Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Ragesremorse, do you think Spiderman and Daredevil are equal in speed?
This is my point exactly. DD on fighting ability alone stands up to Spidey, someone who otherwise outclasses him in everyway. Do you think even better fighting skills could make up for a lack of radar? Why not, relfexes can be conditioned.
Dardevils fighting abilities wouldnt be enough to gain an edge on Spiderman. It Would be a major aspect in daredevils arsenal, but Spiderman is superhuman, and daredevil is just human. Spidermans endurance would prevail over Daredevils martial arts.Though Dardevil isnt just a martial artist, His fighting abilities are just a small portion of his overall package, When mixed with his other abilities his knowledge in fighting would be a threat to Spiderman, assuming he could last long enough to break down Spidey's endurance.
As to who's faster. I would think that it is obvious that Spiderman is the fastet gun in this draw. Spidey's agility and reaction time is enough to allow him to go up against characters that he is otherwise outclassed. Spidey's agility would be a big factor in fighting against DD, but i dont think it would hold that much advantage over DD. Spidermans spidey sense would be pretty much useless against DD. Spidey would be forced to fight closed quarters against DD. A spidey sense cant predict where danger is coming from, only that it is coming. Spiderman's webbing wouldnt be that useful against DD due to his radar sense, DD would hear his webbing before it was ejected from it's cartridge. I think these two characters are more evenly matched than people give DD credit for, but i guess many people see the big factor that decides the match, which is super strength and endurance.
I am more than sure that DD could escape Spidey's attacks for some time, but sooner or later, Spidey is going to land some dump truck punches on DD, and breaking down Spidey's endurance would drive DD to near exhuastion. However, DD wouldnt just fight against spidey using fighting techniques, he would be using any tactics to his knowledge, and he is basically marvel's top martial artist.
i did say that DD was the most suited to fighting spidey{even though hell most definately lose to cap, DD i mean, but hes suited for this fight more than cap or wolvie} but u have made some errors, spideys spider sense isnt just alone there, its got his around 10 to 15 times faster than human reflex plus spideys super agile body to back it up with, thats why spidey has been known to dodge incoming bullets even at close ranges.
and DD isnt marvel's best martial artist, there are many above him, and spidey is also a very skilled martial artist, the only reason we hardly see that is that he has combined his fighting skill with his agility ang super strength and reflexes to make a unique fighting style which isnt as flashy as most martial artists, but is more effective. also, spideys indurance is something that shouldnt be underestimated, he is SUPER HUMAN, in every sense of the word, while DD is only human, spideys agility WILL matter a great deal against daredevil but just not as much as it normally would against the other two, because DD can to SOME DEGREE, detect fast incoming blows, he might even avoid a few of them{which would be impossible for wolvie or cap, because they only have HUMAN reflexes and spidey is superhumanly fast} but even DD reflexes have a limit and spideys speed does indeed cross that limit.
also, even though murdock might be able to detect the incoming web, and might be able to dodge it if its a single tough strand{like in webslinging}, but remember that spidey can also shape it like a huge wide net, and since DD has no superhuman agility, helll detect it but wont be able to get away from it in time.
i hope that my logic is convincing enough, cause i know its no use tryin to make people in these forums to just forcefully listen to ur oppinion
anyway, i still maintain that its wrong to compare even these three great heroes against spidey cause even all three of em are outclassed here{not in skill, but because of the fact that they are human, but spidey is superhuman}
this is just like puttin spidey in a match with magneto or cable, its just not fair.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Captain America and Wolverines abilities and past experiences are enough and dont need to be explained why either one of them is enough to fight against Spiderman in an evenly fought bout. I believe this vs thread highly degrates captain america, daredevil and wolverine as superhero's by actually trying to seriously debate if these three would be enough to take down Spiderman.
Preach on, my brotha! I think the Spidey fans have been reading their comics through their Burger King Spider-Man glasses for too long, if they think that even one of these guys couldn't give Spider-Man a run. To think that the 3 of them together couldn't soundly whip him is both degrading and insulting to the characters and their respective fans. Nowhere in the history of Marvel are you going to find a character of Spidey's calibre easily defeating 3 characters of Cap, Wolverine, and DD's history and abilities. Spider-Man is a great character, and has brought Marvel into the black for the first time in a long time, but he is not the end-all, be-all of comic book heroes. HE WOULD LOSE. Period.
Originally posted by Capt.JK
You Spidey guys sit here and quote this comic for "Spider-Man can do this", and another comic for "Spider-Man can do that", but when someone else quotes a comic that goes against your grain (and is still on the news stands as we speak), it's "bad writing." I don't think so. I used that example because you could easily go spend the $3 bucks and read it for yourself, but there are many other examples I could quote from the 63 years worth of Cap's existence. Examples of Cap taking full on punches from Thor or the Hulk directly in the shield and keep on standing, jumping from a helicopter or the top of a building and landing on his feet and ready to fight, or taking out mutiple villians in a single skirmish (such as the Hob Goblin and Lady Octopus, both Spidey foes, in the latest issue of "Secret War" (the one with Cap on the cover)). You ask for facts, I give 'em to you. And if you analyze all of them together, there is no way Spider-Man beats Captain America AND Wolverine AND Dare Devil at the SAME TIME. Any one would give him a good rumble; together, as a team, it just ain't gonna happen.
Well I've never quoted an instance where Spider-Man survived having a building fall on him. Even he would not likely survive that, but Captain America is only the perfect, optimal human being. He does things normal humans can't do, but he's still not at the level where he'll shrug off a building. As for Hulk and Thor, of course Cap's shield can take a blow from them, it's Cap's shield. I would never argue that it couldn't. Cap himself on the other hand is going to be knocked out with one punch. I do agree the three against one is going to be difficult for Spidey to take. He's taken on the Sinister Six before, but Doc Ock is hardly the leader Cap is; and he had major trouble taking them on. It would, however, be a better fight than I think you give him credit for.
Spider-Man isn't a martial artist. He doesn't have karate, kung-fu, jujitsu, or any other form's skills. He's simply a street fighter and he is so agile that he appears to be a martial artist. However, martial arts skills are in no way superior to enhanced strength and speed. I've studied martial arts before and I'd much rather have Spidey's strength and speed. They don't compare. He went up against the Cat *didn't really fight back* and dodged every punch and kick thrown at him. Daredevil stays in the fight with Spidey for two reasons: he has a radar sense that helps him determine Spider-Man's moves and they are friends, thus Spidey is always reluctant to fight him. When he let loose, however, he tore Daredevil a new one, and that was after Daredevil started to unleash on Spidey. He didn't give him a chance to breathe and Spidey still shrugged off DD's blows. Daredevil is a good match for Spidey in an exhibition fight, meaning their moves are pretty to see against one another, but in a no-holds barred fight, it's not as good a match as some want to believe. Wolverine isn't even as good as Daredevil, Cap is above him, but still not Spider-Man level. Again though, all three is a different story of course. But I maintain that's a unfair fight, lol.
all three.....I'm not trying to b bias here. I just don't think if Spidey was serious, they could
1. catch him
2. overpower him
3. beat him sensless
Spidey has had more dangerous foes who were out for blood, and He has prevailed. Im not trying to down play neone else. That's just how I figure things are from the facts.
Spidey can smash a human skull with relative ease, so if he just went after DD, no matter if he knows its coming or not he's not fast enough to dodge him for more than two swings (he'd be lucky) and not get knocked out in one blow. Same goes for wolvie, though stronger and much more enduring (the origional one, u kno the one that actually COULD die) Spidey has lifted the thing who is not slow in the least. Spidey could just use a net web, or just throw him around. Same goes for capn. they arent strong enough to break Spidey's webbing, and not fast enought to really deal with his webbing before they get knocked out. And you can't really outfight Spidey, cuz the spidey sense combined with his SUper Human abilities, he kinda has his own martial art that can't be matched unless u have similar stats (i.e. strength, speed, reaction time, endurance....cap getting hit in the shield means nothing......it's a shield, not his body). It would be a good fight either way, but I don't see them winning.
while he's smashing dd's head in what do you think the other two are gonna do? sit there and watch their teammate get annihilated...obviously not
spidey would definitely have a hard time with cap or wolvie by themselves, so i think mixing the two with someone like daredevil just calls for a real fast-paced tactical fight, one which imo would end with spidey getting knocked out, no killing though, as neither of them would actually kill eachother
Spidey is not dumb enough to get caught that closely with all three, and he will have hight advantage. giving him more time to deal with them and also pick them out one by one. Spidey can move along walls and cielings just as easily as on the ground. Projectiles are usless at this point.
While they are trying to take out spidey, spidey can multi task. Dodging others and attacking someone else at the same time. This Spidey can do with ease. No one there can catch spidey without tactics, and spidey is smart and knows how to use his own powers effectively, and his Spidey sense amplifies that.
I said spidey COULD crush a human skull with relative ease, and then I said he could KNOCK out DD with relative ease. Don't tell me DD can take a punch to the head with potentially (a range of) 20,000 pounds of pressure behind it(not counting punching speed).
no no no, i mean jump 20feet up a wall and use his web to take the fight in the air with one. WHile the others try to intervene they are at a time and distance disadvantage cuz they'd have to get to him. (wolvy wud try climbing with his claws or somn, and cap would use his shield to knock spidey down, which wouldn't work. He would need to hold on the the shield for close quarters fighting, defending, and projecting, but not get too far from it. other wise he is a sitting duck.)
sure spidey can jump 20 feet up a wall, as for him taking someone up with him, i really doubt it would work, either way thats just ONE out of the THREE characters he's fighting (Assuming he takes up dd, taking up wolvie would get him in big trouble and taking up cap would be a huge mistake)
i dont think you know much about cap, dd, or wolverine
Originally posted by leonheartmm
anyway, i still maintain that its wrong to compare even these three great heroes against spidey cause even all three of em are outclassed here{not in skill, but because of the fact that they are human, but spidey is superhuman}
this is just like puttin spidey in a match with magneto or cable, its just not fair.
Excluding DD, Captain America and Wolverine fight Superhuman villians, on a nearly regular basis. They have fought and conquered people stronger and smarter than Spiderman. I am not saying this proves they win, only that it should be more than enough to prove that they are enough to be a supreme threat over Spdierman. with Captain America's enhanced everything, and Wolverines healing factor , we can pretty much call these two superhuman.