Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He won't have as much to utilize in such a random fight, a few flaws.

Spiderman has recieved an upgrade, 15 tons, extra reflexes, precog, and wallcrawling.

There is NO CIS in this matchup.

Like I said there is no real solid reason for the trio winning, there is just the "hes xxxxx" argument.

Make these guys nobodies, and present them logically, and overall it would be easier to understand.

Are we using the new spidey or the old spidey (and how was his spider-sense improved, those stories aint come out here yet)

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Everyone uses their usual weapons and abilities. Spiderman will use any means necessary to take out this team, the trio will do the same towards Spiderman. Who wins?

If it's 3 against 1 than Spiderman goes down..hard. Captains pure skill is enough to give spiderman a run for his money the rest of these guys are just too much. A more even match would be 2 of these guys against spiderman. You put Captain in here with daredevil than it would be interesting. Probably the same goes for Captain and Wolverine, although I see Spiderman winning this. Wolverine and Daredevil though would be thrashed, although spiderman would have a few bruises and maybe a nic or two.

We all know the new stats have a much broader definitions to them.
For example..a class 4 ranking in strength can range anywhere from 1,000 to 20, 000 lbs. The same broad rankings are applied to other statistical categories as well. As many have stated before, these new stats were created for the purpose of allowing writers to be more flexible with the characters in their respective titles. After all, no one wants to read a comic where characters are strictly defined by rigid standards.

With that being stated, for the purpose of debating within logical parameters..let me give an in depth descriptions of all of the combatants abilities, as they are listed in most of the handbooks throughout the years.

Captain America

Strength Level: Captain America represents the pinnacle of human physical perfection. While not superhuman, he is as strong as a human being can be. He can lift (press) a maximum of 800 pounds with supreme effort.

Known Superhuman Powers:

Captain America has agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he has metabolized has enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

Captain America has mastered the martial art of American-style boxing and judo, and has combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He engages in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peek condition. Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

Limitations: Captain America is subject to all human vulnerabilities, although his immunity to diseases is extraordinary.

Daredevil

Known powers:

Daredevil possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.

Daredevil's five senses are heightened to beyond that of even superhumanly enhanced sense. Although Murdock is blind, he can "see" by means of his "radar sense", which acts not unlike sonar.

Daredevil is an Olympic level athlete and gymnast, possessing extraordinary agility, endurance, skill and balance.

Daredevil's unique fighting style (a blend of ninjitsu, judo and American-style boxing) makes effective use of his Billy Club, which is used as both a baton and grappling hook.

Wolverine

Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.

Known Superhuman Powers: Wolverine is a mutant with a number of enhancements to his physiology. Wolverine possesses heightened senses, making him capable of seeing things at a maximum distance greater than that of a normal human. His hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, and he is able to recognize people and objects by scent, even if that person or object is hidden. Logan can use these enhanced senses to track anyone, with an impressive degree of success.

He possesses retractable bone claws that are housed in his forearms, they are part of his skeleton system. At will Wolverine can release these claws through his skin between the knuckles on each hand. The skin between the knuckles tears and bleeds, but bleeding is quickly halted by his healing factor. The claws are naturally sharp and tougher than that of normal human bone structure. This allows Wolverine to be able to cut through most types of flesh and natural materials. (Note: While Wolverine possessed his adamantium skeleton, his claws were able to cut through almost any material without any fear of damage to the claws.)

Lastly, Wolverine possesses an accelerated healing factor based on his physiology. While most normal humans heal injuries over a long period of time, Wolverine's healing factor speeds up that natural process.
Wolverine's natural healing has been advanced to the point where he can heal extensive injuries (such as broken limbs) in a matter of hours to days. This factor gives him a higher resistance to poisons and toxins, and he can recover from almost any injury. The more extensive the injury, the longer the healing time will be.

Wolverine is not immortal, however. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form (such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid), Logan can die.

Wolverine, again due to his healing factor, has an enhanced resistance to disease, as well as an extended life span. Despite Wolverine's chronological age, he is still as healthy and physically fit as a man in his prime.

Spider Man

Known Superhuman Powers: Spider-Man possesses superhuman strength, reflexes, and equilibrium; the ability to cause parts of his body to stick with great tenacity to most surfaces; and a subconscious premonitional "danger" sense.

Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, inter-connected tissues, and nervous system have all been enhanced. Spider-Man's musculature has been augmented so that he can lift (press) about 10 tons.

His reflexes are faster than an average human by about a factor of 15 (he is often able to dodge bullets, if he is far enough away). Spider-Man is extraordinarily limber and his tendons and connective tissues are twice as elastic as the average human being's, despite their enhanced strength. He has developed a unique fighting style that makes full use of his agility, strength, and equilibrium.

Spider-Man uses web-shooters which are twin devices worn on his wrists which can shoot thin strands of a special “web fluid” at high pressure. The web fluid is a shear-thinning liquid (virtually solid until a shearing force is applied to it, rendering it fluid) whose exact formula is as yet unknown, but is related to nylon. On contact with air, the long-chain polymer knits and forms an extremely tough, flexible fiber with extraordinary adhesive properties.

The web line’s tensile strength is estimated to be 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section. The 300 pounds per square inch of pressure in each cartridge is sufficient to force a stream of the complex web pattern an estimated 60 feet (significantly farther if shot in a ballistic parabolic arc).

So based on these in depth stats..who would you say has the greater advantage in this battle..when fighting to the best of their known abilities?

spidey is my man 4 real, he's the truth

but against 3?

he'll get murked...

Originally posted by whobdamandog
We all know the new stats have a much broader definitions to them.
For example..a class 4 ranking in strength can range anywhere from 1,000 to 20, 000 lbs. The same broad rankings are applied to other statistical categories as well. As many have stated before, these new stats were created for the purpose of allowing writers to be more flexible with the characters in their respective titles. After all, no one wants to read a comic where characters are strictly defined by rigid standards.

With that being stated, for the purpose of debating within logical parameters..let me give an in depth descriptions of all of the combatants abilities, as they are listed in most of the handbooks throughout the years.

So based on these in depth stats..who would you say has the greater advantage in this battle..when fighting to the best of their known abilities?

Let me just break things down a bit..essentially what we have in this battle is...

3 olympic level atheletes trained in the martial arts

vs

A Superhuman who is roughtly 25 times stronger...

15 times faster...

Can sense when they are about to attack....

Has webbing with the tensile strength of steel, which can be fired at them in an arc like fashion from distances well above 60 ft..

Superhuman durability..

Superhuman agility...

need I go on...

Originally posted by King KAM
stats are one thing, Captain ,Wolverine,and DareDevil are only stat bound in strength, but besides that......Ive seen Cap throw Thor.....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Fact is that Spiderman is faster, stronger, more agile, than Wolverine, Captain America, and Daredevil.

Fact is that IF Spiderman were to hit either one of those characters with hit full strength(except Wolverine) or even half his full strength, he would knock them out. Possibly even kill them.

Fact is Spidermans fighting ablility isnt as good as either of his opponents. Daredevil's radar sense is >> than Spider-sense. Also its a fact that DD knocked Spiderman out before.

Fact is IF Wolverine is able to connect a full stab in the proper place on Spidermans body, Spiderman is finished. But thats IF, and it would be highly likely because Spiderman would have alot of trouble with Daredevil alone. Let alone the addition of Cap AND Wolverine.

Going against these 3, Spiderman just cant win. Thats a fact.

Thats what I have been trying to say 😄

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t367804.html

I've looked at the hard tangible facts, and they aren't supporting the trio thats for sure.

Please keep in mind that spiderman isn't bound by his character, and can nullify them from a distance.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Are we using the new spidey or the old spidey (and how was his spider-sense improved, those stories aint come out here yet)

Sorry I didn't see this earlier, he gave birth to himself in the dissasembled story arc.

He gained 5 ton lifting strength bonus, 5x extra reflexes (for a total of 20x), enhanced precog and wallcrawling, and organic webbing.

So we have:

30000 lifting strength.
15x speed
15x agility
20x reflexes
Precognition thats better
Wallcrawling (stay away indefinitely)
Infinite webbing tensile strength of 120,000 per square meter. (none of the trio can outmuscle it)
Can webswing away
etc.
He isn't bound by character.

So using this, would you say spiderman logically wins, if we ignore popularity and sales?

Originally posted by meep-meep
If it's 3 against 1 than Spiderman goes down..hard.

Bear with me.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Captains pure skill is enough to give spiderman a run for his money the rest of these guys are just too much.

Spiderman owns cap 9/10, he can kill him in a hit, and lets also remember he has the distance and isn't bound by morals here.

Originally posted by meep-meep
A more even match would be 2 of these guys against spiderman.

It would be significantly easier yes.

So if he kills cap or dd in one hit, wouldn't that dramatically change the odds further?

Originally posted by meep-meep
You put Captain in here with daredevil than it would be interesting. Probably the same goes for Captain and Wolverine, although I see Spiderman winning this.

I doubt it, since cap would have a harder time utilizing his skills, spiderman can bounce around him, and leave untouched.

Wolverine and cap are the fastest two, dd is the most agile, but none are close to spiderman in those categories.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Wolverine and Daredevil though would be thrashed, although spiderman would have a few bruises and maybe a nic or two.

So using that knowledge you had been given above, can you conclude if spiderman kills DD in a hit or webs one or the other up, then the odds change?

If so how often can you see this happening?

Wow 183 pages, I remember when this thread had just started O_O

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How do you come to the conclusion that DD's radar sense>>Spiderman's spider sense? Seriously, I am completely baffled as to how you came to this conclusion. Precog>>DD's radar sense. That's a fact.

Between DD, Spidey, DD has the best senses. How do i come to that conclusion you ask? DD and Spidey are sitting, and someones about to fire on them. They both know it. Difference is that DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Spidey doesnt. Now which would you say is better? These been a few occasions where DD had the heads up over Spidey. Like DD once said "Spider-Sense will tell the arachnid somethings wrong, but not what." "Hypersenses make it all too clear to me..."

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Unless Daredevil has started saying "Daredevil sense tingling!", your argument is a bit flawed as of right here.

See statement above.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And if I remember correctly, wasn't Spiderman under some sort of brainwash when DD knocked him out? Cuz there's really no way this human-strength attacks (no matter how proficcient in fighting he is) should be able to hurt Spidey at all. Ya know, with that superhuman durability and all.

Some sort of. It caused Spiderman to become very enraged. The brain washing had nothing to do with Spiderman being knocked out. Even if he wasnt enraged and DD hit him like that, hed still be able to ko Spidey. No way human atacks should be able to hurt Spidey, you say? Spidey doesn NOT have superhuman durability. Its just enhanced human slightly. Pressure points and hard enough pounding can put him down. And it was shown.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Fact is, Wolverine will never hit Spiderman if Spiderman doesn't want him to touch him. To be honest, for the six months I've been debating over this match, I've considered Wolverine to be the most futile, because 1) he has no projectiles (Cap's shield, DD's billyclub), 2) I just consider the other two to be better. Wolverine just seems to be more of a liability in this match. I could totally see Spiderman just swinging Wolvie into both Cap and DD like a club.

A nice 300 lbs adamantium club.

True Wolverine should never hit Spiderman alone. However, Wolvie isnt alone and if Spideys distracted, he very well can. Spiderman is going to swing Wolvie into DD and Cap? And they wouldnt be able to dodge it? Lol. What are they doing? Taking a nap? Spidey loses. Fact.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Between DD, Spidey, DD has the best senses.

http://www.geocities.com/spydr7/

Right and wrong.

In terms of touch, smell, hearing, and tasting, yes.

In terms of radar sense being better than precognition, no.

An interesting point you brought up though, DD's hypersenses make him hypersensitive.

A blow to the ears puts him out, easy.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How do i come to that conclusion you ask? DD and Spidey are sitting, and someones about to fire on them

pre·cog·ni·tion (prkg-nshn)
n.

Knowledge of something in advance of its occurrence, especially by extrasensory perception.

DD has supersenses, spiderman has a sixth sense, if a person is looking at spiderman wrong it will activate, if a person points a knife at him, it will activate.

DD's senses are nowhere close to being superior to spiderman's, especially now that its been upgraded.

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Originally posted by jrodslam
They both know it. Difference is that DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Spidey doesnt.

DD just knows the direction, he doesn't know whats about to happen next like spiderman, not by a longshot.

Spiderman can detect what is the threat, the intensity of it, the direction of it, whether its aunt may coming behind him with a broom, or a gun being fired.

He gets the warning, and he dodges, its enough to save his life.

DD isn't truely fast enough to dodge bullets, he admits it himself, and he's not on spiderman's level.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Now which would you say is better? These been a few occasions where DD had the heads up over Spidey.

If we are going by plot devices they don't count, spiderman would never be written to maximum potential, never.

Any little thing, the precog would go off, as is, the Precog is toned down, severly.

DD admitted spiderman could beat him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Like DD once said "Spider-Sense will tell the arachnid somethings wrong, but not what." "Hypersenses make it all too clear to me..."

But not before it happened, thats the difference, the big flaw.
DD senses will be of little to no use in a no-holds-barred fight, when the opponent is right in front of him.

Spidersense helps peter stay ahead, DD's sense wouldn't have as much use if the opponents were constantly attacking him at the rate that spiderman does, at all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Some sort of. It caused Spiderman to become very enraged. The brain washing had nothing to do with Spiderman being knocked out.

That fight?

That was the one where spiderman wasn't fighting as himself, and DD still had trouble with him, and had to resort to an alternate tactic?

Because in that matchup, DD admitted that he stood no chance against parker.

The conditions of that bare little correlation with this matchup though.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Even if he wasnt enraged and DD hit him like that, hed still be able to ko Spidey.

DD wouldn't be able to ko spiderman in one hit, highly unlikely.

Spiderman would dodge a portion of it, making the damage less anyways.

DD would have to put ALOT more effort to hurt spiderman, than likewise.

DD is the weak link in this matchup.

DD would take a big risk fighting peter upclose in this matchup anyways.

Originally posted by jrodslam
No way human atacks should be able to hurt Spidey, you say? Spidey doesn NOT have superhuman durability.

Its not on wolverine's level, but its beyond what a human can obtain, so in a sesne its superhuman, and that combined with his hypermetabolism.

Now, a human punched spiderman's bare hand, and broke his hand, broke it.

Spiderman can be hurt by DD but he will have to try harder to hit him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its just enhanced human slightly. Pressure points and hard enough pounding can put him down. And it was shown.

I have no denial over this.

Spiderman's musculstature and skeleton have been enhanced to deal with his lifting strength, so his body is very tough, tougher than everyone else BUT wolverine's body as a matter of fact.

Originally posted by jrodslam
True Wolverine should never hit Spiderman alone.

Nope, not at all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
However, Wolvie isnt alone and if Spideys distracted, he very well can. Spiderman is going to swing Wolvie into DD and Cap?

They have the distance advantage over wolverine, and DD and CAp.

The only way the trio is winning, is by boxing spiderman in, which will be nigh impossible to do in a random matchup as such.

Also remember that an adequate hit will finish 2 of the team off.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And they wouldnt be able to dodge it? Lol. What are they doing? Taking a nap? Spidey loses. Fact.

With spiderman's webbing, they can't outmuslce it, spiderman is coordinated enough to keep them down, easily.

They can win and put up a fight though, don't get me wrong.

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/powers_abilities/ and this is when spiderman was weak.

Hey Tha-C Master.

whats up?

I'm trying to find an avatar, that matches with my sig. How about yourself ?

I like that one

Originally posted by King KAM
stats are one thing, Captain ,Wolverine,and DareDevil are only stat bound in strength, but besides that......Ive seen Cap throw Thor.....

Thor is also probably about 200 lbs. The day Cap can't throw a 200 lb man is the day I stop reading comics.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Between DD, Spidey, DD has the best senses. How do i come to that conclusion you ask? DD and Spidey are sitting, and someones about to fire on them. They both know it. Difference is that DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Spidey doesnt. Now which would you say is better? These been a few occasions where DD had the heads up over Spidey. Like DD once said "Spider-Sense will tell the arachnid somethings wrong, but not what." "Hypersenses make it all too clear to me..."

See statement above.

Some sort of. It caused Spiderman to become very enraged. The brain washing had nothing to do with Spiderman being knocked out. Even if he wasnt enraged and DD hit him like that, hed still be able to ko Spidey. No way human atacks should be able to hurt Spidey, you say? Spidey doesn NOT have superhuman durability. Its just enhanced human slightly. Pressure points and hard enough pounding can put him down. And it was shown.

True Wolverine should never hit Spiderman alone. However, Wolvie isnt alone and if Spideys distracted, he very well can. Spiderman is going to swing Wolvie into DD and Cap? And they wouldnt be able to dodge it? Lol. What are they doing? Taking a nap? Spidey loses. Fact.

You clearly don't know how the Spider sense works.

It allows Spidey to know where the attack is coming from, what kind of attack it is, just how intense the attack will be, and where it will hit. Like C-Master already said, it tells him whether Aunt May is just coming upstairs to his room, or if homeone is about to snipe him from a distance, or if someone is about to throw a car on him. If that weren't true, he'd never be able to dodge bullets the way he does. Cuz all he'd do is know that something is about to hit him, but not know which way to dodge. Then he'd get tagged by a barrage of bullets. Do you see why what you say doesn't make any sense?

I agree that DD's senses during a non-fighting situation are better, but they aren't precog. They happen instantaneously with the attack. Spidey knows the attack at least 1-2 seconds before it happens, giving him ample time to dodge or counter. DD will know an attack is coming from Spidey right as Spidey's fist hits his face. DD's sense won't allow him to react fast enough if his opponent (Spiderman) is that much faster than him.

Fact.

And I do know the instance you speak of when DD was able to hit Spidey using his billy club as a distraction. If you recall correctly, Spidey wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind when that happened. He wasn't particularly listening to all his senses correctly. Spiderman in the right frame of mind would never have let that happen. And would basically thrash DD something nasty.

...Spiderman...doesn't have superhuman durability?

Are you serious? Do you read his comics? The things he gets hit with...the amount of power he gets hit with...it's not even up for debate. If DD were to take the several powerful hits from Doc Ock's tentacles he would be dead. Pure and simple. Same with Venom. Shocker. Carnage. Hulk. Juggernaut. Rhino. Sandman.

Spiderman has SUPERHUMAN durability. Yes, a bullet can pierce him. But he heals from it about 10x faster, being that he has a healing factor of 10x healthy, good condition human. And a bullet can pierce all these guys as well.

Good thing no one has a gun in this fight.

Pressure points and a lot of pounding can also put Wolverine down for a short while.