Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Alright everybody rank the Strawhats in strength1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Chopper / Robin
5. Robin / Chopper
6. Brooke
7. Franky
8. Ussop
9. Nami
Luffy
Zoro
Robin-Sanji
Franky
Brooke
Chopper*
Nami-Usopp
Vivi
*Most variable due to berserk form which can make him go up a lot but is so risky.
It's really a monstrous 4 at the top, not three (I think Usopp even said as much back at Skypeia).
draxx_tOfU
I still place Brooke's and Franky's overall abilities over Robin's. Brooke may lack Zoro's raw power but the speed and techniques that he's shown are way more impressive than what Robin has displayed.
Robin's the best Strawhat against crowds barring perhaps Luffy, and has defeated some seriously powerful people individually too. Curbstomped Pell and handily beat one of Enel's strongest people, only having any trouble at all due to trying to protect the ruins too.
Remember the fists that she made that slammed the Pacifista's mouth shut when Brook was totally ineffectual? Those aren't even the hundred-hand hands she used against Oars. Versatility she's got a lot too. Flight, giant hands, disarming hands, covering the ground, etc. etc..
Robin's got noticeably more power than Brook does, and also her power pretty much bypasses speed since it appears on the target, there's nothing Brook's speed could do against her, she'd disarm his sword and get him in a hold, game over. Speed's the only thing he's got on her (he's probably the second fastest Strawhat) but everything else is in her advantage.
Zoro and Sanji have the raw muscle to fight against her grips, Brook does not.
Franky has more raw destructive power, but weak points and trouble against agile foes (and hands-appearing sorta replicates agility). Robin's also good at using hands at deflecting weapons and throwing them off-target.
Franky and Robin complement each other fairly well- he does have more raw destructive power with the Coup De Vent, but she'd beat him in a fight.
Brooke's attack on the pacifista is moot since a single pacifista was enough to give some Supernova's and their crew trouble...
Robin does not share a pacifista's durability, and though I think that both can defeat each other, it all comes down to speed, which I think Brooke has the advantage...
Also, I agree that Robin is powerful, I just think that Brooke and Franky are above her in overall abilities...
Here's my list...
Monster trio
Brooke/Franky
Robin/Chopper
Nami/Usopp
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Brooke's attack on the pacifista is moot since a single pacifista was enough to give some Supernova's and their crew trouble...
The point is she was able to do more damage in that fight than he was, Robin's got more offense than he did.
Robin does not share a pacifista's durability, and though I think that both can defeat each other, it all comes down to speed, which I think Brooke has the advantage...
Not really. She can have her arms appear on him, unless he starts in striking range he'll be disarmed right when the fight starts, that's her classic move. Her arms nullify speed, she doesn't really have to worry about speed because her basic attacks are 'already there,' as long as the target's in LOS.
Robin's 'ranged,' Brook's melee only.
Also, I agree that Robin is powerful, I just think that Brooke and Franky are above her in overall abilities...
I don't think their fights bear that out, though. She snapped shadow-Moria and Aokiji in half. She took out Pell, a Zoan warrior (with a flying form known for it's speed no lest) and the strongest in Alabastra, like nothing. Nor do I think any but the strongest three of CP9 would stand a chance. Her powers, more than just pure strength, are highly disruptive, it's very difficult for an enemy to fight as normal with hands actually appearing on them.
Franky's strong, but his powers aren't nearly as cheap or as multi-targeted, and he has cola limits on his best ones. Someone like Nero, who was a real fight for him, would be a breeze for Robin. Someone who's tough but slow, a perfect Franky foe, would still be quite doable for her. And weapon users or someone with an exploitable weak point tend to be totally screwed. Brook's not as good against single foes or groups as she is.
Some of it's not "X is stronger than Y," there's situations where almost any strawhat can be the best, but I think overall her performance is higher than either, and especially Brook.
Originally posted by NemeBro
If Brook is fast enough to close the distance and stab her before she can use her arms to restrain him, then he can kill her.If not, he can't.
Even if he did, she can block with arms (getting damage and pain, sure, but still in the fight). I'd generally bet on 'if not', though. If it's a fight they're unlikely to start too close.
Brooke was fast enough to slice thousands of killer ants individually with pinpoint accuracy in a single dash with his yahazu giri technique...
In a face to face battle, I would safely assume he can do that to a single target, easy...
Brooke's advantage is his speed and accuracy, he was able to defeat and purify a swarm of zombies in thriller bark who were each faster than him back when he had flesh and bones...
Also, Robin breaking Aokiji in half is a poor example of a feat, since considering Aokiji's laziness and confidence in his abilities is comparable to Alucard letting Luke Valentine shoot him before proceeding to own him when he felt like it...
Also, Robin breaking Aokiji in half is a poor example of a feat, since considering Aokiji's laziness and confidence in his abilities is comparable to Alucard letting Luke Valentine shoot him before proceeding to own him when he felt like it...
The point is she can break a human in half with her power. Non-resistant foe, but good strength.
If Luke had ripped Alucard in half, it'd still be a nice strength feat even if the inevitable happened right after.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Wasn't Aokiji in half/ice form when she did that? I don't remember anymore, but yeah, spine breaking with her clutch is pretty cool...
Hm... would that make it harder or easier...? Ice is a pretty tough solid.
She did pull it again against Moria and we heard a loud crack.
Originally posted by Bentley
Like hell. The gulf between Sanji and Robin is even bigger than the one between Zoro and Sanji. The ONLY way to put Robin on Sanji's level is to admit he wouldn't punch her because she's a girl.
Robin is *much* better against groups than he is and a lot more versatile. In overall combat ability, yea, I think they're the same level.
Also, Robin's still suffering from 'East Blue' syndrome, that is, being handicapped for all of her solo fights thus far (ala what Luffy and Zoro had throughout the East Blue), with the exception of ones she curbstomped or was out of her league (Croc, Aok). Not one of of her solo foes has actually given her a hard, close fight without aid, I don't even know if we've seen her best.
Eh, Franky has proved himself more then Robin IMO. His first feat was stalemating Luffy until they were interrupted, and he was the first Strawhat to ever beat a CP9 agent. Not to mention, he was stronger then Chapu even when his Cola reserves were nearly empty.
Hell, when he and Robin went up against the giant Spider-monkey, Robin was only meant to play distraction, then Franky was the one who started finishing it off, until Robin got taken down. Then it was Franky who was able to ditch the webs with his flame breath. Hell, while he lacks the ridiculous determination of the monster trio, he is more purely durable then any member of the crew bar Luffy.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
[B]Eh, Franky has proved himself more then Robin IMO. His first feat was stalemating Luffy until they were interrupted, and he was the first Strawhat to ever beat a CP9 agent. Not to mention, he was stronger then Chapu even when his Cola reserves were nearly empty.
Robin's first feat was disarming the entire strawhat crew and tossing Sanji and Usopp while standing there looking cool.
And she did it again later.
When she started fighting Yama for real, she absolutely owned him, even wounded from defending against his attacks on the ruins earlier.
Hell, when he and Robin went up against the giant Spider-monkey, Robin was only meant to play distraction, then Franky was the one who started finishing it off, until Robin got taken down.
Just trapped by a surprise ambush by the small spiders, mind you. Those ones took Luffy the same way too.
Hell, while he lacks the ridiculous determination of the monster trio, he is more purely durable then any member of the crew bar Luffy.
True, but she's got multi-targeting (she's taken out small armies without blinking!), cheapness, and speed on him, and high versatility. Her big attacks also aren't something that drains her combat ability nearly as much, or even noticeably, for that matter.
They've both got their good points but I think her overall level is higher.
Beh, saying Robin is better than Sanji against groups is faulty, we've seen Sanji take insane amounts of fodder before without slowing down. Sure, she is more versatile but she actually uses a devil fruit, she's also edges Zoro and Luffy -although by a lesser amount- in versatility.
Does anyone remembers the order in which the SH attacked the Pacifista?
Originally posted by Bentley
Beh, saying Robin is better than Sanji against groups is faulty, we've seen Sanji take insane amounts of fodder before without slowing down.
Groups is more than just fodder, she took down the most captains during the Buster Call out of the group I believe.
And she still takes out fodder faster.