Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Ok, Cap surviving having a building fall on his head is just bad writing. He's great and all, but that's just crazy.

Spider-Man cannot collapse a building by hammering it with his head. He can put his fist through the concrete without feeling it, but not his head.

Daredevil has not given Spider-Man the fight of his life. He's challenged Spidey and given him a work-out, but Spidey has faced far worse and come out on top. Daredevil is a good fight for him because of their comparable speed, agility, fighting ability, and spider/radar senses, but Spider-Man vs. Hulk, Juggernaut, and Thanos were more 'fights of his life.' Venom teamed with Spidey wouldn't lose. Wolverine cannot hurt Venom, Daredevil is virtually obsolete against him, and while Cap would have a small chance of success against him, he's still out of his league.

I don't think he needs venom for supprt. DD's senses do make things more difficult, but he's still only human. Capn may be a level ahead of human, but not nearly as far as Spidey. I'm not trying to b a Spidey webhole kisser, I'm just adding the facts from my knowlege of comic history, history, and abilities. bad writing is bad writing. I can't tell you how many times writer's down play spidey to fit some crappy storyline, or to be in the same light as weaker heroes. Spidey isn't a weakling, but he's no Thor or Collosus either, so when paired up with one or the other type, his powers sway in that direction. When he faces the likes of Thor and Hulk, and Thing, his powers are completely norma. But when facing ppl like Wolvy and DD, his powers get down played and Spidey either holds back too much or made out to be a joke. Like I said, bad writing is bad writing. I go by their own personal stories and then match them up.

Man I hate this, everytime someone like spiderman or cap A take out someone comletely out of their league it's because of the fact that they're so great and resourcful blah blah blah, but when someone like wolverine or dd do, it's bad writing? WTF?!? you want bad writing? I gotcher bad writing right here, how about secret wars? Spidey takes the x-men? galactus gets beat down to within an inch of his existence? and a relitively not pissed hulk (at least not berserk) lifts a 150 billion ton mountain? now that's bad writing but people bring that crap up in almost every dispute about concerning these characters, but can I contest to the fact that it happened? no, cause it did. Point is Cap A as taken down several of spiderman's tougher foes with relative ease, DD as done so as well, and has given spidey more than a run for his money on several occasions, and wolverine went toe to toe with spidey (nearly to the death). I love spider-man but he only has a slight advantage (if any) against any one of these members, but against them all as a team, he's a gonner plain and simple. The only real chance that he has is that if their teamwork is so horrible that he can knock them into eachother and run away.

Originally posted by jinzin
Man I hate this, everytime someone like spiderman or cap A take out someone comletely out of their league it's because of the fact that they're so great and resourcful blah blah blah, but when someone like wolverine or dd do, it's bad writing? WTF?!? you want bad writing? I gotcher bad writing right here, how about secret wars? Spidey takes the x-men? galactus gets beat down to within an inch of his existence? and a relitively not pissed hulk (at least not berserk) lifts a 150 billion ton mountain? now that's bad writing but people bring that crap up in almost every dispute about concerning these characters, but can I contest to the fact that it happened? no, cause it did. Point is Cap A as taken down several of spiderman's tougher foes with relative ease, DD as done so as well, and has given spidey more than a run for his money on several occasions, and wolverine went toe to toe with spidey (nearly to the death). I love spider-man but he only has a slight advantage (if any) against any one of these members, but against them all as a team, he's a gonner plain and simple. The only real chance that he has is that if their teamwork is so horrible that he can knock them into eachother and run away.

You're also right when you say that the three against Spider-Man is too much, Spider-Man won't stand a chance (hm, a little one). But it's hardly relevant when you say Captain America has fought and defeated stronger foes than him, because that's what ALL superheroes do : fight villains who are in most cases much stronger and durable than the heroes. Cap does it all the time, but so does Spider-Man.

Mercilous, sorry for the delayed response. I relize that it has been days since you asked your question, but I have been very busy these past few days. I was curious about your knowledge of Spiderman because you stated that Spiderman was not that much faster than a human. There is a comic book that states Spiderman is 40 times faster than a human. The slowest I have ever heard a Spiderman reader refer to parker's speed is 15 times faster than human.

cant complain there

i agree and disagree with who-kid. I agree that heroes always fight ppl stronger than them, but I don't think Spidey has only a slight chance of winning. Spidey's abilities change from writer to writer. I'm sticking with the origional spidey who rarely gets caught in a fight, if at all, and who can bench 20,000 pounds, like he is suposed to. I'm taking my stats from a 25th Anniversary Amazing Spiderman, where it shows him dodge Wolvy, Wonder man, Mr. Fantastic, and many others like it's a day in the park. that version of Spidey has a good chance on all three. speed, strength agility, it's over. i just don't think they have wut it takes. They r all considerably weaker and slower than spidey. and all three combined can't match him statisticlly. that's where I stand on the issue.

Bad writing is fairly common in comic books. You have to understand, these guys are not exactly Shakespeare we're dealing with.

yeah they like to add and take away powers at specific times to make their lame stories work.

You Spidey guys sit here and quote this comic for "Spider-Man can do this", and another comic for "Spider-Man can do that", but when someone else quotes a comic that goes against your grain (and is still on the news stands as we speak), it's "bad writing." I don't think so. I used that example because you could easily go spend the $3 bucks and read it for yourself, but there are many other examples I could quote from the 63 years worth of Cap's existence. Examples of Cap taking full on punches from Thor or the Hulk directly in the shield and keep on standing, jumping from a helicopter or the top of a building and landing on his feet and ready to fight, or taking out mutiple villians in a single skirmish (such as the Hob Goblin and Lady Octopus, both Spidey foes, in the latest issue of "Secret War" (the one with Cap on the cover)). You ask for facts, I give 'em to you. And if you analyze all of them together, there is no way Spider-Man beats Captain America AND Wolverine AND Dare Devil at the SAME TIME. Any one would give him a good rumble; together, as a team, it just ain't gonna happen.

If Hulk or Thor really wanted to, they could throw Captain America away. Whenever you are comparing heroes to other heroes, taking out villains is not really impressive evidence. I assure you, Lady Octopus or Hobgoblin will not be killing off popular heroes anytime soon.

No, Hulk couldn't do squat. He got fustrated and left.

As I'm sure you'll agree, most heroes could "throw away", or effectively rid the world once and for all, of most other characters if they wanted to. They don't because they are HEROES (even the Hulk). Again, my point was simply to point out that Cap is not just "some dude who works out a lot". He has power, resilience and endurance that go far beyond what "just a human" could accomplish or withstand. And once you add Wolverine and DD to the picture, Spider-Man just doesn't have what it takes to be the last man up. And the reference to Lady Octopus and Hob Goblin was simply to point out a couple more of Spidey's foes that Cap has mopped the floor with. Every one keeps bringing up Venom.

Captain America's power and endurance is the peak of human capabilities. No more, no less. He is just barely stronger and faster than Batman, Daredevil, Punisher, and other heroes of that street level type. Cap could cream my neighbor in a race. If he race in the Olympics, he would set a new world record. However, in comparison to other super heroes that have enhanced physical stats, he is very slow. Mercilous, you have mentioned the Hulk a few times in reference to Captain America. Are you implying that Captain America could even hurt the Hulk?

Even I'm not saying that. But I do think Cap could defeat the Hulk. Strategy and intelligence would obviously play a HUGE roll in the fight, but I think the outcome in the end would be: Cap 1, Hulk 0. Cap would just have to stay out of his way long enough to figure out how to bring him down.

Well, at least your consistent. If I thought Captain America can beat the Hulk, I would think the good captain can beat Spiderman. Can you tell me in what manner Cap could possibly beat Hulk?

I think... well, you see... first he'd... then he could... nah, matches, I got nothin'. But hey, he's the master strategist and technician, not me.

*Sounded good when I was typing it in my head. Are we the only 2 arguing these 2 threads or what.*

In the Ultimates he simply outfights him, I don't agree with this. I've only brought up the Hulk because some here expressed that Spiderman could simply hit the good Cap once and be threw with it. Spiderman can not punch as hard as the Hulk. See what I'm getting at? Hulk kept gettin angrier and angrier until he was fustrated and went away. I count that as a victory (of some sorts at least.)

I'll go with that (even though I'm not a big fan of the Ultimates, Cap did fight Hulk to a "frustrated" stand-still). If Cap can dodge Hulk long enough, I think HE could figure out a way to beat him.

Looks it like it. Maybe Mercilous will probably chime in pretty soon. He's pretty hardcore about Captain America as well. It seems he likes human type heroes like Batman and Cap. The only thing that has surprised me about this thread is the lack of Daredevil arguments. As expected, Wolverine8888 showed up to help out his boy Logan. There has been Cap fans. But, it almost seems Daredevil has been rendered obsolete in this argument. Where the heck is Cosmo Kramer?