Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Gee, I wonder which would be written in a comic book.Threw training ribs can becomes several times harder than found in an average human.
News flash, modern applicable martial arts teach the use of the shin far more often than the foot. The foot taking secondary use in specialized attacks.
It's more like an egg, in that if pressure is applied in a certain manner, It's structural integrety is far greater than would seem reasonable.
That is a completely unfair comparison. I'll ask Creshok now to break it down, because your logic is so flawed I have no words for it.
Calling things a different name doesn't change what they are, just what we call them. Wether Wolverine walloped, beat, or humiliated Spidey doesn't change what happened, just what you're calling it. I can't beleive how flawed your so called logic is.
Break down what? I was explaining some of the fighting stuf MISTER said, and you are inconclusive, and cant talk of flawed logic, you know seeing as you have none period.
Buddy you have not the creativity or fighting wisdom to come up with a post like the one I just did, stop trying to pick at what is waaaay over your head, you want cresh to tear it apart because you require not what is necessary to do so, in fact noone in this forum seems to know alot about fighting period. argue on my terms , and get wiped all over the concrete...................
Noone was saying anything about a particular attack, only clarifying the difference between pressure on an area like the ribs to the area like the skull, you just don't know what youre talking about.
Since you want to take the martial artist road, they too are human, and still wont be standing up to a guy that fling a car on thim, point nullifed/
Weve already been through upgrades,and how DD canknock wolvie acrosss a room but cyclops can't, you have no reason to attempt to argue logic with me at all, you guys have still yet to prove me wrong onn any anatomical part, because I actually KNOW WHAT Im' talking about. All this coming from a guy thinking bats hits harder than spidey is funn;y.
That was an unbiased post and a follow up on mister typing, only showing a different point of view, If you only rid of your biased and stop trying to pluck my posts apart, you would have understood it better, just showing how over your head you are period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Break down what? I was explaining some of the fighting stuf MISTER said, and you are inconclusive, and cant talk of flawed logic, you know seeing as you have none period.Buddy you have not the creativity or fighting wisdom to come up with a post like the one I just did, stop trying to pick at what is waaaay over your head, you want cresh to tear it apart because you require not what is necessary to do so, in fact noone in this forum seems to know alot about fighting period. argue on my terms , and get wiped all over the concrete...................
Noone was saying anything about a particular attack, only clarifying the difference between pressure on an area like the ribs to the area like the skull, you just don't know what youre talking about.
Since you want to take the martial artist road, they too are human, and still wont be standing up to a guy that fling a car on thim, point nullifed/
Weve already been through upgrades,and how DD canknock wolvie acrosss a room but cyclops can't, you have no reason to attempt to argue logic with me at all, you guys have still yet to prove me wrong onn any anatomical part, because I actually KNOW WHAT Im' talking about. All this coming from a guy thinking bats hits harder than spidey is funn;y.
That was an unbiased post and a follow up on mister typing, only showing a different point of view, If you only rid of your biased and stop trying to pluck my posts apart, you would have understood it better, just showing how over your head you are period.
You haven't made any points.
Your defense when called illogical is either "you don't understand" or simply "yes it is."
You're not going to get me with knowledge of fighting.
Try posting a pic that shows DD knocking Wolvie around.
I've yet to prove it but you'll have to eat your words when I do (even though I've already given reference that all have ignored.)
I would have to like at least one of these characters more than Spidey for my post to be biased.
I can't help but pick your post apart, It's just so easy.
When you are ignorant, stubborn, or stupid, it really doesn't matter what I say, but I think you are in denial, and you are not going to prove me wrong, funny how you jumped all over what MISTER said and headed right to me, after you have talked all over yourself, and proved you know not the basics of applied pressure in a fight.
You can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink, I'm not about to listen to a person who doesn't listen at any ends, and puts no effort into a half good response., youve been here from day one, and I've gotten more kudos and replies than you, wonder why? Any attention is attention good or bad, you are just trying to spite me so someone will read these ridiculous posts of yours, well this is my last one, if you make nomore good points, then your point will be jumped over, just like you eagerly jump over others to get to mine........... wonder why?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
When you are ignorant, stubborn, or stupid, it really doesn't matter what I say, but I think you are in denial, and you are not going to prove me wrong, funny how you jumped all over what MISTER said and headed right to me, after you have talked all over yourself, and proved you know not the basics of applied pressure in a fight.You can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink, I'm not about to listen to a person who doesn't listen at any ends, and puts no effort into a half good response., youve been here from day one, and I've gotten more kudos and replies than you, wonder why? Any attention is attention good or bad, you are just trying to spite me so someone will read these ridiculous posts of yours, well this is my last one, if you make nomore good points, then your point will be jumped over, just like you eagerly jump over others to get to mine........... wonder why?
Mercilous already gave some weak reasons for not responding to my posts Cordera.First they were too long then they were too biased. 🙄
LMAO 😆
But the Lobo picture is still cool as hell 😮💨
Cap, DD, and Wolverine have numbers on their side but the biggest advantages Spidey has are his ability to cover distance faster, tire slower( than Cap or DD ( it's a given) and use his webbing to incapacitate them all.
Spider-man has mastered using his webbing and has also mastered changing its consistency on the fly. If he can web Cap's face Cap is done for and useless cause even if he does rip off his face removing the webbing, he'd be blinded by the blood in his eyes.
Wolverine can rip through some webbing but not through all forms of it. The thick gloopy version of it comes out in abundance like a fire hose and remains sloppy and sticky on the outside. Wolvy isn't going to be going anywhere if he catches a big glob of webbing in his face or chest and he would be engulfed by webbing if Spidey connects with a pitched web cartridge.
Whether they fight in a field or a city Spidey can't be surrounded by them because he can sprint faster and leap further to put distance between them. Wolverine can't match his leaping ability(that's a given) cause Spider-man's vertical is 5 stories.
So someone please tell me how Wolverine can defend himself against being engulfed in webbing completely. The same question can be asked for Cap and DD because Spidey has a lot of webbing, and can jump in and out of their attack range with ease.
Originally posted by The MISTERThe numbers actually degrade the ability to incapacitate them with webbing as they can cut each other free.
Cap, DD, and Wolverine have numbers on their side but the biggest advantages Spidey has are his ability to cover distance faster, tire slower( than Cap or DD ( it's a given) and use his webbing to incapacitate them all.
Originally posted by The MISTEROr one of his ally's can cut him free.
Spider-man has mastered using his webbing and has also mastered changing its consistency on the fly. If he can web Cap's face Cap is done for and useless cause even if he does rip off his face removing the webbing, he'd be blinded by the blood in his eyes.
Originally posted by The MISTERUnless he's cut free. . .
Wolverine can rip through some webbing but not through all forms of it. The thick gloopy version of it comes out in abundance like a fire hose and remains sloppy and sticky on the outside. Wolvy isn't going to be going anywhere if he catches a big glob of webbing in his face or chest and he would be engulfed by webbing if Spidey connects with a pitched web cartridge.
Originally posted by The MISTERA forest would actully hinder spiderman, as DD can do that one thing he did to fuddle spiderman's spidersense. . .
Whether they fight in a field or a city Spidey can't be surrounded by them because he can sprint faster and leap further to put distance between them. Wolverine can't match his leaping ability(that's a given) cause Spider-man's vertical is 5 stories.
Originally posted by The MISTERAlready did.
So someone please tell me how Wolverine can defend himself against being engulfed in webbing completely. The same question can be asked for Cap and DD because Spidey has a lot of webbing, and can jump in and out of their attack range with ease.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The numbers actually degrade the ability to incapacitate them with webbing as they can cut each other free.Or one of his ally's can cut him free.
Unless he's cut free. . .
A forest would actully hinder spiderman, as DD can do that one thing he did to fuddle spiderman's spidersense. . .
Already did.
You're mistaken about the ability to cut the gloppy form of the webbing. It stays thick and gooey and can no more be "cut" than 10 pounds of dried bubble gum.
Cutting this form of the webbing would be very very difficult, and require a good deal of time. Also "cutting" this consistency of webbing would be impossible for Cap and DD period, and Wolverine could kill Cap or DD trying to cut them free. He would also have to divert his attention from Spidey and he'd be open to a web assault.
Originally posted by The MISTERAppearently 15 now.
Good post man and I think I see what you are trying say. When you introduce 100% realism not only do some events become impossible, many characters and their powers become impossibilities as well. Creshosk also pointed out reasons why this "realistic" approach is flawed.I think that's a very good argument against using the "real world" logic, but if NONE is used, then the only thing left to go on is another flawed form of logic that is just as packed with inconsistencies.
For example the "realistic" Spidey who somehow didn't die from his DNA mutation would break his own bones( which would have no powers ) by making a fist, or punching steel. The "comic" Spidey can punch through steel and his bones have been unrealistically enhanced.
Please let me clarify. I am basing all of my arguments on GIVENS. In order for something to be considered a given there really shouldn't be any reasonable doubt surrounding the GIVEN answer to whatever question has been asked.
How strong is Spider-man? he can bench 10 tons. This is a given fact.
Originally posted by The MISTERI remember readin a comic where Spiderman said that himself. It was during a movie they were making where rhino replaced the actor that was supposed to be playing him.
Is Spidey bulletproof? No. another given.
Originally posted by The MISTERTrue. Some soft metals can support alot of weight, but when the force is focused like a bullet it penetrates it. . .
How durable are Spider-mans muscles and bones? In order to support ten tons they would have to be at least as dense as a metal that would buckle at ten tons and 1 lb. This should be a given as well but this is where problems arise. If Spider-man's body is as dense as metal, then how come he ISN'T bulletproof? An acceptable given would be that despite having muscles and bones that are as dense as metal, Spidey can be peirced by bullets just like dense metal can.
Originally posted by The MISTERPeak human for Cap'n . . not sure how DD got classified as peak human. *shrugs*
There are some obvious givens for Cap and DD due to the fact that they are human level even by comic book definition.
Cap and DD are not capable of hitting Spider-man as hard as Doc ock, Sandman, Lizard, Carnage, Venom, Rhino, Hulk, Sub-mariner, Absorbing man, or even the Scorpion. Spider-man has been hit by all of these powerhouses and retained consciousness and effectiveness. Where Cap and DDs' most powerful blows wouldn't penetrate a barrier that is made to stop ALL humans, all of the characters reffered to above are capable of penatrating a barrier that the most powerful human couldn't. So how would Cap or DD injure Spidey when their most powerful blows are weak compared to a characters' like the Lizard's.[/b][/quote]That's one of the arguments we have going about Wolverine. He's taken harder hits than spiderman can give him. How would spiderman injure wolvie when his most powerful blows are weak compared to a character like collosus?
Originally posted by The MISTERwell that's part of where the three on one comes in as well. There's going to be someinterference that will make it harder to get a decent shot at Wolverine to put enough to hold him down.
Wolverine is the hardest character of the trio to determine what is or isn't given.Does he have superhuman strength? undetermined
Is he bulletproof? No. His bones are unbreakable though.
Can he render the webbing useless in every way. NO! escaping one webbing assault doesn't mean that the webbing can't work. It's held stronger enemies than Wolvie down.I'll have to continue tomorrow cause I'm getting sleepy.
Peace.😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTERDried buble gum cuts very easily actually. And if the webbing is too gloppy it won't have enough hold to hold some one. . . I'd think tat a gloppy form would be easier to pull away from.
You're mistaken about the ability to cut the gloppy form of the webbing. It stays thick and gooey and can no more be "cut" than 10 pounds of dried bubble gum.
Originally posted by The MISTERIt wouldn't take that much time to cut. Particularly for something that cuts through steel like it was wet tissue paper.
Cutting this form of the webbing would be very very difficult, and require a good deal of time. Also "cutting" this consistency of webbing would be impossible for Cap and DD period, and Wolverine could kill Cap or DD trying to cut them free. He would also have to divert his attention from Spidey and he'd be open to a web assault.
You neglecting Wolverines skill here with his claws. . . And why couldn't cap and DD cut it? They're good with their weapons as well. . . 😕
Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, you can always try to PROVE me wrong of course 😉.Good luck.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And when they do you commit the slothful induction fallacy and ignore the evidence.
Originally posted by ZahitLacking anything else to bring to the table, Zahit posts a random picture showing he has no idea what his oponents are even saying. 🙂