrine; theory; system of principles: pacifism.
b. An attitude of prejudice against a given group: racism.
If you engage in a system of principles or doctrine based on Satan, then you are living a relatively evil lifestyle.
I really don't think it could be put more plainly than that.
If it's really all about "self", then stop calling yourself a Satanist and just exist on a day-to-day basis as yourself and yourself alone.
corn
Frankly I think it's this:
Satanists today know that they won't be accepted by the majority if they let the majority know that they REALLY ARE Satanists, that is, people who worshipt Satan. And since people today are more fragile than they have ever been, and want to be accepted very badly (even, *gasp*, Satanists), then they are left with no choice but to CHANGE the definition of Satanism to a kinder, gentler definition of Satanism, i.e., "we don't really worship Satan, we just think we should try to fulfill our every whim and desire without consequence. That's what we're really all about".
That's what it is.
corn
afro: And the fact of the matter is, whether you want to say this group on the website is true Satanism or not, this is the group that the Satanist who joined the Navy belongs to. Can you find any belief so extreme on that website that the guy who joined the Navy shouldn't be allow to join the Navy just because he shares that belief? If you can I'd like to know what it is, and maybe I'll see your side of things.
So, you are only going by what ONE site says? anyone can make a site up and post whatever they want to entice people to join, surely you don't think that if it was evil, they would state that on their site? surely you don't think they would say: come join us, we sacrifice animals, people too, especially virgins, we also enjoy beating, chanting, deceiving, lying, cheating, stealing.....?? There's are 100's of sites on the web to make a correct ruling, rather or not it's good or evil, shldn't you view more than ONE site?
corn: I wasn't saying their whole religion is just "me first", I was hypothesizing on what that one quote might mean. Then again I don't know for sure, I was just coming up with an alternative explanation. And as for "they just want to be accept so they try to change the meaning," I agree to an extent. I think they definitely made some changes, most likely so people would be more open to joining. But I do believe those are the rules the practice today. Maybe not the extreme Satanists you read about that perform sacrifices, but at least the Satanists who belong to their group.
Fiery Eyes: That isn't just any website. That is the home website for the only major above ground group of Satanists out there. That is the website they were quoting when talking about the Satanist joining the Navy. Other websites dedicated to Satanism that talk about "sacrificing virgins" to put it in your words are most likely anti-Satanist websites. And yeah, I do think if they believed in animal sacrifice or maybe even human sacrifice they would talk about it right there on the website. Why not? They are Satanists for crying out loud... I doubt they are too worried about being accepted. You can talk about whatever you want. You can't say "go sacrifice someone" or "I sacrificed someone the other night" but you can say "we believe in sacrifices to the dark prince." Hell, the KKK talks about hating Blacks and Jews right on their website... nobody can stop them. This is the same case here.
Hate and human sacrificing are two totally different things there, there is freedom of speech, but NOT freedom of killing, which is what a sacrifice would be, so NO I don't think they would say that right on their site, it would bring much more attention than they would want, and more and more investigation.
Like I said, you cant say "go sacrifice someone" or "I sacrificed someone" but you can say "I believe in sacrifices." That doesn't mean you have made any sacrifices or even that you plan to, and nobody could prosecute you for saying that. Also I am sure they are already subject to investigation. Satanists freak people out... I would think they are being monitored.
Another thing, animal sacrifices are not murder, so wouldn't they at least talk about that on their website? I doubt that the website for the main Satanist group is going to omit a major part of their religion to suit outsiders. You have to remember that if your dealing with people who declare themselves Satanists, they probably aren't going to be too worried about what the outside world thinks of them.
Originally posted by cornponious
You know, I'm going to have to chime in on this one.1. Yeah, it's probably no big deal to have a Satanist in the military, regardless of which country's military it is. I doubt that he will be sacrificing anyone in the name of Lucifer or Beelzebub or Old Scratch.
2. I also have to agree with Fiery Eyes. Satanism isn't just about "me first me first". Satanism is a religion that worships the ultimate in evil as far as the global standard of evil goes. Let's face it, Satan IS evil incarnate. A wicked former angel that was cast out of Heaven into the pit of fire. Now if Satanism WAS just a religion that promotes self-fulfillment in the worldly things, then it wouldn't need to be called "Satanism", would it?
Theres a few problems, satanist dont worship satan or even believe in him, and as i have said countless times satanists dont sacrafice people (anothe thing Hollywood have destroyed) you are thinking of paganism, and cristianity they have sacrficed people, does this make them evil? i think so
Originally posted by Scarpa
Satanists freak me out why woule anybody let a satanist work in the military. They practice human sacrifices for goodness sake. Satanism outta be banned.
You know what i dislike stereotypes like your self, look into satanism you will find all it is a a bunch if philosophy's and rules that the satanist lives by
An expample of this is as follows:
If some on is iritating the satanist he firstly asks them to stop if they dont he destroys them and shows no mercy.
Everyone (including the likes of John Lennon, Ghandi & Mother Theresa - may they all rest in piece) had some hint of negative emotions in them at some time or another, just because you follow a certain religious sect doesn't mean you will be totally good and totally evil all the time, behind satanisim and christianity lies a human face.