Originally posted by jinzin
ok well then I ask the thread starter if these characters are to pulled so far out of character that they will be going for the kill?not that it really matters since in my opinion spiderman would still get his ass handed to him.
The character's have no problem killing to secure a victory.
Sorry for delay.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
I fully agree my grammer sucks and my typeing ign spelling but thats because I have learnign problems were I see every thing back words and stuff
Hey, man, don't let them get to you. They're picking on you because they can't argue with the real fact that Spider-Man would lose. I think your point is coming across loud and clear: SPIDER-MAN WOULD LOSE!!!
Originally posted by Capt.JK
I think your point is coming across loud and clear: [B]SPIDER-MAN WOULD LOSE!!! [/B]
yes ........ we can all hear his "point".... or as i like to call it, his "opinion" 😄
does typing in capitals make a point more valid?
SPIDER-MAN WOULD WIN ...... AND I DON'T WANT TO KICK LINK'S FACE IN........ NOT ALL THE TIME ANYWAY........ WOW........ I IMAGINE IT WOULD GET A LITTLE ANNOYING IF EVERYONE POSTED IN THIS WAY ALL THE TIME..... DON'T YOU THINK?
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Originally posted by jinzin
that was one fight out of how many the two have had?And strawnilla again you misguided person, try to bend what I'm saying into something completely different than the idea that I'm trying to convey. My point was that (for everyone saying spidey will be going around killing everybody) killing for some of these characters is out of the question,,,,in any scenario. So until the thread starter says that any means necessary means that their morality is basically ripped from their souls hearts and minds and they are pulled completely out of character, it's my opinion that they should stay in character.
You keep saying spiderman will KO wolvie in one hit when he's already displayed his ability to take everything spiderman physically had with nothing more than a smile on his face. Wolvie doesn't even get KO'ed by some people in class 70 spiderman isn't knocking him out unless he's getting really really lucky.
Has spiderman ever had a hard time hitting people? on average no. Against daredevil.....that's another story. DD at his best would feel spidey coming for him just as spidey started to move. Spidey is gonna have to be focused on DD if he wants to close the gap to get to DD, the problem with that is that strategy leaves him open to attack from the other two. Same with cap, spidey will have to get past that sheild and it won't be a cakewalk.
Again I defer to the enforcers exapmple. If that lasso guy could lasso spidey why would daredevil have trouble doing the same with his billy club. If fancy dan could not only hit spidey but dodge him as well and even make him gasp for air, why would anyone of these trioers have a problem doing to the same. If a big brute like (i don't remember his name) could hit spidey and stagger him, why would the trio have ahard time doing so as well. Your history argument really isn't doing you much good here.
speaking of which I don't know what you're trying to prove with the "history" comment, especially when "history" as also proved that any one of these three heroes would give spidey a good run for his money on their own. Against all three, how does this change to be in spidey's favor?
You say Wolvie's displayed the ability to take punches with class 70 pressing power behind him when years back (and this has been pointed out earlier in the thread) it took him a couple issues to heal ONE eye. Going from having to trouble healing an eye to taking punches from class 70 bricks is a BIG jump. I still don't see how Wolvie's mind would be resting in one place when you've got a guy that's basically class 20 pounding on your skull. I mean, the adamantium layer protecting his skull can't be that thick otherwise Wolvie's would go around with a face that looks like it's chock full of botox. It doesn't. And I see no reason why Spidey hammering at Wolvie wouldn't result in concussion other than examples of Spidey not getting the job done in a fight that came after Spidey had backhanded him a few feet out of mid-air just a few issues earlier. That's not to say that Wolvie isn't a good fighter but c'mon! Composed or not, in Secret Wars Spidey just had a gameplan that was more than the X-Men lineup at that time could handle. First Spidey came in and disabled the Prof. X (who had announced Spidey's coming right before ol' Pete dropped in) leaving the guys without psychic abilities to fend for themselves against a much faster and (in Storm's, Nightcrawler's, and Wolvie's case) much stronger opponent. it's not like they were taken aback more by Spidey himself rather than Spidey himself after Prof. X was out of the picture for awhile. And let's not forget how the X-Men were making a group effort to try and stop Spidey, only to find them useless. To sum it up: Spidey could handle Wolvie by his lonesome when Wolvie couldn't handle him with the backing of Collosus, Rogue, Storm, etc.
And you recall those other accounts where DD could dodge Spidey's attacks but yet you fail to mention that in one fight with a hypnotized Spidey DD himself admitted that on average he didn't have a chance against Spidey, in fact, he even admitted that his only advantage in the fight was that Spidey's mind was clouded because of his being hypnotized which meant that he could outsmart him and dodge his attacks. Note: He admitted all this when Spidey was mimicking his own attacks with greater speed and might. Superhuman senses are not pre-cog, DD at best should have the sprinting speed of a peak human and reflexes perhaps slightly above that, seriously. Sure with his senses he can locate Spidey somewhere, but the chances he has of using this to dodge a blitz attack or even slightly below are slight. I don't see how anyone can call DD a peak human in one case yet deny Spidey (a legitimate high-end superhuman judging from his stats alone) chances of touching him. Where's the meaning of discussion here?
And you defer to the Enforcers example when they encountered a young and cocky Spidey still a bit fresh from the spider bite when we still haven't discussed the second encounter with Spidey and the Enforcers where he learned from his mistakes from when he was younger and punked the Enforcers like nothing doin'.
My comment about history was simply to bring out that when I used comic examples I dwelled not on morals and simply focused on using them as a legitimate stronghold in displaying Spidey's power. It has nothing to do with Spidey jobbing to guys that are physically below his level like a superstar would in the WWE.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
first off no wolverine dident lung at him at all they were talken and wolverine said what are u doing when he web his hands and spiderman flipp after webbign wolverine outa no were when they were talken nice try thou I own the comic
Woah...now THAT was a nice try.
Spidey and the kid are on the roof talking, last panel on the page shows Wolverine's hand and the classic "snikt." The next page the kid blasts Wolverine where he gets launched to the next building.
Wolverine then says "I'm here to help, kid. I don't WANT to hurt you. But, oky...you wanna play rough? I can play ROUGH" and then he busts into his classic Wolverine lunge.....kid blasts him causing him to bounce 2x before the back of his head collides with a chimney.
Wolverine gets up and does another classic lunge while proclaiming "That's it, kid! I'm takin' you out!" which leads to Spidey quickly grab the kid and move so they both avoid the attack. Wolverine answers with a witty "ROAARRRGH!" in big scary red letters.
They all go down to street level. Wolverine goes into som long except...which is what you're talking about...but then says "...but if you don't get out of my way, you're going to have more than you can handle."
The following is possibly the biggest diss to Wolverine's character I've ever seen. He looks absolutely pathetic webbed up with his claws to his head and his body suspended in air.
He had the claws out earlier. He was lunging and making threats. He was being Wolverine. Unforetunately Spiderman was being Spiderman...which doesn't bode too well for pointy clawed anti-hero. 😬
Originally posted by Capt.JK
Honestly, man. I'll bet you have people just walking around thinking of the various ways they'd like to kick your face in. I know I do every time I see a post from you. Leave the guy alone.
I'm sorry that someone from an internet movie sight occupies your thoughts...
Please refrain from fantasizing....
God your dumb! Wolverines claws are steathed and he is trying to reason with Spider-man telling to get out of the way because he doesn't want to fight but he will if he has two. While Wolverine is saying this Spiderman flips over him and webs up Wolverine in the alley. Not only can you not read correctly, but you cant even look at the pictures and get a grasp of what is going on... sad man.
lol...once again this thread is starting to get pretty heated up, except this time I had nothing to do with the trash talkin..lol..anyway...
I did some more research regarding the DD fight. The other issue where DD confronts him is when SM has been temporarily blinded by some lameoid villian, and he lunges at DD because of his anger over his blindness. Once again...DD runs away with his freakin slong taped to his ass..in fear for his life. He then manages to calm Spider-Man down and assist him in recovering his sight. So please someone tell me, where the hell did you guys ever get the opininion that DD is capable of beating SM? Especially since "history" has proven that DD becomes a nutered p*ssy everytime he has to encounter with a weakened version of the webslinger.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
God your dumb! Wolverines claws are steathed and he is trying to reason with Spider-man telling to get out of the way because he doesn't want to fight but he will if he has two. While Wolverine is saying this Spiderman flips over him and webs up Wolverine in the alley. Not only can you not read correctly, but you cant even look at the pictures and get a grasp of what is going on... sad man.
And this helps you prove the case of Wolvie/Cap/DD defeating Spider Man in what way?
Another "historical" example..SM confronts the Red Skull...Cap's nemesis. The Red skull, being a complete nutered p*ssy sends one of his henchmen after SM. Spider Man quickly clobbers the Henchman, and the Red Skull runs away in fear of SM's power. Spidey then goes on to whoop on the Red Skull, the guy who Cap consistantly has difficulty with. *joke*sits in silence and waits for Capt Jk to respond with one of his Cap tirades..lol..pulease try to come up with something different other than the standard "SM looses" deal..lol*
Okay final example of SM vs DD...Sin eater story...SM gets enraged over something and lunges at DD like a retard because he's gone nuts or something...Once again DD runs away like a nuttered p*ssy, and makes reference to the fact that if Spider Man was on the ball, he'd essentially be dead..he manages to take down an enraged Spidey by taking him by surprise and hitting him on some of his pressure points...the battle between the two stops..and they proceed to go after the real enemy...3 times DD has admitted he'd be toast if SM was fighting for real, each time SM was at some sort of disadvantage when he admitted this. So I ask you Trio supporters one last time, where the hell did you ever get off stating that DD has defeated/stalemated SM?
i'm new here. i have a few things to say about this one. before anyone asks I have read all of these characters significantly through the years. first off, its clear that all of these characters at one time or another have had their powers either exaggerated or diminished by some writer for the sake of telling a more balanced story, personal favoritism, or any other reason. b/c of this its hard to refer to a specific comic as 'proof' in any conclusive way. in general, however, there are accepted power levels that are attributed to each character. you can find these, with slight differences even here, in various 'official handbooks' and 'marvel encyclopedias.' generally, cap is described as being in 'peak human condition' -- referring to strength, speed, endurance, agility etc. quantitatively, hes able to lift/press about 800-1500lbs--maybe a ton. DD is not this strong by any account, and wolverine is sometimes described as having this level of strength, but generally he doesnt -- and he certainly isnt stronger. spiderman, however, is consistently described as being orders of magnitutde stronger -- about a factor of 10 times. i realize that there is more to fighting than strength, but the point of the above was to basically show that against spiderman none of these characters can rely on their strength. basically, one or two hits from cap or DD wont do much against spiderman. wolverine is the only character able to do damage from a single hit. moving to speed/quickness and agility. also no contest here. DD is fast, quick, and agile. so is cap, but probably more so than DD. same goes for wolverine. he is sometimes described as being at cap's level in these categories, sometimes not--but hes in caps general ballpark. spiderman is ALWAYS described as being significantly faster, quicker, and more agile than any of these characters. in fact, these are often described as his main advantages in combat -- his dominating speed, quickness, and agility. its unclear if hes "3 or 4 times faster" or if hes 20 times faster. whats important is that none of the other characters can overcome his speed -- in the sense that they wouldnt be able to successfully defend themselves against an attack--and almost certainly wouldnt be able to counter it and get some serious hits in. wolverine is the only one for whom this isnt 100% true. a block from wolverine could mean some serious damage b/c of his claws so spidey would have to be quite careful but I still think that his speed could see him through. moving to my main point (if youre still reading). its clear that none of the opponents can relly on any of their fundamental physical strengths to handle spidey. there is however much more to a fight than individual strengths and weaknesses. cap for example, is always described as a great tactician one on one and in a group. its his ability to anticipate an opponents movements and strategies, and then counter tham that makes him so potent. this is his main strength in combat. same goes for wolverine (though without the 'group leader element)--hes a master fighter, and more dangerous than cap b/c one hit is enough to do serious damage. DD is also a great fighter, not on caps or wolvie's level, but still great. his senses are obviously his main advantage, and what limits those senses is his reaction time -- which is far far slower than spideys. in any event, in a one on one fight, i think everyone agrees than DD doesnt really have a chance against spidey. with cap, spidey would have a slightly harder time. like i said above, hes a great fighter, but his role here would naturally be defensive. spiderman simply has too many decisive advantages in speed and strength. i cant really see cap being able to block or dodge spideys attacks for a very long time -- shield or no shield. his shield cant be everywhere at once, and spideys speed guarantees that it would have to be for cap to have a chance. in general cap would have to never make a mistake to survive spidey, and even if he does defend perfectly, spideys still too fast for him to stop. spidey on the other hand doenst need to be perfect to throw down with cap. his speed and strength mean that he has many more options -- if he misses an attack and is left open as a result, he has plenty of time to defend (this isnt true for cap...if he leaves himself open even once its pretty much done). i see cap going down in this one. wolverine is basically the only one that pidey needs to worry about. this is because, his ability to do damage with one hit means that spidey cant make many mistakes either. if he miscalculates and wolvie is able to dodge an attack, though hes still fast enough to dodge it, if he stumbles of wolvie gets lucky with positioning or wtvr, spidey could be seriously damaged. the spider sense would be a key component here. it would give spidey an additional defenseive tool he could use to avoid wolverine if he had too. conversly, wolverine also doenst have to be perfect on defense. his healing factor gives him some room to take hits. but even in that comic that everyone cites, where the two fight in a graveyard, wolvie eventually admits that the only reason spidey didnt beat him is b/c he didnt have to stones to break his neck, which he is clearly capable of doing. bottom line, spiderman would definitely get some hits in on wolvie, but he'd have to get a lot of really serious ones in to knock wolvie out, or hed just ahve to break his neck. wolverine, would need to get a few serious blows in to finish spidey--not just casual scrathes. this would be really hard with spideys speed, but if he got lucky he could maybe get one or even two. the webbing hasnt even been brought in here, with it spidey is even more potent. one on one, with webbing or without, spidey beats cap and DD easily, and he still beats wolverine, buts its tougher. all three of them working together, is a totally different matter. here, caps tactical strength is greatly hightened. daredevil can be used on point for example, to draw spidey into poitioning that is more favorable to cap and wolverine, for example slowly forcing him closer to wolverine than he would normally want to be unless he was attacking. also, with all three of them spidey doesnt have as many options, he cant afford to slip up or miscalculate. the burden is on him to be near perfect, because if he isnt, he might get tagged real real hard. he cant keep focused on all three oponentsat once, and even the spidersense wouldnt save him b/c he doenst know the specific nature of the threat. in fact, it could even be used against him, for example by creating a fairly obvious threat that he would 'sense' and would naturally react to, and setting up a situation in which his reaction would inadvertantly put him in an even more dangerous situation -- sandwiched between wolverine and cap all of a sudden for example. the point is that there are now several ways for spidermans decisive advantages to be countered. again, wolverine is probably the only one among the three that would be used as a 'finisher' where as DD and cap would do some setting up. one on one, spidey wins hands down, but three on one, he almost certainly loses. those are my 2 cents.