Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
http://www.geocities.com/spydr7/

Right and wrong.

In terms of touch, smell, hearing, and tasting, yes.

In terms of radar sense being better than precognition, no.

We see different on this.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
An interesting point you brought up though, DD's hypersenses make him hypersensitive.

A blow to the ears puts him out, easy.[/QUOTE

A pretty loud and hard blow to the ears.

[QUOTE=5019693]Originally posted by Tha C-Master
pre·cog·ni·tion (prkg-nshn)
n.

Knowledge of something in advance of its occurrence, especially by extrasensory perception.

DD has supersenses, spiderman has a sixth sense, if a person is looking at spiderman wrong it will activate, if a person points a knife at him, it will activate.

If a person looks at Spiderman wrong it activate spidey snese? Can you prove that? If a person points a knife at him it will active. I believe that. However DD knows the person is pulling the knife while theyre still in the act of doing it. Not when its pointed. 😄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD's senses are nowhere close to being superior to spiderman's, especially now that its been upgraded.

2 questions. How so was it upgraded? And when? Like i said before we seem to have differnt opinions on that. But from comics, that they are both in, DD's senses seem superior.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD just knows the direction, he doesn't know whats about to happen next like spiderman, not by a longshot.

You are completely false in that statement. He does know whats about to happen. Spiderman doesnt. The spider-sense NEVER tells him what the danger is. Only that there is a danger.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman can detect what is the threat, the intensity of it, the direction of it, whether its aunt may coming behind him with a broom, or a gun being fired.

False.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He gets the warning, and he dodges, its enough to save his life.

He gets the warning, then looks around to see what it is. Then dodges it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD isn't truely fast enough to dodge bullets, he admits it himself, and he's not on spiderman's level.

DD dodges bullets all the time. True he may not be on spiderman level due to the agility, but he dodges them with little effort all-together.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If we are going by plot devices they don't count, spiderman would never be written to maximum potential, never.

No one ever is written to maximum potential.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD admitted spiderman could beat him.

Who here is saying that Spiderman cant beat DD? Has Spiderman ever beat DD? They can both beat each other. Whats your point? As we see in the comics, almost anyone CAN beat anyone.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But not before it happened, thats the difference, the big flaw.
DD senses will be of little to no use in a no-holds-barred fight, when the opponent is right in front of him.

They has been an occasion when DD knew what was going to happen BEFORE it did. Spidermans senses didnt even go off yet. DD said "Move blah blah blah." Spiderman then said "How do you..?" Daredevil senses work even when he is in close quarter combat. When Spiderman is in closquarter does the spidey-sense constantly go off al the time? No. Same for DD.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spidersense helps peter stay ahead, DD's sense wouldn't have as much use if the opponents were constantly attacking him at the rate that spiderman does, at all.

DD is always being attacked my multiple enemies. Its his senses that allow him to know whats going to happen for him to dodge. Spiderman is just one guy DD has to worry about.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That was the one where spiderman wasn't fighting as himself, and DD still had trouble with him, and had to resort to an alternate tactic?

Spiderman was enraged true. DD didnt seem to have much trouble with him at all. He was just sure to avoid getting hit. However he sure pounded Spidey. He even overloaded the spidey-sense.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because in that matchup, DD admitted that he stood no chance against parker.

No he didnt say that. He said that if he were to let up, and give Spidey the chance, then Spidey would mop the floor with him. But when does DD ever let up in a fight?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The conditions of that bare little correlation with this matchup though.[/QUOTE

Well not really. Forum rules state that all fights are bloodlust. Thats not good for Spiderman because it causes him to be sloppy. If this fight isnt bloodlust, then all this talk about Spiderman killing Cap or DD with a punch is nulled. Either way Spiderman loses.

[QUOTE=5019693]Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD wouldn't be able to ko spiderman in one hit, highly unlikely.

Who said that DD would ko Spidery in one hit? One pressure point hit would put Spidey down though. I can ensure that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman would dodge a portion of it, making the damage less anyways.

Same would be said for DD. Hed even roll with the punched to take less damage.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD would have to put ALOT more effort to hurt spiderman, than likewise.

True. But only strength wise. A pressure point wouldnt have to hurt at all. But it can.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD is the weak link in this matchup.

DD would take a big risk fighting peter upclose in this matchup anyways.

If you think DD is the weak link in this matchup, then thats your opinion. Of the three, he has the best chance of avoiding Spidey. And besides Wolvie, if he IS to connect(pressure point) it would put Spidey down instantly. You say DD would take a risk in fighting Peter up close, but yet hes done it before. 😄 I dont see why he wouldnt risk it now.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its not on wolverine's level, but its beyond what a human can obtain, so in a sesne its superhuman, and that combined with his hypermetabolism.

Thats why its considered enhanced human. Not so much superhuman.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now, a human punched spiderman's bare hand, and broke his hand, broke it.

What human was this? DD hit Spidey and didnt break his hand. Namor as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman can be hurt by DD but he will have to try harder to hit him.

I say its even.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The only way the trio is winning, is by boxing spiderman in, which will be nigh impossible to do in a random matchup as such.

I think that Cap and especially DD can avoid the webbing. Therefore Spideys going to have to go in close. Spidey knows that he wouldnt be able to tag DD with it. Spidey staying didtant only would delay his defeat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Also remember that an adequate hit will finish 2 of the team off.

And a adequate hit from 2 of the 3 would finish Spidey off as well. Who has the better chance here?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
With spiderman's webbing, they can't outmuslce it, spiderman is coordinated enough to keep them down, easily.

I personally dont think he can catch Cap or DD with it as i said before.

Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/powers_abilities/ and this is when spiderman was weak.

Hey Tha-C Master.

Hah. Spidey even says himself in the Agility section that he's actually 40x faster than a normal human. I dunno how that compares to a peak human, but I do know that peak human isn't LEAGUES away from a normal human. So if anything, Spiderman is at least 30x faster than a peak human (and that's given the other guys more credit).

Originally posted by jrodslam
You are completely false in that statement. He does know whats about to happen. Spiderman doesnt. The spider-sense NEVER tells him what the danger is. Only that there is a danger.

He gets the warning, then looks around to see what it is. Then dodges it.

Funny, it doesn't look like Spiderman had the time to turn around here...

Sure seemed to let him know exactly what kind of attack it was.

But don't believe me. The picture is all you need.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It allows Spidey to know where the attack is coming from, what kind of attack it is, just how intense the attack will be, and where it will hit. Like C-Master already said, it tells him whether Aunt May is just coming upstairs to his room, or if homeone is about to snipe him from a distance, or if someone is about to throw a car on him. If that weren't true, he'd never be able to dodge bullets the way he does. Cuz all he'd do is know that something is about to hit him, but not know which way to dodge. Then he'd get tagged by a barrage of bullets. Do you see why what you say doesn't make any sense?

I think you all missed my point. Or rather i just said it wrong. Spidey does NOT know what the danger is. Only that there is danger.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I agree that DD's senses during a non-fighting situation are better, but they aren't precog. They happen instantaneously with the attack. Spidey knows the attack at least 1-2 seconds before it happens, giving him ample time to dodge or counter. DD will know an attack is coming from Spidey right as Spidey's fist hits his face. DD's sense won't allow him to react fast enough if his opponent (Spiderman) is that much faster than him.

Bullets are faster than DD too, yet he still dodges them easily. Why because he senses the shift in air patterns when somethings coming. It takes muscle movements to throw a punch. DD cn hear the muscles working while they are in the act of throwing the punch. does he always dodges punches? Of course not. Who does. Im just saying that DD can do that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I do know the instance you speak of when DD was able to hit Spidey using his billy club as a distraction. If you recall correctly, Spidey wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind when that happened. He wasn't particularly listening to all his senses correctly. Spiderman in the right frame of mind would never have let that happen. And would basically thrash DD something nasty.

That fight was bloodlusted for Spidey. Are all fights in these threads not bloodlusted? Thats was the point i was trying to bring up. When like that, Spidey is sloppy. If not bloodlusted then fine its not. But If thats the case, Spidey is most likely going to pull his punches in this fight. Same for Wolverine. However simple concentrated blows can put Spidey down.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Spiderman...doesn't have superhuman durability?

Are you serious? Do you read his comics? The things he gets hit with...the amount of power he gets hit with...it's not even up for debate. If DD were to take the several powerful hits from Doc Ock's tentacles he would be dead. Pure and simple. Same with Venom. Shocker. Carnage. Hulk. Juggernaut. Rhino. Sandman.

Spiderman has SUPERHUMAN durability. Yes, a bullet can pierce him. But he heals from it about 10x faster, being that he has a healing factor of 10x healthy, good condition human. And a bullet can pierce all these guys as well.

I dont consider Spidermans durability superhuman. Just enhanced human.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Pressure points and a lot of pounding can also put Wolverine down for a short while.

Youre right. However does Spidey know the pressure points? And how to execute them accurately? And while hes pounding, what are Cap and DD doing?

DD knowing whats going on and warning Spidey.

Both senses going off, but guesws what. DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Whats that Spidey says? "Something" then admitting DD was right.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Between DD, Spidey, DD has the best senses. How do i come to that conclusion you ask? DD and Spidey are sitting, and someones about to fire on them. They both know it. Difference is that DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Spidey doesnt. Now which would you say is better? These been a few occasions where DD had the heads up over Spidey. Like DD once said "Spider-Sense will tell the arachnid somethings wrong, but not what." "Hypersenses make it all too clear to me..."

Let's not forget though, that Daredevil can be taken by surprise. It's quite possible for something to move quicker than his heigtened senses can detect.

SM on the other hand..can not be taken by surprise. He may not be able to react quickly enough to the danger, however, he will know of its existence.

Some sort of. It caused Spiderman to become very enraged. The brain washing had nothing to do with Spiderman being knocked out. Even if he wasnt enraged and DD hit him like that, hed still be able to ko Spidey.

I believe in the fight your referring to..DD admitted multiple times throughout the story, that if SM had not been in the state that he was in..then he would likely have lost to the wallcrawler.

No way human atacks should be able to hurt Spidey, you say? Spidey doesn NOT have superhuman durability. Its just enhanced human slightly. Pressure points and hard enough pounding can put him down. And it was shown.

Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, inter-connected tissues, and nervous system have all been enhanced. Spider-Man's musculature has been augmented so that he can lift (press) about 10 tons.

True Wolverine should never hit Spiderman alone. However, Wolvie isnt alone and if Spideys distracted, he very well can. Spiderman is going to swing Wolvie into DD and Cap? And they wouldnt be able to dodge it? Lol. What are they doing? Taking a nap? Spidey loses. Fact. [/B]

Or how about this scenario..SM continues to dodge Wolvie's attack, Cap's shield, and DD's billy club....seeing as how he dodges attacks much faster than any of these three can dish out all the time.(ie semi automatic fire, symbiotic darts and axes, steel tentacles)

Continues to fire webbing at the trio until they eventually become completely webbed up, and then proceeds to kill each of the incapitated combatants one by one... 😄

Originally posted by jrodslam
I think you all missed my point. Or rather i just said it wrong. Spidey does NOT know what the danger is. Only that there is danger.

And I think you missed my point. And I don't think I said it wrong. Spidey DOES know what the danger is. Also where it's coming from, where it will hit, and the intensity of it.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Bullets are faster than DD too, yet he still dodges them easily. Why because he senses the shift in air patterns when somethings coming. It takes muscle movements to throw a punch. DD cn hear the muscles working while they are in the act of throwing the punch. does he always dodges punches? Of course not. Who does. Im just saying that DD can do that.

I'm not denying this.

Originally posted by jrodslam

That fight was bloodlusted for Spidey. Are all fights in these threads not bloodlusted? Thats was the point i was trying to bring up. When like that, Spidey is sloppy. If not bloodlusted then fine its not. But If thats the case, Spidey is most likely going to pull his punches in this fight. Same for Wolverine. However simple concentrated blows can put Spidey down.

Yes, I know that fight was bloodlusted. But, at least in my opinion, the definition for bloodlust in terms of vs matches than in comics. Bloodlust here means that they will be fightin to the BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT KILLING. Spidey was clearly not fighting to the best of his abilities when he fought DD that time. So bad example on your part. It takes a lot to get Spidey frustrated. Happens 1% of the time.

Spidey won't be pulling his punches. And I don't expect Wolverine to either.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont consider Spidermans durability superhuman. Just enhanced human.

Answer my previous post. Could DD take a strong hit from any of those villians? Not a glancing blow, but a strong, powerful hit. The ones Spidey takes all the time without getting too damaged at all?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Youre right. However does Spidey know the pressure points? And how to execute them accurately? And while hes pounding, what are Cap and DD doing?

I don't expect Spidey to know anything about pressure points. I was really just making a point myself.

What are Cap and DD doing while Spiderman is pounding Wolverine? Getting pounded themselves the same way.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If a person looks at Spiderman wrong it activate spidey snese? Can you prove that? If a person points a knife at him it will active. I believe that. However DD knows the person is pulling the knife while theyre still in the act of doing it. Not when its pointed. 😄

Has been done, and it was described in the link I showed you, in fact all of this was.

Spiderman knows before, daredevil doesn't fact.

DD doesn't have precognition, and is the weak link here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
2 questions. How so was it upgraded? And when? Like i said before we seem to have differnt opinions on that. But from comics, that they are both in, DD's senses seem superior.

He gave birth to himself and it was enhanced, seem superior?

Spiderman is severly toned down, thats why, it would take too much time to draw that, so that point is moot, because this isn't a comic book.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You are completely false in that statement. He does know whats about to happen. Spiderman doesnt. The spider-sense NEVER tells him what the danger is. Only that there is a danger.

I didn't say he did, I told you the direction, and the intensity before.

DD doesn't know whats about to happen before it happens, his senses give him hints.

which are less effective here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He gets the warning, then looks around to see what it is. Then dodges it.

Not always, and not accurately, he has no need to, his reflexes are good enough to the point where he dodges it instinctively.

Originally posted by jrodslam
DD dodges bullets all the time. True he may not be on spiderman level due to the agility, but he dodges them with little effort all-together.

He himself said he cant truly dodge them, he senses that one is fired in the direction, not my point anyway.

I'm telling you that he isn't HALF the dodger of spiderman, fact.

Originally posted by jrodslam
No one ever is written to maximum potential.

Some are written beyond it, like wolverine.

Spiderman is always holding back, etc.

CIS is off, so he gets his extra benefit of this matchup, spiderman leaves matches untouched.

Thor couldn't touch him, and many people faster than daredevil, there is no reason the trio should touch him easily.

And not DD

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who here is saying that Spiderman cant beat DD? Has Spiderman ever beat DD? They can both beat each other. Whats your point? As we see in the comics, almost anyone CAN beat anyone.

You are missing my point, its not what HAS happened, its what most likely will happen.

Spiderman without CIS whoops DD about 9/10.

Furthermore you proved my point about this not being a comic book, and to use logic, and not xxx arguments, which you arent doing too much of.

Originally posted by jrodslam
They has been an occasion when DD knew what was going to happen BEFORE it did. Spidermans senses didnt even go off yet. DD said "Move blah blah blah." Spiderman then said "How do you..?" Daredevil senses work even when he is in close quarter combat. When Spiderman is in closquarter does the spidey-sense constantly go off al the time? No. Same for DD.

They do work in close quater, but his extra senses are not as effective, why would he need them right there.

DD doesn't have precog, fact.

Spiderman does, fact.

Spiderman's precog should in fact go off ALL the time, but doesn't because again, its toned down.

Originally posted by jrodslam
DD is always being attacked my multiple enemies. Its his senses that allow him to know whats going to happen for him to dodge. Spiderman is just one guy DD has to worry about.

Yes, and spiderman fights more fluidly against multiple opponents.

His senses tell him the direction, and give him location, but not BEFORE, thats the key word here.

Spiderman won't need radar sense in this matchup, when he has spider sense, and has eyes and FAR greater reflexes and speed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Spiderman was enraged true. DD didnt seem to have much trouble with him at all. He was just sure to avoid getting hit. However he sure pounded Spidey. He even overloaded the spidey-sense.

Its a comic match between two icons, of course he would.

He wouldn't logically do much to spiderman in an actual matchup though, he'd give him a bit of a workout.

Originally posted by jrodslam
No he didnt say that. He said that if he were to let up, and give Spidey the chance, then Spidey would mop the floor with him. But when does DD ever let up in a fight?

He said he is not a match for spiderman, and spiderman was still giving him trouble.

This is irrelevant though, because it doesn't apply here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who said that DD would ko Spidery in one hit? One pressure point hit would put Spidey down though. I can ensure that.

No, think of the work and precision for that pressure point to work.

It takes alot of focus, whileas spiderman just has to nail him, once, thats it.

Pressure points aren't hard to do, spiderman knows the anatomy, the vital areas, one 1/10th force punch would be fatal.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Same would be said for DD. Hed even roll with the punched to take less damage.

Think of this though.

Spiderman is delivering MUCH more force, and has the better reflexes, durabilty, speed, agility, etc.

Who would you bet to dodge and roll off damage more?>

If spiderman hits him, he isn't going to keep moving 100 percent anyways.

Originally posted by jrodslam
True. But only strength wise. A pressure point wouldnt have to hurt at all. But it can.

Read above, I know the difference between nerve strikes and critical strikes.

I can hurt you alot with a pressure point, but do no real damage, thats a nerve point.

A critcal point is the opposite, fatal, but not always painful.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If you think DD is the weak link in this matchup, then thats your opinion. Of the three, he has the best chance of avoiding Spidey. And besides Wolvie, if he IS to connect(pressure point) it would put Spidey down instantly. You say DD would take a risk in fighting Peter up close, but yet hes done it before. 😄 I dont see why he wouldnt risk it now.

He is the most agile, but not the fastest of the trio.

He is the least durable

The least skilled.

The weakest too.

With the least dangerous weapons.

None of the trio overwhelm spiderman in anything but durabilty, and training, but spiderman is more experienced as a hero than all but cap.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats why its considered enhanced human. Not so much superhuman.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What human was this? DD hit Spidey and didnt break his hand. Namor as well.

I said a human, dd is peak human an exeption, dD gets his hand grabbed, and it breaks.

3 olympic level athletes vs a superhuman.

Also namor carried a 250,000 ton sub, he is much stronger and more durable than peter.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I say its even.

Not in the least, DD is only peak human level in speed reflexes coordination, agility etc.

Spiderman is 20x reflexes, 15x agility, speed, and has precog, and is MUCH stronger.

So logic dictates that he'd hit easier.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I think that Cap and especially DD can avoid the webbing. Therefore Spideys going to have to go in close. Spidey knows that he wouldnt be able to tag DD with it. Spidey staying didtant only would delay his defeat.

they could, but spidemran is faster than them, and so is the webbing, good luck with that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And a adequate hit from 2 of the 3 would finish Spidey off as well. Who has the better chance here?

Only wolvie could, and has to get close.

The only way they are getting close is by boxing in, see?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I personally dont think he can catch Cap or DD with it as i said before.

Why not, he's faster, and more coordinated.

Here, Spideys senses dont even go off. Daredevil warns him seconds before.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Both senses going off, but guesws what. DD knows what it is and where its coming from. Whats that Spidey says? "Something" then admitting DD was right.

Oh yea. Cuz Spiderman looks so caught off guard in that second one. The only reason DD knew what is was before Spidey is because DD can actually hear the cocking of the shotgun. Spidey knew he was about to get shot at, just didn't hear the sound of the gun. Clearly he did, or he wouldn't have dodged the way he did. When there are other options. Like ducking, diving to either side, dropping down, or climbing up. But he chose that way to dodge the attack. Clearly showing he knew what it was, where it was coming from, where it would hit, and how instense the attack would be.

That first pic also kinda hinders Spidey since he was on the other side of the glass. He couldn't hear the same things that DD did and couldn't smell the gas. I'm sure his Spider sense was going off like crazy. But I think he was trying to see if DD needed help really. That's what I gathered from it. He was more trying to see if there was anything he could do.

But you know, that's just me.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I think you missed my point. And I don't think I said it wrong. Spidey DOES know what the danger is. Also where it's coming from, where it will hit, and the intensity of it.

By the looks of my scans it doesnt seem so.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Answer my previous post. Could DD take a strong hit from any of those villians? Not a glancing blow, but a strong, powerful hit. The ones Spidey takes all the time without getting too damaged at all?

Yes DD would be able to take hits from the villains you named. DD knows how to roll with punches thus reducing their effects.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Here, Spideys senses dont even go off. Daredevil warns him seconds before.

and that DD didn't have precog?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh yea. Cuz Spiderman looks so caught off guard in that second one. The only reason DD knew what is was before Spidey is because DD can actually hear the cocking of the shotgun. Spidey knew he was about to get shot at, just didn't hear the sound of the gun. Clearly he did, or he wouldn't have dodged the way he did. When there are other options. Like ducking, diving to either side, dropping down, or climbing up. But he chose that way to dodge the attack. Clearly showing he knew what it was, where it was coming from, where it would hit, and how instense the attack would be.

That first pic also kinda hinders Spidey since he was on the other side of the glass. He couldn't hear the same things that DD did and couldn't smell the gas. I'm sure his Spider sense was going off like crazy. But I think he was trying to see if DD needed help really. That's what I gathered from it. He was more trying to see if there was anything he could do.

But you know, that's just me.

Spiderman caught off guard? Did you just say that Spiderman was caught off guard? Both their senses went off at the same time. Spidey did NOT know he was about to get shot at. Thats why he said "Something" DD said Shotgun. Then proceded to follow DD off the cliff.

No youre making excuses for Spidey. If DD was on the other side of the glass he still would have bee able to tell what was going to happen. Thats just how good his senses are. His senses were going off yea. But he still didnt know what was going to happen.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you are going to use one scene, despite it working better on numerous occasions.

and that DD didn't have precog?

Did you see the previous scans? This thread involves DD and Spidey both. Are we not having a debate on whos senses are better? In 3 occasions do they not show that DD's senses are superior to Spidey?

C-Master you said Spidey knows before and DD doesnt. Fact

I just proved you wrong on 3 occasions they were together.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Here, Spideys senses dont even go off. Daredevil warns him seconds before.

Yea. I have that issue. Not only is that Ultimate Spiderman (hey, everyone else uses that argument whenever I bring up Ultimate characters), but he's also 15 in this series. He's only been Spiderman for a few months when this happened. I know this, because I have that exact issue. So he's MAD INEXPERIENCED. And anyone who reads Ultimate Spiderman will tell you that.

And I know that comic is from Ultimate X-men. Volume...#7 I believe.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea. I have that issue. Not only is that Ultimate Spiderman (hey, everyone else uses that argument whenever I bring up Ultimate characters), but he's also 15 in this series. He's only been Spiderman for a few months when this happened. I know this, because I have that exact issue. So he's MAD INEXPERIENCED. And anyone who reads Ultimate Spiderman will tell you that.

And I know that comic is from Ultimate X-men. Volume...#7 I believe.

Ohh ok I see. So because hes inexpewrienced his spider-senses dont work fully huh?

So what about the other 2 occasions? Ohh thats right. You say Spidey wasnt prepared on the ledge, and the other time, he was on the other side of the glas is to why he didnt know what was going to happen.

I get it now.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Spiderman caught off guard? Did you just say that Spiderman was caught off guard? Both their senses went off at the same time. Spidey did NOT know he was about to get shot at. Thats why he said "Something" DD said Shotgun. Then proceded to follow DD off the cliff.

No youre making excuses for Spidey. If DD was on the other side of the glass he still would have bee able to tell what was going to happen. Thats just how good his senses are. His senses were going off yea. But he still didnt know what was going to happen.

I was being sarcastic in that first sentence.

And yet I've shown you and told you of instances where Spidey's known exactly what the attack will be, where it's coming from, where it's going to hit, and how intense it is.

And you can't prove that DD would be able to do the same thing if he was on the other side of the glass. First, he wouldn't be able to smell the gas, and second the sound of the metal clanging wouldn't have sounded the same. There's a good chance he wouldn't have known what would happen then.

Seems that we won't be able to convince each other.