Originally posted by jrodslam
C-Master you said Spidey knows before and DD doesnt. FactI just proved you wrong on 3 occasions they were together.
DD doesn't have precogntive senses though, he senses and gathers hints at a hyper rate, that allows him to detect and get hints.
Say if a pin was dropping, he would get hints that the pin needle would drop, but he wouldn't know the pin would drop before.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ohh ok I see. So because hes inexpewrienced his spider-senses dont work fully huh?So what about the other 2 occasions? Ohh thats right. You say Spidey wasnt prepared on the ledge, and the other time, he was on the other side of the glas is to why he didnt know what was going to happen.
I get it now.
Exactly. He was inexperienced. Still wasn't fully aware of how his poweres worked and the full potential of them. I stand by what I said.
Spidey was totally prepared on that ledge, prepared even before DD was in my opinion since he said something first.
LOL, i have a comic, it's actually a book of spidey crossovers, in it, he carries wolvy like a child to get away from danger, the punisher meets DD, and the punisher is a foot from him and fires and DD flips out of the way, but misses on purpose, DD acknowleges that he can't dodge bullets, and that Punisher must kno he's a good guy if he missed on purpose like that.
"His heat. Pumps" (gunshots)
"By the way--in case you were wondering--I can't dodge bullets. I can't outrun bullets, I cant otthink bullets. So, it would seem he wasn't shooting to kill me. He was shooting for me to do something like this. To get away from him, so he could bail."
And has neone looked at the pic?
Originally posted by jrodslam
First off, Metal, Spideys inexperience in Ultimate has NOTHING to do with the spidey-senses going off.Even in the regular universe when he first became who he is, the spidey-sense always worked as a warning device.
Then I'm going to use the same excuse others give me about the Ultimate universe:
It's different. Things happen differently there. DD apparently has much better senses in the Ultimate universe than in 616. And Spidey is apparently not that great in the precog department in the Ultimate universe.
Though, in Ultimate, Wolvie's healing factor is so much more unbelievable. It's absurd in Ultimate.
Originally posted by jrodslamSpiderman can choose to ignore that too, he did when he was younger.
First off, Metal, Spideys inexperience in Ultimate has NOTHING to do with the spidey-senses going off.Even in the regular universe when he first became who he is, the spidey-sense always worked as a warning device.
Again, his spidersense has improved.
And yet again DD can be caught by surprise if its fast enough, spiderman may not react, but he KNOWS whats going to happen.
Precog is vastly underwritten.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
DD doesn't have precogntive senses though, he senses and gathers hints at a hyper rate, that allows him to detect and get hints.Say if a pin was dropping, he would get hints that the pin needle would drop, but he wouldn't know the pin would drop before.
You simple said that Spidey knows whats going to happen, where etc and DD doesnt. I proved you wrong in both instances.
If a pin was about to drop say from a table. DD would know the pin is about to roll off the table for one. As it leaves the table and cuts through the air, he would know exactly where its going to drop so hed be able to catch it.
Originally posted by jrodslamExactly, but NOT before, he'd now by the hints.
You simple said that Spidey knows whats going to happen, where etc and DD doesnt. I proved you wrong in both instances.If a pin was about to drop say from a table. DD would know the pin is about to roll off the table for one. As it leaves the table and cuts through the air, he would know exactly where its going to drop so hed be able to catch it.
There are no hints if it hasn't happened.. 😉
Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes DD would be able to take hits from the villains you named. DD knows how to roll with punches thus reducing their effects. [/B]
Roll with the punches... 😆 😆
You're an excellent debator my friend..but you've been reading too many of Jinzin's posts...No way is DD rolling with a full force punch from Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock's tentacles... 😄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Roll with the punches... 😆 😆You're an excellent debator my friend..but you've been reading too many of Jinzin's posts...No way is DD rolling with a full force punch from Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock's tentacles... 😄
Obviously you dont know about Daredevil my friend.
He did so when he fought Namor. Who by the way is waaay stronger than Doc Ock, Venom, or Rhino.
Originally posted by whobdamandogIt happened, but it simply isn't logical.
Roll with the punches... 😆 😆You're an excellent debator my friend..but you've been reading too many of Jinzin's posts...No way is DD rolling with a full force punch from Venom, Rhino, Doc Ock's tentacles... 😄
A 100+ton hit, at too much velocity would be fatal to dd, if we aren't looking at sales.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It happened, but it simply isn't logical.A 100+ton hit, at too much velocity would be fatal to dd, if we aren't looking at sales.
How many things that go on in the comcs are logical?
Ofcourse it would be fatal. Thats why they never land in full blows. Thats why DD rolls with the punches. He knows hed be killed. I guess thats why hes that dam good.
Originally posted by jrodslam
No one else supports me you say? By the poll it doesnt seem that way. Plus I really dont need anyone's support. I have proof to back me up. 😄
As do we, my friend.
See, the problem here is that there have been MANY occasions where our arguments are supported 100%. And then there MANY occasions where your arguments are supported 100%.
And this is the paradox that we're in. Neither of us is going to convince the other.
So, I will go on thinking that Spiderman can take these three after a difficult battle, and you can go on saying that the trio will beat him.
Originally posted by jrodslam
How many things that go on in the comcs are logical?Ofcourse it would be fatal. Thats why they never land in full blows. Thats why DD rolls with the punches. He knows hed be killed. I guess thats why hes that dam good.
I think you misunderstand the concept of "rolling with the punches". Xavier (just thinking of someone with normal durability, and let's say he can walk and all that), even with his telepathy and precognition, can't roll with the punch from Superman and be alright.
Just really think about the concept before you start using it.
Ok this whole spider-sense thing is starting to get stupid. First off, his spider-sense warns him 2-3 seconds before the danger occurs. Second he knows the extremty of the danger (such as someone is walking with a gun or about to shoot at him). He knows where the danger is coming from and where to avoid it. What he dosen't know is what the danger is, such as a man walks down the street with a gun in his coat spidey knows there's something wrong about the guy but not sure what, or like in that scan earlier spidey's sense's go off he knows the danger is there where to go and what to do, but dosen't know its a shotgun. Unlike daredevil who hear's something like the trigger being squeezed so he avoids as its about to be fired.
So due to this both of them have precog, just spider-man's warns him earlierand tells him where to go, DD knows what the danger is but works out for himself where to go eg heres where the gun is.
As for their fight ( I assume we are talking about "the death of jean Dewolff"😉 Spider-man was being an idiot instead of listing to his sense's properly he decided to only listen to 1 bit of danger which was enough time to give DD time to beat up on him, now if he was fighting as he normaly would he would have dodged the billy club and would still be using his sense's to automaticly make him dodge DD and lay into him instead. In the story spidey was only using brute force which won't work against DD.
I still say this fight is a 50 50 depends how fast spidey can take out members of the trio, or if the trio can quickly box spidey into a corner (which is unlikley because he avoids things like that nowadays with his exp and all)
Oh and finaly using an ultimate scan to show spider-man's spidey sense bravo, you have successfully found the spider-man that looses every fight the first time around and the second and occasionly the 3rd. Seriosly ultimate spidey sucks as a super hero (hopefully he will get better) But the fact is he is inexperienced dosent particly use his spider-sense I can't realy rember him using it in a fight since the first appearance of the kingpin.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think you misunderstand the concept of "rolling with the punches". Xavier (just thinking of someone with normal durability, and let's say he can walk and all that), even with his telepathy and precognition, can't roll with the punch from Superman and be alright.Just really think about the concept before you start using it.
The question was stated can Daredevil take a punch from Rhino, Venom blah blah.
I simply said yes and gave the reason why. At least Daredevil does it on a normal occasion. As to where Xavier hardly fights. Superman is >>>>>>>Faster and Stronger than Spiderman so i dont see where this point comes in.
Most of your points seem to be non-valid.