Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Creshosk
As opposed to other people who don't provide any evidence and want us to go soley on their word despite their word contradicting existing evidence.

I wouldn't lie to win. most people won't. it's really a hollow victory. There is an issue where Spiderman takes on the Vulture and before he had encountered him Spidey had just stopped a group of guys trying to kill some scrub.

Spider-man used a thick spray and just glued everything up as casual as taking a piss in the street.
We already know that spider-mans aim has matched every marksman's under insane conditions and using insane methods.

Why should I think that Wolverine, Cap, and DD have an advantage when Spiderman has every physical advantage. He is faster and stronger than even Wolverine and that is a given. He has been shown performing feats of superhuman speed that Wolverine can not.

He also has a weapon that is extremly versatile, and has become a master of using many of the unique options the webshooters give him.

Let's add in an aim that is obviously superhuman and a Spider-sense that exists and has ALWAYS existed. Don't forget his enhanced equlibrium and flexbility. Are reflexes and agility important when avoiding getting hit? Yes. That's a given. Are Spiderman's reflexes and agility superhuman? You tell me.

The trio doesn't have the comic book "instant win for the righteous cause" advantage either because that is imagined and fictional. Some villians ONLY lose due to repeated bad luck COMBINED with a concentrated perseverance from ALL the heroes.

If Onslaught had killed the Hulk while he had Banner in his mind, BYE BYE MARVEL!
If Superman hadn't succeeded in killing the original Doomsday with ONE FINAL PUNCH that....KILLED SUPERMAN!!!!!! bye bye DC! (from what I've read on these threads Superman can't be killed by much other than kryptonite.)

This perspective would villify Spider-man because captain america is the flagship hero.

So I propose that you consider that Captain america has lost his girl and he's getting paid to team up with DD and Wolverine to kill Spiderman for Bruce Wayne for 1 billion dollars

Lets say Spider-man lost Mary Jane 2 months previous and he now shows no mercy, ever. No heroes here, just ex-heros.

I'm just trying to remove "hero-worship" ( The technical form) from the formula because Cap is definitely a more well known and respected hero than Spidey due to his actions as a patriot.

When I look at the battle like this, I see two skilled humans, and an enhanced human strength mutant teaming up to fight Marvels humanized Superman=The Spider-man. I'm not implying that Spidey is the equivalant of Super-man in any way other than star power for the company.

Superman and Spider-man can splash a human but they hold back, and have NEVER done it to another hero. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall either of them erasing a hero completely.

Wolverine can be incapacitated and has been before. An earlier photo showed him embarrasingly trapped after a frontal confrontation. Spidey didn't even use globs.

peace
😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER

Originally posted by The MISTER
I wouldn't lie to win. most people won't. it's really a hollow victory.

Originally posted by The MISTER
There is an issue where Spiderman takes on the Vulture and before he had encountered him Spidey had just stopped a group of guys trying to kill some scrub.
Spider-man used a thick spray and just glued everything up as casual as taking a piss in the street.
We already know that spider-mans aim has matched every marksman's under insane conditions and using insane methods.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Why should I think that Wolverine, Cap, and DD have an advantage when Spiderman has every physical advantage.

Originally posted by The MISTER
He is faster and stronger than even Wolverine and that is a given.

Originally posted by The MISTER
He has been shown performing feats of superhuman speed that Wolverine can not.

Originally posted by The MISTER
He also has a weapon that is extremly versatile, and has become a master of using many of the unique options the webshooters give him.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Let's add in an aim that is obviously superhuman

Sort of like Superman's "Superweaving" power. . . is just regular weaving using his superspeed. Or Supermans "Supermathmatics" that was regular highschool mathmatics (that he still got the question wrong)

It's a semantic classification.

Originally posted by The MISTER
and a Spider-sense that exists and has ALWAYS existed.

Both have been inconsistant, but we're supposed to be using their best examples, not their worst.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Don't forget his enhanced equlibrium and flexbility.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Are reflexes and agility important when avoiding getting hit? Yes. That's a given. Are Spiderman's reflexes and agility superhuman? You tell me.

Let's use some numbers to show you what I mean.

If peak human maximum is a 6 then even just a 7 would be superhuman.

7 is greater than 6 but not by much.

Super human would be clasified as ">6" So any number greater than 6 would be superhuman. be it 7, 15, 30 or even 100.

but human average could still be 3. 6 is greater than 3 by a greater degree than 7 is over 6, and 7 is greater than three by more than double.

Now keep in mind we don't know what the specific numbers are.

Originally posted by The MISTER
The trio doesn't have the comic book "instant win for the righteous cause" advantage either because that is imagined and fictional. Some villians ONLY lose due to repeated bad luck COMBINED with a concentrated perseverance from ALL the heroes.

Originally posted by The MISTER
If Onslaught had killed the Hulk while he had Banner in his mind, BYE BYE MARVEL!
If Superman hadn't succeeded in killing the original Doomsday with ONE FINAL PUNCH that....KILLED SUPERMAN!!!!!! bye bye DC! (from what I've read on these threads Superman can't be killed by much other than kryptonite.)

Originally posted by The MISTER
This perspective would villify Spider-man because captain america is the flagship hero.

Originally posted by The MISTER
So I propose that you consider that Captain america has lost his girl and he's getting paid to team up with DD and Wolverine to kill Spiderman for Bruce Wayne for 1 billion dollars

Originally posted by The MISTER
Lets say Spider-man lost Mary Jane 2 months previous and he now shows no mercy, ever. No heroes here, just ex-heros.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm just trying to remove "hero-worship" ( The technical form) from the formula because Cap is definitely a more well known and respected hero than Spidey due to his actions as a patriot.

Originally posted by The MISTER
When I look at the battle like this, I see two skilled humans, and an enhanced human strength mutant teaming up to fight Marvels humanized Superman=The Spider-man. I'm not implying that Spidey is the equivalant of Super-man in any way other than star power for the company.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Superman and Spider-man can splash a human but they hold back, and have NEVER done it to another hero. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall either of them erasing a hero completely.

He uh. . . Superman's a dick.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine can be incapacitated and has been before. An earlier photo showed him embarrasingly trapped after a frontal confrontation. Spidey didn't even use globs.

Originally posted by The MISTER
peace
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You dispute issue #1 of Marvel Team-up where Wolverine
is completely webbed-up and immoblile.
But you don't dispute:
Wolverine healing from Nuclear attacks.
Wolverine healing from all his organs "turning to liquid."
Wolverine getting hit by Namor without going flying.
Wolverine healing from getting thrown into the sun.
Double standard there......?

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, just like me, he only likes the TRUE Wolverine. But it takes someone who is familiar with the character to know who the true Wolverine is.

You are one of the very few people on this planet who don't see the inconsistent writing of Wolverine. He is literally one of the most inconsistent characters ever. The examples are countless.

I've already said that wolverine was inconsistant. 🙄 But simply having something being inconsistant doesn't count it out of being.

How do you know what is too strong and what is too weak? Find the spots that have been consistant. 🙂

Originally posted by Zahit
You dispute issue #1 of Marvel Team-up where Wolverine
is completely webbed-up and immoblile.
But you don't dispute:
Wolverine healing from Nuclear attacks.
Wolverine healing from all his organs "turning to liquid."
Wolverine getting hit by Namor without going flying.
Wolverine healing from getting thrown into the sun.
Double standard there......?

No, yes, no, He had phoenix's help.

Will you drop that now?

Good post bro

The problem Wolverine would have with a good deal of webbing is that it can be cut with his claws but he can't tear it with sheer strength. DD doesn't have anything that can cut the webbing and Cap has a shield, not a sword. How will he slice through a large amount of webbing while he's still fighting?

Also Spider-man doesn't touch Wolverine in recovery but he has an enhanced metabolism and an endurance that is Superhuman. He doesn't get winded from swinging for hours. He does it for fun and it requires a lot of muscle and effort.

I'll end by saying that having an aim that is superior to the very best human aim possible, isn't a small feat. Spider-man can hit targets without even TRYING. It's why he can web-sling so effortlessly. Why would he miss wolverine much more than hawkeye, or DD would? A web cartridge pitched at half strength would hit its mark at least one out of three times. That could suffocate an enemy though so that's not a regular tactic, but one he uses on his physical superiors sometimes. His equilibrium is advanced so much so, that he can do backflips and cartwheels on a tightwire with great ease without even concentrating.
In his old bio ( which I'm sure has changed since) it is stated that he is on a contortionists level of flexibility. That is insane considering his strength. He can jump and twist without hampering his aim, and he shoots web FLUID. None of the trio can tear it and he carries a lot of it.

I'll be back... 😎

Originally posted by The MISTER
Good post bro

The problem Wolverine would have with a good deal of webbing is that it can be cut with his claws but he can't tear it with sheer strength. DD doesn't have anything that can cut the webbing and Cap has a shield, not a sword. How will he slice through a large amount of webbing while he's still fighting?

DD's billyclub has a blade in it.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Also Spider-man doesn't touch Wolverine in recovery but he has an enhanced metabolism and an endurance that is Superhuman. He doesn't get winded from swinging for hours. He does it for fun and it requires a lot of muscle and effort.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I'll end by saying that having an aim that is superior to the very best human aim possible, isn't a small feat.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Spider-man can hit targets without even TRYING. It's why he can web-sling so effortlessly. Why would he miss wolverine much more than hawkeye, or DD would?

Originally posted by The MISTER
A web cartridge pitched at half strength would hit its mark at least one out of three times. That could suffocate an enemy though so that's not a regular tactic, but one he uses on his physical superiors sometimes.

Originally posted by The MISTER
His equilibrium is advanced so much so, that he can do backflips and cartwheels on a tightwire with great ease without even concentrating.
In his old bio ( which I'm sure has changed since) it is stated that he is on a contortionists level of flexibility. That is insane considering his strength. He can jump and twist without hampering his aim, and he shoots web FLUID. None of the trio can tear it and he carries a lot of it.

I'll be back... 😎

Well I'm going to move this to the Wolverine vs Spidey thread because they are in a league of their own and Cap and DD are straggling far behind in every way and can be killed before wolverine and Spidey. Wolverine is the only genuine threat and I think that Wolverine vs Spidey is what it would inevitably become.

This thread was probably started with the intention of putting aces in wolverine's pocket. I can't be sure about that but most of the arguments here revolve around wolverine's ability to take more than what Spidey is capable of dishing out. Cap and DD can't. They aren't built like Spidey and Wolvy and would be useless against a Spidey with no mercy. He could crush their skulls with the palm of his hand and break their necks even easier.

And Spidey's always been flexible. check it out.... I know it doesn't make much sense when you put it like that... but spiders can get into very small holes and cracks.

See you there. 😮‍💨

That is the cutest sloth ever, thanks for the help with the 3 stooges: cut and paste, the subordinate, and switch and deny.

gameplan....
"daredevil go in and keep him buisy don't try to exhange blows just keep out of his way...concentrate on your radar sense"

"gotcha"

cap stares at the fighting spiderman and dd. Spidey's speed is beginning to catch up to dd even though he is totally focused on his radar: after a minute passes by cap as already calculated spiderman's movements....he's factored in the spider sense...

"wolverine nail im"

wolverine launches an assault from behind spidey...his spider sense compensates and he avoids the shot...he turns in midair and begins to spray webbing...wolverine is slashing his way through the stuff with ease....spiderman begins to think he may have a chance of immobilizing logan if he can get the webbing around him....dd begins to persist from behind though...spiderman is left on the defensive trying to avoid the billy club cord and maneuvering his way out of it, while attempting to avoid logan....webbing sprays at dd's feet and dd goes airborn to avoid it....spiderman is about to uppercut dd into high heaven when his spider sense tingles again he twists out of the way of wolverine's claws.....PONK! ohhhhhhhhh looks like captain america factored that in when he chucked his shield....spidey's dazed....it's all wolverine needs to end it......one mistake...and the fight was over....

good job jinzin not bad at all, at least you stepped out of the norm, let me come back later though and look closerclappingclappingclapping

I want to improve my avatar.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
When you are ignorant, stubborn, or stupid, it really doesn't matter what I say, but I think you are in denial, and you are not going to prove me wrong, funny how you jumped all over what MISTER said and headed right to me, after you have talked all over yourself, and proved you know not the basics of applied pressure in a fight.

So I guess you're not paying attention to what you say. Explain how I proved I know not the basics of applied pressure in a fight.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink, I'm not about to listen to a person who doesn't listen at any ends, and puts no effort into a half good response., youve been here from day one, and I've gotten more kudos and replies than you, wonder why? Any attention is attention good or bad, you are just trying to spite me so someone will read these ridiculous posts of yours, well this is my last one, if you make nomore good points, then your point will be jumped over, just like you eagerly jump over others to get to mine........... wonder why?

Damnit! I said drink you stupid horse! Sorry guys this Mitchell horse just won't drink. Are we in some sort of kudos attention getting match I wasn't aware of? I eagerly jump to your post because they are so easy to counter.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Mercilous already gave some weak reasons for not responding to my posts Cordera.First they were too long then they were too biased. 🙄

LMAO 😆

But the Lobo picture is still cool as hell 😮‍💨

This one is short enough to respond to, too bad there's no point made in it...

This one's really pushing it but I'll do you the courtesy this once.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Cap, DD, and Wolverine have numbers on their side but the biggest advantages Spidey has are his ability to cover distance faster, tire slower( than Cap or DD ( it's a given) and use his webbing to incapacitate them all.

Shows you don't know the trio very well, Cap has a super metabolism.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Spider-man has mastered using his webbing and has also mastered changing its consistency on the fly. If he can web Cap's face Cap is done for and useless cause even if he does rip off his face removing the webbing, he'd be blinded by the blood in his eyes.

What makes you think he'll get by the shield?

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine can rip through some webbing but not through all forms of it. The thick gloopy version of it comes out in abundance like a fire hose and remains sloppy and sticky on the outside. Wolvy isn't going to be going anywhere if he catches a big glob of webbing in his face or chest and he would be engulfed by webbing if Spidey connects with a pitched web cartridge.

So a big glob of webbing is just as fast a a stream?

Originally posted by The MISTER
Whether they fight in a field or a city Spidey can't be surrounded by them because he can sprint faster and leap further to put distance between them. Wolverine can't match his leaping ability(that's a given) cause Spider-man's vertical is 5 stories.

What makes you think the trio will follow him around like three stooges?

Originally posted by The MISTER
So someone please tell me how Wolverine can defend himself against being engulfed in webbing completely. The same question can be asked for Cap and DD because Spidey has a lot of webbing, and can jump in and out of their attack range with ease.

Because he's proven he can do it before, because Cap is just as good a fighter and has the added bonus of carrying a shield, because DD has super senses.

Those points sound familiar, I wonder if I've said them 400 times yet?

Originally posted by who?-kid
Aah, good old jinzin, always so very careful to show us exactly the right scans to defend his point of view...

Yeah, three pages in succession gives a biased view.

So where's your proof? You seem to ask for alot but never give any of your own.

No you ask for a lot, and do no explanation only shoot them down, this is sad,no more explanations or brainwork on your behalf, you are shooting down things, but not coming up with any, not only discrediting yourself, but sounding like a kid............

Originally posted by The MISTER
I wouldn't lie to win. most people won't. it's really a hollow victory. There is an issue where Spiderman takes on the Vulture and before he had encountered him Spidey had just stopped a group of guys trying to kill some scrub.

Spider-man used a thick spray and just glued everything up as casual as taking a piss in the street.
We already know that spider-mans aim has matched every marksman's under insane conditions and using insane methods.

Why should I think that Wolverine, Cap, and DD have an advantage when Spiderman has every physical advantage. He is faster and stronger than even Wolverine and that is a given. He has been shown performing feats of superhuman speed that Wolverine can not.

Stopped reading right here, way too long. So he carries this spray on him regularly?

And Wolverine has been shown whipping the hell out of people faster than Spiderman. I don't understand why another equal fighter couldn't do the same, or someone with supersenses for that matter.

Originally posted by Zahit
You dispute issue #1 of Marvel Team-up where Wolverine
is completely webbed-up and immoblile.

Which you left out that he easily escapes as soon as he wants to.

fine if he could escape but its already common knowledge that he cant without his claws.

Its okay to use the books for backup but these are sounding like those wierd tabloid books at the store, ones with 23 pound grasshoppers and such, use your wisdom to discern the two please.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No you ask for a lot, and do no explanation only shoot them down, this is sad,no more explanations or brainwork on your behalf, you are shooting down things, but not coming up with any, not only discrediting yourself, but sounding like a kid............

I Ask for alot? Like what? Any proof at all that Spidey can beat these guys? Tell me chump, what explanation can I get for you?