Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Metalmanx
See, and this is your problem, Droopy. You're basing this fight of not just stats...but website stats. I know you got it from marvel.com, but do a favor and look at everyone's stats on there. They are horribly inaccurate. And no, I'm just saying that cuz you're against me, but they really are. Go check some characters on there. If you have any comic knowledge at all, then you know that those stats are really horrible.

Using stats is fine, just...ya know, logical stats.

Well I kinda like to use those stats because alot of people just like to argue about powers but then why argue because if someone is a lil outmatched then he loses I mean what is the use of debating unless the characters completely cancel eachother out then. so I like to use those stats to kinda just show that they aren't everything

Originally posted by Droopy
A and B cap is a great leader wolverine a fearless warrior and daredevil is just a great super hero with unique powers and b because they are big names and well big names win alot

Ah, well, I really appreciate that you took the time to answer my question.

OK, you said A and B? Please, allow me to make a few points corresponding to the letters.

A) I agree with you. These three are more famous than most heroes. However, That is irrelevant. PIS(plot induced stupidity) is off, so fame doesn't amount to anything here.

B) This is just false. These three are not a huge threat in a fight compared to most super heroes. On the contrary, heroes like Cap and Daredevil are almost on the very bottom of the food chain of super heroes. There is a HUGE amount of heroes in DC and Marvel that can take this trio out by themselves.

So, your reasons for saying there are too many "big names" are.....

A) irrelevant.
B) False.

I realise I may have sounded condescending and like a jerk. Please, do not take it that way. I just do not know how to convey points very well.

Once again, thanks for your time.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Ah, well, I really appreciate that you took the time to answer my question.

OK, you said A and B? Please, allow me to make a few points corresponding to the letters.

A) I agree with you. These three are more famous than most heroes. However, That is irrelevant. PIS(plot induced stupidity) is off, so fame doesn't amount to anything here.

B) This is just false. These three are not a huge threat in a fight compared to most super heroes. On the contrary, heroes like Cap and Daredevil are almost on the very bottom of the food chain of super heroes. There is a HUGE amount of heroes in DC and Marvel that can take this trio out by themselves.

So, your reasons for saying there are too many "big names" are.....

A) irrelevant.
B) False.

I realise I may have sounded condescending and like a jerk. Please, do not take it that way. I just do not know how to convey points very well.

Once again, thanks for your time.

These guy's are known for taking on bigger and stronger characters that is why I picked b and wolverine has been known to do some damage Daredevil took down the king pin didnt he sure alot of characters are stronger than them but that doesnt mean they automatically lose in real life like say a boxing match the guy with longer reach who is stronger and faster doesnt win always

Originally posted by Droopy
Well I kinda like to use those stats because alot of people just like to argue about powers but then why argue because if someone is a lil outmatched then he loses I mean what is the use of debating unless the characters completely cancel eachother out then. so I like to use those stats to kinda just show that they aren't everything

Droopy, those stats at Marvel.com are horribly flawed. Last time I checked, Shang Chi's fighting skill was posted at 5 and Punisher's was posted at 6. That is one among many mistakes. Before you tell me that's its straight from Marvel, look yourself in the mirror and say Punisher has a higher fighting rating than Shang Chi. I hope you get my drift. Besides the fact that Marvel.com is flawed, consider a couple of points....

1. Rating character abilities from 1-7 is stupid in the first place. You have a wide variety of guys that can't lift a ton and guys that can lift over 100,000 tons. 1-7 just doesn't do it.

2. There are too many miscellaneous abilities unaccounted for. Just listing strength, speed, fighting ability, and a few others just doesn't do it either.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Droopy, those stats at Marvel.com are horribly flawed. Last time I checked, Shang Chi's fighting skill was posted at 5 and Punisher's was posted at 6. That is one among many mistakes. Before you tell me that's its straight from Marvel, look yourself in the mirror and say Punisher has a higher fighting rating than Shang Chi. I hope you get my drift. Besides the fact that Marvel.com is flawed, consider a couple of points....

1. Rating character abilities from 1-7 is stupid in the first place. You have a wide variety of guys that can't lift a ton and guys that can lift over 100,000 tons. 1-7 just doesn't do it.

2. There are too many miscellaneous abilities unaccounted for. Just listing strength, speed, fighting ability, and a few others just doesn't do it either.

yo chill I was using that as example saying just going by stats is garbage I mean they aint always right

Originally posted by Droopy
These guy's are known for taking on bigger and stronger characters that is why I picked b and wolverine has been known to do some damage Daredevil took down the king pin didnt he sure alot of characters are stronger than them but that doesnt mean they automatically lose in real life like say a boxing match the guy with longer reach who is stronger and faster doesnt win always

I am not questioning their fighting skills or techniques.

But, would you concede that, in the grand list of super heroes, Cap and DD are near the very bottom of the food chain?

Originally posted by Droopy
yo chill I was using that as example saying just going by stats is garbage I mean they aint always right

If they are not always right, why even bother with them?

You are going to have to fall back on your own knowledge just to double check which stats are right.

Fact is that Spiderman is faster, stronger, more agile, than Wolverine, Captain America, and Daredevil.

Fact is that IF Spiderman were to hit either one of those characters with hit full strength(except Wolverine) or even half his full strength, he would knock them out. Possibly even kill them.

Fact is Spidermans fighting ablility isnt as good as either of his opponents. Daredevil's radar sense is >> than Spider-sense. Also its a fact that DD knocked Spiderman out before.

Fact is IF Wolverine is able to connect a full stab in the proper place on Spidermans body, Spiderman is finished. But thats IF, and it would be highly likely because Spiderman would have alot of trouble with Daredevil alone. Let alone the addition of Cap AND Wolverine.

Going against these 3, Spiderman just cant win. Thats a fact.

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Droopy, those stats at Marvel.com are horribly flawed. Last time I checked, Shang Chi's fighting skill was posted at 5 and Punisher's was posted at 6. That is one among many mistakes. Before you tell me that's its straight from Marvel, look yourself in the mirror and say Punisher has a higher fighting rating than Shang Chi. I hope you get my drift. Besides the fact that Marvel.com is flawed, consider a couple of points....

1. Rating character abilities from 1-7 is stupid in the first place. You have a wide variety of guys that can't lift a ton and guys that can lift over 100,000 tons. 1-7 just doesn't do it.

2. There are too many miscellaneous abilities unaccounted for. Just listing strength, speed, fighting ability, and a few others just doesn't do it either.

So now Shang-Chi only knows 1 style because some wicked worthless stats say so?

You wanna go by stats, fine, just forget about argueing web-shooters because they are the equivalent of a super soaker according to stats as far as there firing speed and range. They are weaker then high grade metals in terms of tensile strength, and Wolvie is always shown cutting straight threw high grade metals.

Oh and has anyone noticed the cool new edit feature? Pretty cool, thanks KMC.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
So now Shang-Chi only knows 1 style because some wicked worthless stats say so?

You wanna go by stats, fine, just forget about argueing web-shooters because they are the equivalent of a super soaker according to stats as far as there firing speed and range. They are weaker then high grade metals in terms of tensile strength, and Wolvie is always shown cutting straight threw high grade metals.

Oh and has anyone noticed the cool new edit feature? Pretty cool, thanks KMC.

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahaha all shang chi really does is kung-fu......duh, it doesnt mean that he isnt the man he is, but he is a master of kung fu.

Dude you missed the point, some jackass who was as poorly misinformed as you decided that Shang Chi only knows one style so he gave him that stat.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Dude you missed the point, some jackass who was as poorly misinformed as you decided that Shang Chi only knows one style so he gave him that stat.

Originally posted by King KAM
the only jack ass around here is you you son of a bich,
Shang-Chi is the greatest living practitioner of Kung Fu and an expert in various related disciplines. Also, he is proficient in the art of meditation, which he uses to focus his chi -- the mysterious energy martial-arts masters channel to strengthen their skills.
and thats from MARVEL.

Dude, I didn't call you jackass, I called you missinformed, but, whatever. So, what are those "various related disciplines"? All of sudden it doesn't sound like one style does it. You just owned yourself.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Dude, I didn't call you jackass, I called you missinformed, but, whatever. So, what are those "various related disciplines"? All of sudden it doesn't sound like one style does it. You just owned yourself.

I still don't see that helping your arguement. Preference is not a good gauge for fighting ability. So at the very least, can we admit the stats suck. I mean for craps sakes, marvel gives there premier martial artist, a guy who's actually gone into the realm of super-powers on training alone a freaking lower fighting rating than punisher?

(and i still say Chi knows more styles, there's probably 1000's of variations of kung fu.)

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I still don't see that helping your arguement. Preference is not a good gauge for fighting ability. So at the very least, can we admit the stats suck. I mean for craps sakes, marvel gives there premier martial artist, a guy who's actually gone into the realm of super-powers on training alone a freaking lower fighting rating than punisher?

(and i still say Chi knows more styles, there's probably 1000's of variations of kung fu.)

Originally posted by jrodslam
Fact is that Spiderman is faster, stronger, more agile, than Wolverine, Captain America, and Daredevil.

Fact is that IF Spiderman were to hit either one of those characters with hit full strength(except Wolverine) or even half his full strength, he would knock them out. Possibly even kill them.

Fact is Spidermans fighting ablility isnt as good as either of his opponents. Daredevil's radar sense is >> than Spider-sense. Also its a fact that DD knocked Spiderman out before.

Fact is IF Wolverine is able to connect a full stab in the proper place on Spidermans body, Spiderman is finished. But thats IF, and it would be highly likely because Spiderman would have alot of trouble with Daredevil alone. Let alone the addition of Cap AND Wolverine.

Going against these 3, Spiderman just cant win. Thats a fact.

How do you come to the conclusion that DD's radar sense>>Spiderman's spider sense? Seriously, I am completely baffled as to how you came to this conclusion. Precog>>DD's radar sense. That's a fact.

Unless Daredevil has started saying "Daredevil sense tingling!", your argument is a bit flawed as of right here.

And if I remember correctly, wasn't Spiderman under some sort of brainwash when DD knocked him out? Cuz there's really no way this human-strength attacks (no matter how proficcient in fighting he is) should be able to hurt Spidey at all. Ya know, with that superhuman durability and all.

Fact is, Wolverine will never hit Spiderman if Spiderman doesn't want him to touch him. To be honest, for the six months I've been debating over this match, I've considered Wolverine to be the most futile, because 1) he has no projectiles (Cap's shield, DD's billyclub), 2) I just consider the other two to be better. Wolverine just seems to be more of a liability in this match. I could totally see Spiderman just swinging Wolvie into both Cap and DD like a club.

A nice 300 lbs adamantium club.

Lol when you think about it wolverines greates threat is his claws, and has any1 thought that spider-man could cover wolverines hands (while his claws are out) in webbing there by making them usless, cause all wolverine will be doping is hitting spider-man with like a pillow cause he can't cut through the webbing when his claws are surrounded in webbing cause if he moves his hands the webbing will move aswell.

As for DD knocking out spider-man, the only reason he did that was because spider-man was nuts when he found the sin eater and after DD called him a crook he got realy mad and didnt listen to his spider-sense correctly, and instead of using his speed to catch DD then pummle him, was just using brute force, and DD managed to knock spider-man out for a few mins if that, after about 5 minuits of punching the wall crawler, so if spider-man is angry then yes he will be owned, if he is calm and thrinking straight then he can just avoid all the attacks and incapacitate each fighter.

And yes the stats are crap, I mean 1-7 is just stupid like strength levels spider-man and wolverine are in class 4 and spider-man can lift 10 tons and wolvy can lift 800lbs its just stupid it should be 1-10 and have wolverine in something like class 2 and spidey in 4 or 5. Otherwise people think they are as strong as each other.

The best chance this team has is listening to cap, after all when cap is in charge of a team he rarley looses.

He won't have as much to utilize in such a random fight, a few flaws.

Spiderman has recieved an upgrade, 15 tons, extra reflexes, precog, and wallcrawling.

There is NO CIS in this matchup.

Like I said there is no real solid reason for the trio winning, there is just the "hes xxxxx" argument.

Make these guys nobodies, and present them logically, and overall it would be easier to understand.