Originally posted by Capt.JK
Captain America's mind and body work as one when he is in a fight. That is why he is one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the whole MU. And he does ignore the pain
in a fight situation he is indredibly focused.... it's not the same thing as some who has trained their mind and body for 50+ years to become a true "master" of martial arts
and i wasn't talking about the monks "ignoring" pain.... i'm talking about them training themselves not to feel it in the first place as pain is just a mental response to a physical stimulus
Originally posted by Capt.JK
While we're on the subject, why do you consider Cap's Super Soldier Serum a "crutch", but a radioactive spider bite is not?
i never said it wasn't..... i was just comparing Cap's skills to those of a martial artist who has had to train his whole life to achieve the title of "master"
Originally posted by Capt.JK
Again... Wrong. It has been pointed out in multiple comics how Captain America's mind and body work as one when he is in a fight.
LOL..okay you've reached your most pointless-innane-insane-non-sensical-non factual-made up--crazy argument limit of this debate..lol...
And he does ignore the pain; he has trained his body to ignore and slough off all but the hardest of hits.
Didn't I just say we reached the most pointless-innane-insane-non-sensical-non factual-made up--crazy argument limit?..lol..Anyway.. For the last damn time(famous last words..lol)..How the hell will Cap/DD be able to ignore/survive a punch coming at superspeed which will is 20-30 times stronger than that of a normal human? Note*Please don't answer..this is a rhetorical question..
Cap doesn't need a weekly injection or daily Vita-Ray bombardment to maintain his body... blah blah..blah.....I'm 35...I love the Captain..Jinzin is so beautiful...and he thinks I'm sexy too..my psychiatrist..erhem..editor thinks I'm sexy too...Blah..blah..blah..
Again..your toxic love/infatuation over the Captain has not proven as to how he will be able to survive a non-pulled punch from Spider-Man. Nor has it proven that he is not fast enough/strong enough/durable enough/etc etc..to dodge/break Spider Man's webbing.
The truth hurts JK. Love hurts as well..but remember this my friend...it is better to have loved and lost..than to have never loved at all..the Captain..as well as DD will go down with one punch my friend....and all of the love and "sexiness" in the world that the Captain and your fellow postee's represent will not change this undeniable truth..BWAHAHAHAHAAHAH...erhem..ha.. 😆 😆 😆
"while we're at it we'll use the Spidey V's Firelord fight as the prime argument and say he walks over the "trio"
there were a few reasons that firelord went down. first he underetimated spidey, the trio won't. second, he was probably really weakened after he got a build on dropped on him and then blown up. it's not like spidey just straight out beat him without any sort of interference. (i.e. explosion)
"Note*Please don't answer..this is a rhetorical question.. "
We won't... I mean we've only answered that question like what 5 or 6 times already. pffft
"Again..your toxic love/infatuation over the Captain has not proven as to how he will be able to survive a non-pulled punch from Spider-Man. Nor has it proven that he is not fast enough/strong enough/durable enough/etc etc..to dodge/break Spider Man's webbing.
The truth hurts JK. Love hurts as well..but remember this my friend...it is better to have loved and lost..than to have never loved at all..the Captain..as well as DD will go down with one punch my friend....and all of the love and "sexiness" in the world that the Captain and your fellow postee's represent will not change this undeniable truth..BWAHAHAHAHAAHAH...erhem..ha.. "
wow.... when someone said whob changes words around i thought it was an exhadduration.....how wrong i was.
This is just so sad......when you've run out of debate, when you couldn't win using comics, powers, fan boy bias, stats, comics again, denile, making up powers, the 3 ninjas, and the WWE.....it comes down to this.....you attempting to make fun of us....and for what.....us kicking your ass in a debate? ridiculous. it's so pathetic that you people not only want to argue about things where you are obviously lacking in knowledge on BOTH SIDES of the argument.....but now all you have left is tasteless insults.....and you had the nerve to comment on my credibility.....like I said before... I'll let the general public decide on this one....last time I checked...the majority of the general public were onour side on this issue.....let me see...yep...still are....Spidey gets his archnid ass kicked in this fight... like it or love it.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
dd and logan wont fallow cap on the fly just because they have in the past!!! secret wars was a completely different circumstance!! cap was already established as the leader in that story!...
Again, please know what you're talking about before posting. I stated the 2004 Secret War series, which was a 5 issue series in which Nick Fury rounded up a small group of heroes (himself, Cap, DareDevil, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, and a couple of others) to combat a group of technologically enhanced super villains in order to establish and destroy their tech supplier. Cap took over as combat leader once Fury had established their mission.
Nothing to do with the first Secret Wars series from way back in the 1980's, which I think is what you're talking about. But hey, since you brought it up, why do you think Cap was already "established" as the leader in the first place? BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST!!!
Originally posted by jinzin
...well it's not like I expected an actual argument from you so it doesn't matter... bad writing or not it happened. "historically" dd should be able to take spidey punches....and has for that matter.this is just sad...first you spidey guys bring up the 3 ninjas as if it had something to do with this fight....now the WWE? lol....well once again, it's not like debating...oh i don't know...THE ACTUAL COMICS...is helping ya anyways.
nope... they'll follow him because he's the best leader in the MU, if a bunch of comic fans that don't read many comics can figure that out...the team will to...they're not freaking retards....you guys say spiderman's not gonna go in and get trounced by the trio in a head on confrontation, that he'll be attacking from a distance......then you say he'll be attacking so fast cap won't be able to give commands...which is it? lol either way, cap's the leader, you know it, i know it, everybody knows it. Wolverine's not the "outcast" type of character he was back in the early 90's stop treating him as such, he'll be able to figure out that the team needs to follow cap not the other way around.
gee i dunno,,, how about his ability to dodge it, or how about that big freakin hunk'a sheild?
As much as I hate to quote the other side:
AMEN, BROTHA!!! 💃
Originally posted by jinzin
We won't... I mean we've only answered that question like what 5 or 6 times already. pffft
And you really haven't directly answered or been able to disprove these questions in the past either..you have just kind of played with wording..or given misleading/nonsensical/contradictory examples that are easily rebutted or disproven by several other comic book examples...
Examples of Nonsensical Contradictary arguments:
Jinzin: Spidey beating the X-men/FF/Sinister Six is old and outdated writing..they were all inexperienced and they used poor teamwork..but the enforcers beating Spidey stands as a valid up to date storyline that an experienced Spidey can be taken down by street level foes..
Capt JK: Cap has withstood punches from the powerful Scorpian...he has beaten the Scorpian in 3 pages but Spider Man beating Red Skull means nothing..Because Cap beats Red Skull all the time..
Jinzin: Spidey got beaten by the enforcers..
Rebuttal: Spidey defeated the Sinister Six/FF/X-men etc..etc..
Jinzin: DD only admitted to a hypnotized SM being superior to him once..in their other encounters...They've had many other encounters where he has stalemated him...
Rebuttal: In most of their encounters...DD ran away and admitted Spiderman's superiority..
Jinzin: The Trio has defeated much more powerful people than Spider -Man..but how often does Spider Man take on obstacles far greater than any of the Trio...Firelord/Iron 2020..Rhino..those guys could easily be written to be taken down by Cap/DD/Wolvie...
You get the point..
This is just so sad......when you've run out of debate, when you couldn't win using comics
Actually I've already made my point...as have you and many others multiple times..most of what has been posted over the past 40-50 some odd pages has just been repeated arguments and people playing with others wording..I just thought it would be funny to you all and add something new..no insult was intended..however..it is funny to read you guys and your nutty/illogical rantings...
Originally posted by jinzin
'If he was only a human - even the toughest one - he couldn't take one hit from Hobgoblin or Venom, who are roughly as strong as him but who don't hold back."daredevil already has from venom. lol. nuff said.
"The fact that Spider-man is losing in this poll just proves that a majority of spidey fans aren't aware of how powerful he really is and what he'd be capable of"
no...the fact that people are still in spidey's favor just proves that either A) they don't read enough spiderman comics B) they don't read enough comics concerning any of the trio ...or C) they don't read enough comics to be debating here period.
"Would the highly skilled kids from 3 ninjas movies be able to beat Bruce Lee with their teamwork and unique moves? Bruce would have a tougher fight on his hands.'
and just when I thought the spidey fanboys had run out of stupidity on their side...I'm proven wrong again.....that's so dumb and irrelivant it shouldn't deserve a response but since you asked. no...but you have to take into consideration that the 3 ninjas don't have the amount of experience that bruce does either. now you give those kids the same amount of expereiencethat bruce has (arguably even more!) and better fighting ability than bruce has (which the trio has over spidey) and yeah bruce is still goin down.
The 3 ninjas analogy that I used was accurate because compared to Spider-man all three of these guys are so so so so so WEAK. They are ridiculously weak and strength matters alot in a fight beleive it or not.
would you lose a fight to someone light as feather and hundreds of times
weaker than you way slower than you? hundreds of times weaker doesn't make a difference you say? That sounds like stupid logic to me.
But I won't say that you're stupid just the logic that says that skill outweighs the same amount of skill ( saying spidey has an experience deficit is very stupid) plus abilities that dwarf those of the ones who only have skill ( It is the only thing this group has to keep a hope that they could win alive) I'm a Spidey fan and proud of it but I'll admit when he can't win. Even holding back he could hang with these guys but holding back he would almost definitely lose this fight 9 times out of 10. If he's not holding back these guys are just dead and they can't protect themselves against the killing strikes. For spidey to lose this fight while not holding back Cap and DD cant get hit AT ALL, and wolverine can't get hit with any webbing globs at all. I may be a fan but I know my comics well enough to know when writers are juicing up some bullsh*t
At least now I know who's eating it up.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The 3 ninjas analogy that I used was accurate because compared to Spider-man all three of these guys are so so so so so WEAK. They are ridiculously weak and strength matters alot in a fight beleive it or not.
would you lose a fight to someone light as feather and hundreds of times
weaker than you way slower than you? hundreds of times weaker doesn't make a difference you say? That sounds like stupid logic to me.
But I won't say that you're stupid just the logic that says that skill outweighs the same amount of skill ( saying spidey has an experience deficit is very stupid) plus abilities that dwarf those of the ones who only have skill ( It is the only thing this group has to keep a hope that they could win alive) I'm a Spidey fan and proud of it but I'll admit when he can't win. Even holding back he could hang with these guys but holding back he would almost definitely lose this fight 9 times out of 10. If he's not holding back these guys are just dead and they can't protect themselves against the killing strikes. For spidey to lose this fight while not holding back Cap and DD cant get hit AT ALL, and wolverine can't get hit with any webbing globs at all. I may be a fan but I know my comics well enough to know when writers are juicing up some bullsh*t
At least now I know who's eating it up.
Now that's someting I can deal with.. 😄 😄
this is rediculous. even if spidey doesnt instantly web them all up, and even if captain america is quick enough to dodge spidey webbing his mouth, even if cap is the undisputed leader and wolverine blindly fallows cap just cuz of his reputation even though he constantly disobey's x and cyclops, and even if they all suround him and each get the first move, spider-man is alot stronger than all of them put together. he absolutely has the ability to dodge anything they throw at him because 1. he is more agile 2. he's faster and 3. his spidey-since. spidey can knock out each one with one punch or kick. absorbing pain doesnt matter if you have a concussion. i dont see any scenrio that spidey wont be able to master in this fight, because he is always one step ahead of them and he beats them physically in all aspects.
Don't worry, I have a bigger version of it. It will definitely help in this argument.
(Wolverine's thoughts)
"Spider-man...he always thinks he knows it all...that he knows best. He has no idea what he's gotten himself into...
I'm going to kill him for this.
As soon as this webbing dissolves...I'm going after him.
Blast it!
I don't even know how long this stuff lasts."
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Don't worry, I have a bigger version of it. It will definitely help in this argument.(Wolverine's thoughts)
"Spider-man...he always thinks he knows it all...that he knows best. He has no idea what he's gotten himself into...I'm going to kill him for this.
As soon as this webbing dissolves...I'm going after him.
Blast it!
I don't even know how long this stuff lasts."
Thanks Metal Man...so Trio supporters..what say you now?