Originally posted by NemeBro
Blackbeard is not and never was intended to be a no name, he is one of the probable big bads of the series.Monet on the other hand was never intended to be much, despite how endearing a character she was.
Ah, so now you're judging who qualifies as a no name by their role in the story and not something like a rank. Well Monet is Caesar Clown's number 2 and while usually Zoro does indeed fight the number 2 guy, what makes the fight interesting to watch is the fact that he always has a handicap to overcome, like having less than 3 swords, being grievously injured, or just plain being outclassed for a bit. Here none of that applies and Zoro could easily have one shot her this entire time with fear. Hell, if cutting a woman is just so taboo(which really goes against the character's flashback) then just wack her with the back of his blades. That'll keep her down and he's done that before.
I really didn't expect Monet to be a trouble for the Strawhats, given the fact Caesar is such a hack uncapable of serious fights. But she is a fearsome fighter and she would've been trouble for the SH's before time-skip. This only goes to show that training before going to the New World was a nice competitive edge.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then why should we be remotely invested in her fight?
We aren't, she was just a means to display Tashigi's (lack of) fighting abilities. It's still a more noble gain than two thirds of the Fishman island characters.
Really having Nami fight her would have been more satisfying imo. She is the one who has been most concerned about the kids after all and she makes a nice counter to Monet, being one's fiery and the other is cool. It's much more interesting to see someone who lacks haki fighting a logia by abusing their weakness.
Well Fishmen Island consisted of watching 9 Straw Hats casually wrecking ass as if nothing could touch them. So no, even Zoro punking out Monet isn't that bad. And Monet is way more memorable than any Fishmen not named Hody(name the guy who fought Chopper without looking him up!).
But yeah, Tashigi looks so worthless which is the worst thing about the chapter.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Ah, so now you're judging who qualifies as a no name by their role in the story and not something like a rank.
Right, which I was always doing.
Well Monet is Caesar Clown's number 2
She's his assistant, she was never portrayed as nearly as dangerous as, say, Vergo was.
and while usually Zoro does indeed fight the number 2 guy,
Why isn't he fighting Vergo then?
what makes the fight interesting to watch is the fact that he always has a handicap to overcome, like having less than 3 swords, being grievously injured, or just plain being outclassed for a bit.
Right, remember when he fought Ryuuma, and casually stomped him?
Quite a handicap he had to overcome.
Here none of that applies and Zoro could easily have one shot her this entire time with fear.
Like that time he one-shot Ryuuma.
Hell, if cutting a woman is just so taboo(which really goes against the character's flashback) then just wack her with the back of his blades. That'll keep her down and he's done that before.
Only we saw that Zoro disliked cutting women hundreds of chapters ago.
Precedence.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Or Oda could've buffed Monet up a bit to at least Brooks' level. This was just bad not because Monet was an endearing mook but because this make Tashigi look horrible and does nothing for Zoro. Well at least it isn't Fishmen Island level bad.
I think she's stronger than Brook. Nami and Chopper needed Robin to bail them out against her, and she did temporarily trap Luffy.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, which I was always doing.
If you were then you wouldn't have commented on the Vice Admiral thing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
She's his assistant, she was never portrayed as nearly as dangerous as, say, Vergo was.
She stopped Luffy dead in his tracks, is an agent of DoFlamingo's, and is the only subordinate Caesar seems at all vaguely interested in keeping around. Admittedly less than Vergo fighting so well against Sanji but she had things going for her before the fight.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why isn't he fighting Vergo then?
Because Vergo is not so much the number two as he is the other number one. Monet technically counts as number 2 for both of them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, remember when he fought Ryuuma, and casually stomped him?Quite a handicap he had to overcome.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that is covered in the clause of "less than 3 swords" that I mentioned earlier. Not that it matters cause I barely remember the fight.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Like that time he one-shot Ryuuma.
"Hey guys he shot this other guy in a fight so he should be allowed to do it and kill all tension and reason at the moment!"
Just because he's done it in the past in a fight I barely remember(which means it probably wasn't a good fight) doesn't excuse that it is stupid now.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Only we saw that Zoro disliked cutting women hundreds of chapters ago.Precedence.
When? When he wouldn't cut Tashigi? Maybe that might have something to do with her looking exactly like his best friend from childhood instead of being a woman.
I mean, we've never actually seen Zoro cutting a woman as far as I remember but we have seen him casually knock one out with a tight grip and knock them out with the back of his blades. There really is no reason not to have done so here if he could do it so casually.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well Fishmen Island consisted of watching 9 Straw Hats casually wrecking ass as if nothing could touch them. So no, even Zoro punking out Monet isn't that bad. And Monet is way more memorable than any Fishmen not named Hody(name the guy who fought Chopper without looking him up!).But yeah, Tashigi looks so worthless which is the worst thing about the chapter.
Decker was more memorable and Tashigi IS worthless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Even though he has no muscles! YOHOHOHOHO!
Love skeleton jokes.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
If you were then you wouldn't have commented on the Vice Admiral thing.
It was one of my minor points, placement in the story was always the crux of my argument.
She stopped Luffy dead in his tracks,
Momentarily, and he proceeded to self-BFR.
is an agent of DoFlamingo's,
So was Bellamy.
and is the only subordinate Caesar seems at all vaguely interested in keeping around.
She's his assistant, yes.
Also hot.
He's ****ing her.
Admittedly less than Vergo fighting so well against Sanji but she had things going for her before the fight.
Right, because all credibility is lost when the second or so strongest Strawhat can beat her.
Zoro's strength is only just shy of Luffy's.
Because Vergo is not so much the number two as he is the other number one. Monet technically counts as number 2 for both of them.
Are you implying they run a train on her?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that is covered in the clause of "less than 3 swords" that I mentioned earlier. Not that it matters cause I barely remember the fight.
He didn't need to use three, and curbstomped him with less than his full might when Ryuuma beat Brook handily.
"Hey guys he shot this other guy in a fight so he should be allowed to do it and kill all tension and reason at the moment!"
What tension? She was never portrayed as a threat to Zoro.
Just because he's done it in the past in a fight I barely remember(which means it probably wasn't a good fight) doesn't excuse that it is stupid now.
It isn't stupid. You just wish Monet was more than she is.
When? When he wouldn't cut Tashigi? Maybe that might have something to do with her looking exactly like his best friend from childhood instead of being a woman.
It could.
I mean, we've never actually seen Zoro cutting a woman as far as I remember but we have seen him casually knock one out with a tight grip
Clearly doesn't qualify as a woman.
and knock them out with the back of his blades. There really is no reason not to have done so here if he could do it so casually.
Should I point out that Zoro actually did cut her?
And he chose to play mindgames with her, which is far more sadistic than just KOing her. Zoro has always been cruel by SH standards.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It was one of my minor points, placement in the story was always the crux of my argument.
If it was the minor point then why did you place it first?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Momentarily, and he proceeded to self-BFR.
Which is good and causes tension. That part worked.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So was Bellamy.
Bellamy had a different context applied to him. That and he is not a new world agent of DoFlamingo who is actually doing important things.
Originally posted by NemeBro
She's his assistant, yes.Also hot.
He's ****ing her.
No he's not. Caesar is clearly gay for Vegapunk.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, because all credibility is lost when the second or so strongest Strawhat can beat her.Zoro's strength is only just shy of Luffy's.
When they are punked out like bitches then yes. Welcome to the New World.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Are you implying they run a train on her?
Vergo once had sex with her. And then he remembered that he didn't. Caesar is still gay for Vegapunk.
Originally posted by NemeBro
He didn't need to use three, and curbstomped him with less than his full might when Ryuuma beat Brook handily.
He didn't have three. And so? Him curbing Ryuuma just shows that he is stronger than him and Brook, which we would have probably already guessed. Him curbing Monet does the same but again, we already know he is better than Tashigi.
Neither makes for an interesting fight...well the Ryuuma one kinda does since it was kinda cool how Ryuuma gave Zoro his sword, which just means it was more interesting from a character standpoint, not an action one. This fight has nothing like that really.
Originally posted by NemeBro
What tension? She was never portrayed as a threat to Zoro.
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No one expected Monet to beat Zoro because she said that she probably wasn't at his level. She was, at best, going to stall him. The tension of the scene comes from the fact that they are kinda in a mother ****ing hurry so being stalled is a really bad thing. And sure enough, the fight took time because Zoro decided not to do the smart thing and beat her immediately(since he apparently could have). Zoro is willingly wasting time in a situation where the tension comes from the hurry the characters are in. This is bad writing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It isn't stupid. You just wish Monet was more than she is.
I wish she hadn't been so casually stomped to the point of making herself and Tashigi look completely worthless yeah. Not because I particularly like her though. She's not the worst or the best villain, she's just kinda okay.
What I WISH was that the scene had built on the tension and not made everyone look stupid.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It could.
It should be honestly. "Yes Kushina, I will honor your memory of wanting to be the strongest swordsman in the world despite your female parts by refusing to cut down fighters with female parts."
Originally posted by NemeBro
Clearly doesn't qualify as a woman.
Does~
Originally posted by NemeBro
Should I point out that Zoro actually did cut her?And he chose to play mindgames with her, which is far more sadistic than just KOing her. Zoro has always been cruel by SH standards.
Please do, it makes this whole "Why didn't he cut her" thing look even more stupid.
Do that when not on the clock.
One of these days Bently, one of these days!
So I assume the next arc will, hopefully, have the Straw Hats face DoFlamingo, since Law will be getting that SAD shit that really grinds his gears and Luffy is allied with him.
Just saying it would be weird for them to fight a Yonko before facing the only Shichibukai they haven't met that the audience has.