Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Draco69
Captain America has trained with two speedsters over the course of his lifetime. The Whizzer and Quicksilver. He's beaten them both despite their superior speed. If Captain America can parry the blows of a man capable of reaching the sound of speed, than he can certainly parry Spidey's blows.

You're confusing speed and reflexes. If Spider-Man is 15 times 'faster' than an average man, he would be classified as a speedster. He's not. He has 15 times the reaction time and reflexes than that of a average human being. This coupled with his Spider-Sense makes him remarkable difficult to hit. But not impossible. And to Captain America and the others certainly possible.

Daredevil HAS beaten Spider-Man several times. Ask Cosmic Kramer for the specifics. He's the expert on him.

Holy mother of God. Before I make a comment on your post. Listen to me very very carefully. Cosmo Kramer is the expert on nothing. He is one of the biggest fanboys on earth. He will just make up crap. Do you not know about this man? He is probably only rivaled by Wolverine888. How you seen the threads he has made? Has you seen his posts? Is he your only source that Daredevil has beaten Spiderman several times?

Yes he has!

To Matches-Malone,

No, I read several posts by other members in the Daredevil vs. Spider-Man thread. And I wouldn't go so far to call Cosmic Kramer a fanboy. I don't like squabble with anyone over a comic book.

Originally posted by Draco69
To Matches-Malone,

No, I read several posts by other members in the Daredevil vs. Spider-Man thread. And I wouldn't go so far to call Cosmic Kramer a fanboy. I don't like squabble with anyone over a comic book.

What question are you answering when you say no? I asked a few questions. If you wouldn't call Cosmo a fanboy, then you haven't seen enough of his posts. He is a menace.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1994397

Just wanted to repost this pic to give you an idea on how Spiderman handled heroes tougher than Daredevil and Cap. Hope the link works.

He makes occasional weird matches, but I don't see him as a fanboy. Even if Spiderman might have overall advantages against Daredevil, this doesn't negate that Daredevil and the others combined will take a win against Spiderman.

To Matches-Malone:

I saw the pic. It certainly was impressive. (Although I don't know why Nightcrawler couldn't just teleport out of his cage, or why Rogue couldn't break the webbing but oh well.) The X-Men back then were severely undertrained. They were arrogant enough to assume that Spider-Man could be stopped easily. Not to mention the environment was in Spider Man's favor. The X-Men today comprised of the same members would hand Spidey his lunch. The Wolverine back then was just a Canadian Knuckle-head with claws. Until Frank Miller came along, and completely revised him into the badass he is today.

Ps. I was responding to your post just above mine

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
What question are you answering when you say no? I asked a few questions. If you wouldn't call Cosmo a fanboy, then you haven't seen enough of his posts. He is a menace.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1994397

Just wanted to repost this pic to give you an idea on how Spiderman handled heroes tougher than Daredevil and Cap. Hope the link works.

Two can play at this game check out this comic where DD defeats Electro, Gladiator, Matador, Stilt-man, and Leap-frog combined

Originally posted by Draco69
To Matches-Malone:

I saw the pic. It certainly was impressive. (Although I don't know why Nightcrawler couldn't just teleport out of his cage, or why Rogue couldn't break the webbing but oh well.) The X-Men back then were severely undertrained. They were arrogant enough to assume that Spider-Man could be stopped easily. Not to mention the environment was in Spider Man's favor. The X-Men today comprised of the same members would hand Spidey his lunch. The Wolverine back then was just a Canadian Knuckle-head with claws. Until Frank Miller came along, and completely revised him into the badass he is today.

Ps. I was responding to your post just above mine

I know which post is was. But, there was a couple questions in that post. Did you say no, you haven't seen his posts and threads? Or did you say no, he is not your only source on thinking Daredevil has beaten Spiderman several times? By the way, you can see his recent threads on these first two pages, but I will tell you some old news. He has also started a thread Daredevil vs. Fantastic 4. Where he argued against the F 4. He has said that he would hope that Daredevil and Cap can beat Flash and Wonderwoman. He has stated numerous other ludicrous ideas as well as just making stuff up.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
Two can play at this game check out this comic where DD defeats Electro, Gladiator, Matador, Stilt-man, and Leap-frog combined

I am sorry, you have to do more than just the cover to know what happened. Anyway, those are villains.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
I know which post is was. But, there was a couple questions in that post. Did you say no, you haven't seen his posts and threads? Or did you say no, he is not your only source on thinking Daredevil has beaten Spiderman several times? By the way, you can see his recent threads on these first two pages, but I will tell you some old news. He has also started a thread Daredevil vs. Fantastic 4. Where he argued against the F 4. He has said that he would hope that Daredevil and Cap can beat Flash and Wonderwoman. He has stated numerous other ludicrous ideas as well as just making stuff up.

I never said they could I said "I hope they would"

To Matches Malone:

I've seen Cosmic Kramers threads. I highly doubt that Daredevil could beat the FF4 or that he could beat Flash and Wonder Woman with Captain America as his partners. But I won't comment on the validity of these threads.

Cosmic Kramer vs. Matches Malone WHO WILL WIN?

So I probably was right then in assuming Spidey would get beat in less than 60 seconds?

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
I never said they could I said "I hope they would"

Great. You can't read now either? You can plainly see on my quote that I typed "would".

Draco, besides Cosmo, I haven't seen anybody that has claimed to see Daredevil beat Spiderman several times, even in the Spiderman/Daredevil thread. There was talk about the fight that Spiderman was hypnotized, but that's it. Can you give me issue #s or pics? Also, can you give evidence towards Captain fist fighting with Quicksilver?

To MatchesMalone,

I don't know which issues Daredevil defeated Spider-Man are, so you're out of luck. Captain America has sparred with Quicksilver in their Avengers' Danger Room. Captain America deflected his blows with his shield and knocks him out with a sideswipe. Captain America worked with the Whizzer during World War II as they both part of the original Invaders. Captain America sparred with him, and has beaten him as well. Don't know the specific issues and I don't have pics. Hey, I'm not THAT devoted.

Originally posted by Draco69
To MatchesMalone,

I don't know which issues Daredevil defeated Spider-Man are, so you're out of luck. Captain America has sparred with Quicksilver in their Avengers' Danger Room. Captain America deflected his blows with his shield and knocks him out with a sideswipe. Captain America worked with the Whizzer during World War II as they both part of the original Invaders. Captain America sparred with him, and has beaten him as well. Don't know the specific issues and I don't have pics. Hey, I'm not THAT devoted.

I am not positive, but I am pretty confident Daredevil has never beaten Spiderman with the hypnotized exception. Captain America should never be able match speeds with Quicksilver, period. But, I will take your word for it, for now, considering Spiderman has knocked out Firelord and Venom(somebody Spidy has beat) has beat down Superman. All three of those are absurd and I don't view those as credible evidence. We have both put down our points and it seems the exact point where are views separate is the issue of Spidy's speed. You recently just stated you don't think Spidy is at least 15 times faster than human, only his reflexes are. That is where we have different information. Is that a fair assessment on where we stand?

The Spiderman/Superman crossover (as is any crossover) is complete and utter crap. Venom would not stand a chance against Superman. Symbiotes hate fire. Superman has heat vision. Symbiotes hate loud noises. Superman can create sonic booms. All crossovers are bull. Lobo lost to Wolverine. Storm beat Wonder Woman. It's all bull.

According to the Official Marvel Handbook on Spider-Man, Spider-Man has enchanced reflexes not superspeed. If Spider-Man was 15 times faster than an average human being, than he could run, move and act at nearly 250 mph. Spider-Man possesses 15 times the average human being's reaction time. There's clearly a difference. This speedy reaction time enables him to evade attacks and dodge bullets. However this Spidey's reflexes can only carry him so far. Spider-Man can react and dodge one attack only to run into another that's been cleverly applied.

Originally posted by Draco69
The Spiderman/Superman crossover (as is any crossover) is complete and utter crap. Venom would not stand a chance against Superman. Symbiotes hate fire. Superman has heat vision. Symbiotes hate loud noises. Superman can create sonic booms. All crossovers are bull. Lobo lost to Wolverine. Storm beat Wonder Woman. It's all bull.

According to the Official Marvel Handbook on Spider-Man, Spider-Man has enchanced reflexes not superspeed. If Spider-Man was 15 times faster than an average human being, than he could run, move and act at nearly 250 mph. Spider-Man possesses 15 times the average human being's reaction time. There's clearly a difference. This speedy reaction time enables him to evade attacks and dodge bullets. However this Spidey's reflexes can only carry him so far. Spider-Man can react and dodge one attack only to run into another that's been cleverly applied.

I don't know why you bothered stating that Venom beating Superman was crap since I am the one who first brought that up, but, oh well. Spiderman can dodge attacks all day if they are slow enough. Anyway, like I said we have different thoughts on Spiderman's speed. I was also being generous the times I went with his reflexes being at least 15 times faster. On page 5 of this thread, Spiderninja posts a pic of Spiderman speed blitzing Hulk. He states that his speed and reflexes are 40 times faster than human. I didn't want to bring that up, considering its hard to even fathom a non powered human trying to hit a man that has 40 times the reflexes and has a friggen sense that warns him of danger. But, we can still stick with 15, that's difficult enough to hit.

Spidey was tricked into a fight with DD one time and lost so bad he didnt land a single blow! DD has all advanced senses and doesnt have to wait until hes beeing attacked to use them. Spidey has admitted this as a problem before and they are pretty good friends now.