Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

You can not call Captain America super human because he is not. Wolverine can be called super human human because he does have powers. Maybe he doesn't have any physical powers, but the healing factor will come in handy. When he finally heals from the beat down, he can bury his two fallen comrades. Every hero beats villains that are more powerful. Thus, it is pointless to bring up victories over villains. Captain America, Daredevil, and Wolverine are very low in the Marvel Universe Hierarchy. They can be very easily dispatched by any hero that is about mid-level, such as Spiderman. In the same manner, a hero like Silver Surfer can easily dispatch heroes that are mid-level. That's just the way it is. Going against Spiderman, these three heroes are out of their league.

Captain America is superhuman. He took a super-soldier serum in WWII and became super strong, super fast, and with super agility. A human being could lift 800 lbs (an Olympian weightlifter anyway) and a gymnast could do some of his moves, and Bruce Lee could arguably take him in a martial arts fight, but nobody has all of Cap's abilities rolled up into one.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Captain America, Daredevil, and Wolverine are very low in the Marvel Universe Hierarchy. They can be very easily dispatched by any hero that is about mid-level, such as Spiderman. In the same manner, a hero like Silver Surfer can easily dispatch heroes that are mid-level. That's just the way it is. Going against Spiderman, these three heroes are out of their league.

in scope there would have to be more levels than simply low, mid, and high-levels......it would be low-level(daredevil, not saying theres anything wrong with that) semi-low-level(spiderman) mid-level(thing and hulk) high-level(silver surfer) god-level(living tribunal).......this could really be fixed though as this is all just go along and really no deep thought in it (im really not in the mood to give it deep thought either)

Almost everybody has fought the friggen Hulk. Does that mean everybody is on the same level? No, because almost nobody can beat the Hulk. Only Surfer and a few other heroes can beat Hulk. Of course there are more levels in the Marvel Universe Hierarchy than low, mid, and high. There are more levels than you have mentioned as well. Did you think I was going to go in depth about where they stand? Of course not. I used low, mid, and high to get the point across. I assure you, most people that construct a Hierarchy list of heroes, will have Daredevil, Captain America, and Wolverine dang near the bottom.

There are too many examples of "low level" characters beating characters that are out of there league. To say that "high" beats "low" every time is rediculous.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
There are too many examples of "low level" characters beating characters that are out of there league. To say that "high" beats "low" every time is rediculous.

Yeah, if this were true, every superhero, Excluding Superman and the hulk would be dead. Intelligence and teamwork is usually the major factors. I dont know who posted it, but Captain America is superhuman. All of his physical traits have been enhanced beyond a regualar human capacity. Isnt that that super human? ok...ok maybe it's just more human than human.

Mercilous, I have not stated that high beats low every time. But, If I did state that, It would not be ridiculous. It would be pretty accurate. Excluding heroes vs. villains, I will go as far to say that high beats low about 99% of the time. I understand that Spiderman is not a high level character, but I am just responding to your statement. RagesRemorse, do you understand that Captain America is not much faster than Batman, Daredevil, or any other olympic level hero that has not had physical enhancements? I am just asking that question so I can understand your point of view.

Of course i understand it. TEchnically though, Captain America is considered superhuman. He does things that other humans cant and could never do. Maybe these abilities are not that greater than an athlete ho trains his body to peak performance, but they still exceed regualr human ability. He is in the middle of being a superhuman, by comic standards, and just a self proclaimed superhero...Man, that would have to suck.

I completely agree with that.

argue long enough, and you'll agree on something.

I completely agree with that.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Mercilous, I have not stated that high beats low every time. But, If I did state that, It would not be ridiculous. It would be pretty accurate. Excluding heroes vs. villains, I will go as far to say that high beats low about 99% of the time. I understand that Spiderman is not a high level character, but I am just responding to your statement. RagesRemorse, do you understand that Captain America is not much faster than Batman, Daredevil, or any other olympic level hero that has not had physical enhancements? I am just asking that question so I can understand your point of view.

You mean like when Punisher beat Spider-man, DD, and Wolverine at the same time? Or when Batman beat Superman? Or when Black Panther beat the FF? Or when the Noid beat Little Cease... well you get my point.

No, I don't get your point. You listed some ambushes there. Punisher could not beat those three without advanced prep time. Superman vs. Batman? If Superman had the same prep time, he would just go to wayne manor while Bruce slept and throw him out the window. If Fantastic Four were ready, any of them can dispatch Panther. In a vs. thread, it is not fair to give one side prep time and not the other.

You telling me Reed Richards isn't prepared? What prep does a heavy weight rockman or a superheavy weight superman need? Punisher beath those guys more than once, the first time without prep. Since when can you enter Wayne manor without getting picked up on the ol' Bat-radar? For someone who chose the name Matches Malone, I'd expect you to know more about comics than what you are showing me right now. First it's 99% of the time, and now it's 99% of the time with no prep time. Still, you are vastly wrong.

I don't care if Superman comes up on imaginary radar. If Batman is unsuspecting and Superman desired, nothing is going to stop Superman from flying through Bruce's house and throwing him away. It would take more effort for him to brew a cup of coffee. Batman is alive because Superman allows it. In regards to your comments about high level heroes defeating low level heroes, it is 99% with both sides having equal prep time(fair match). Period. I wasn't aware that I had to state in a vs. thread that neither side would get ambushed. Do you think you can start giving me examples of when a street level character beat a super powered heavy weight when both are ready to fight?

I did. But if you really want, start a thread, and you'll probably see hundreds.

No, you haven't. Give me examples of when a street level character beat a super powered heavy weight when both sides are ready to fight.

Woah woah woah, hold up there Malone. No one was talking about street level to superheavy weight. Just out of the same league.

Either way, punisher beat those three aforementioned the first time without prep. Spiderman has taken plenty of characters out of his league on chance encounters. Probably every hero has. Was DD prepared for Ultron?

in what comic did punisher beat them?

spiderman ended up with a 50/50 match up against wolverine alone on a chance encounter

Punisher. I don't remember the number. It was like a year back before it turned into a Max comic.