I agree the way he offed some of the heroes was lame (Spidey begging for his life? Gimme a break.) But I think overall it was a good story. I liked the point it tried to make about everything we do and the choices we make affects other people, even if we don't realize it. If you take away the familiarity we have with the characters and just look at it as a stand alone story, it's pretty good. I didn't agree that most of what was in that book could really happen in the Marvel Universe, but as a "What If", I thought it was a good story (And I don't even like the Punisher).
Yeah maybe the story of the choices we make was interesting, but it was overshadowed by the piss-poor way he handled the fights. None of the characters would have died in that manner. Spider-Man wouldn't have even gotten to the point of begging for his life; his spider-sense would have warned him, and besides which, Venom's symbiote can't be killed by a taser gun or whatever it was.
I looked at the book again, since we were talking about it. Punisher electrocutes the two of them (Spidey and Venom) by stringing high-voltage electrical wire across the sewer system where they were fighting. A) Spider-Man's senses did go off, but too late to avoid being electrocuted, and B) Does electricity hurt the symbiote? Anyway, Spider-Man begs for his life and Punisher shoots him in the face.
......lololol, rofl!!!! that is the bigest pile o crap I ever heard!! Spidey would never beg 4 his own life, and if he had the energy to speak, he would've summoned a Spidey fury and punched the mess out of punisher. Spidey never gives up!! and certainly not to the likes of some wacko ex donut eating pig! Spidey's no cottdamn punk! And he has more pride than to let ONE crackhead trigger happy moron take him out!
No, electricity doesn't harm Venom. It tickles him if it's a big enough jolt, but it doesn't disintegrate the symbiote like in that issue. The thing is though, Spider-Man's spider-sense would go off long before he even approached the wire. He and Venom were in the middle of a fight when it happened, but he would have been warned several seconds beforehand. Plus he would have most likely known Punisher was hiding in the shadows. The spider-sense has been known to go off if some regular joe on the street looks cross-eyed at Peter, much less if someone is hiding in ambush.
Punisher would've been found out by spidey b4 the fght started, and the symbiote has its own degree of sensing ability. it could judst send some of itself out to punisher underwater, and then have it bite him in the nuts. and electricity CAN hurt venom, but not destroy the symbiote so easily..........biggest load o crap ever!
Ha I just found this thread. How hillarious. Just had to get in my two cents.
If Marvel writers took everything into consideration.
Spiderman would only beat Wolverine 75% of the time. Wolverine would
probably take the other 25% because of his healing factor.
Spiderman would take Capt America 85% of the time. Capt America could get Spiderman the other 15% of the time by using his smarts to lull Spiderman into thinking he is winning. And plus Cap is an American hero, has superior fighting ability, and can absorb any blows with his shield.
Spiderman would take DD 90% of the time. Jeez, Daredevil's senses are on par with Spiderman's and some could argue better in some situations. They could dodge each other forever until Spiderman connected with one or two blows.
So if we did vector math along with venn diagrams and probability equations.... Spiderman would have the edge in this battle only 51% of the time. Almost a toss up.
So IMO, that would probably make Wolverine the last one standing and it may all depend on how tired Spiderman would be.
Ebosian, I would appreciate it if you would humor me and respond to my post. When you say "if Marvel writers took everything into consideration", I assume you mean everything logical. Because, if they took popularity into consideration, most of these fights would end in a draw. If I am correct and you did mean everything logical, then I have a few remarks. How would Wolverine win 25% percent of his fights? Spiderman is grossly stronger and faster than Wolverine, which enables him to take him out quickly in a variety of ways. Wolverine's healing would just ensure that he would heal from all of his losses. How would Cap win 15%? Cap's shield can absorb blows from people vastly stronger than Spiderman. But, Spiderman is about 20 times faster than Cap and can get by the shield with ease. How can Cap use his smarts to trick Spidy into thinking he is winning? It just takes one of Spidy's punches to connect for Cap to be done. Finally, How does Daredevil win 10%? Daredevil's senses are better in some non-combat situations. But, in combat, Spidy's senses are always a great deal better. Spiderman needs one blow and he will get it very fast, considering Daredevil is just the slightest bit slower than Cap. Thanks for your time.
Yeah, I got some jovial explanations. May not be absolutely logical, but I was trying to find the best scenario for the 3 some.
First, if we were talking about the Wolverine of old, then I would have said Spiderman without doubt. But since writters have started to make Wolverine take major damage without passing out/dieing etc, I had to mixed the two Wolverines together. As far as Captain America, he is an icon and I just don't think the writters would make him go down as easily as he could go down against Spiderman. Captain America is a master fighting technician, I can see them writting him backing up or jumping backwords to get Spiderman in close. He is not as fast as Spiderman, but may be able to negate a lot of speed in enclosed areas.
As one writer says, A heavy lucky swing of his shield to the adam's apple can knock the wind out of Spiderman. Thats where I get the 15%
in those conditons. With DD, the conditions may have to be more in DD's favor dark room (black), enclosed space, and DD getting off a heck of a lot of hits. In those conditions DD's senses, imo, would be better against Spiderman. So I was giving very generous conditions in which they individually did the best agains the wall crawler, and still webs comes out on top in those conditions. But it is almost impossible to put those conditions together for all three to fight in. (Capt America and Wolverine would be nullified in a dark room (maybe DD gives them night vision glasses)) If you somehow ignored this and went with the optimal scenario for the 3 some, thats how I come up with the wall crawler only winning by a bit.
But a chance meeting without the ego of icon writters on an open street is a different animal vastly skewed towards Spiderman, but we all know that lower characters have chances of taking out higher ones.
Originally posted by ebosian
Yeah, I got some jovial explanations. May not be absolutely logical, but I was trying to find the best scenario for the 3 some.First, if we were talking about the Wolverine of old, then I would have said Spiderman without doubt. But since writters have started to make Wolverine take major damage without passing out/dieing etc, I had to mixed the two Wolverines together. As far as Captain America, he is an icon and I just don't think the writters would make him go down as easily as he could go down against Spiderman. Captain America is a master fighting technician, I can see them writting him backing up or jumping backwords to get Spiderman in close. He is not as fast as Spiderman, but may be able to negate a lot of speed in enclosed areas.
As one writer says, A heavy lucky swing of his shield to the adam's apple can knock the wind out of Spiderman. Thats where I get the 15%
in those conditons. With DD, the conditions may have to be more in DD's favor dark room (black), enclosed space, and DD getting off a heck of a lot of hits. In those conditions DD's senses, imo, would be better against Spiderman. So I was giving very generous conditions in which they individually did the best agains the wall crawler, and still webs comes out on top in those conditions. But it is almost impossible to put those conditions together for all three to fight in. (Capt America and Wolverine would be nullified in a dark room (maybe DD gives them night vision glasses)) If you somehow ignored this and went with the optimal scenario for the 3 some, thats how I come up with the wall crawler only winning by a bit.But a chance meeting without the ego of icon writters on an open street is a different animal vastly skewed towards Spiderman, but we all know that lower characters have chances of taking out higher ones.
Well, Ebosian, I can agree with that. I don't think Cap can get a lucky hit to the adam's apple on someone who is a great deal faster and has a precognitive warning system. A dark setting would make it hard for Spiderman to hit Daredevil, but Spidy can still use his speed and danger sense to avoid every single one of Daredevil's attacks. But, I do agree with almost all of your comments. Thanks for taking your time to respond to my post.
This fight is over in less than 60 seconds. The only way I see a possible victory is for Spidey to flee, thus ensuing a chase scenario. It is possible he could pick each off individually, one at a time, depending on who gets to him first.
But, if you say Spidey is on the offensive and like wants to go try and kick some booty? He goes down in less than 60 seconds.