Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
People overestimate Spidey's durability all the time. For !@#$'s sake, the beetle, mysterio, that morphing guy, and fisk have taken it to him. Fisk is "peak human" strength, just like two of the guys here. I'm not saying that Spidey isn't durable, he's just like a really tough human, compare the worste of damage he's taken and it's pretty damn close to what street level characters can take.

If he was only a human - even the toughest one - he couldn't take one hit from Hobgoblin or Venom, who are roughly as strong as him but who don't hold back.

Spider-Man also has taken an uppercut (or so) from Rhino, and though it really hurt (especially the day after) he beat him with his bare hands. No tricks, no claws, no shield, no radar sense, he knocked him unconsciousness.

Now, if YOU want to concentrate on all the crap writing concerning Spider-Man, be my guest, but he IS super-durable (well, at least a bit lol).

(By the way, I admit there is a considerable amount of crap writing when we're talking about Spider-Man, but is that so strange ? Just look at the insane amount of comics he appeared in...)

Originally posted by BIGNASTY
ALSO i read 3 or 4 ppl say that spidermans strenth, speed agility etc. would be to much to overcome & that cap's fighting exp. would mean nothing, well heres some facts from the REAL world to throw into the mix.

I only added a real world fact cuz everyonr always has a diif view of comics heros depending on what they read and/ or heard so getting more 3 out of 10 ppl to agree on comic fact is rather hard

Originally posted by BIGNASTY
I can't take it anymore! i have been lurking on this site for about 1 week reading all the posts that i can ,but when i got to this one i had to sign up and give a reply.
It cracks me up when ppl on here say YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS or THAT CAN'T HAPPEN..... these are comics heros each of whom have had many diff writers adding to there powers if a writers sees another caractor other then his getting stronger or better he simply MAKES UP SOMETHING about his guy to make him better. so who would be writing this match up cuz thats who desides who wins.
ALSO i read 3 or 4 ppl say that spidermans strenth, speed agility etc. would be to much to overcome & that cap's fighting exp. would mean nothing, well heres some facts from the REAL world to throw into the mix. i asume everyone knows who bruce lee is, well he had an instructer name Yip mon who at the age of 70 would sit on knees and have 10 fighters encircle him and attack him, they were ALL stronger quicker and had more stamina, but yip mon would kick there ases everytime while NEVER leaving his sitting position. HOW......................
.......EXPERIENCE

If that's so, then that would mean that they didn't have SUPERHUMAN strength, speed, and stamina. And that's just not the case here. The trio are facing a guy with abilities that are all well within SUPERHUMAN regions.

Besides, it's not like Spidey couldn't have done the same to these ten fighters you mention in your post in a shorter time and with incredible ease.

Originally posted by BIGNASTY
i asume everyone knows who bruce lee is, well he had an instructer name Yip mon who at the age of 70 would sit on knees and have 10 fighters encircle him and attack him, they were ALL stronger quicker and had more stamina, but yip mon would kick there ases everytime while NEVER leaving his sitting position. HOW......................
.......EXPERIENCE

and a lifetime of training his body and mind ..... Cap's good but his super soldier serum crutch means he never had to train his mind to be in perfect unison with his body

he doesn't do the "no pain" trick some masters and monks can do either

"Fisk has never really hurt Spider-man and he has taken hits from Absobing Man"

another person who doesn't know jack....ok well. you're wrong... in one fight spiderman was reeling from getting slammed around...then in another spiderman said something along the lines of his arm went numb or he could barely feel it due to fisk having him in a sumo hold.

second absorbing man? who cares? wolverine ran through absorbing man like he wasn't even there. lol

The fact that Spider-man is losing in this poll just proves that a majority of spidey fans aren't aware of how powerful he really is and what he'd be capable of if he didn't show concern and hold back almost all the time even against enemies much stronger than him. ( He even felt sorry for Firelord at one point in their battle. If spidey is going ALL out these guys would be unconscious before one minute had passed. Cap and DD are going on a one punch trip to the hospital or morgue fast. Fast as in faster than they can even respond. Spider-man is that much faster than all three of these guys, and can, if he's not hesitating for fear of maiming or killing, will make QUICK work of these human and mutant opponents. Wolvie would be the last to go down or the first because he is worthy of any opponents undivided attention, after all the experience he has gained since the secret wars. Still his limitations are glaringly obvious when his PHYSICAL CAPABILITES are compared to Spideys PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES bottom line. Wolverine can not possibly survive a killing assault from spidey because he can't even begin to match his unbridled speed and strengh end of story. And to all the strong supporters of the trio, just think about this. Would the highly skilled kids from 3 ninjas movies be able to beat Bruce Lee with their teamwork and unique moves? Bruce would have a tougher fight on his hands.

'If he was only a human - even the toughest one - he couldn't take one hit from Hobgoblin or Venom, who are roughly as strong as him but who don't hold back."

daredevil already has from venom. lol. nuff said.

"The fact that Spider-man is losing in this poll just proves that a majority of spidey fans aren't aware of how powerful he really is and what he'd be capable of"

no...the fact that people are still in spidey's favor just proves that either A) they don't read enough spiderman comics B) they don't read enough comics concerning any of the trio ...or C) they don't read enough comics to be debating here period.

"Would the highly skilled kids from 3 ninjas movies be able to beat Bruce Lee with their teamwork and unique moves? Bruce would have a tougher fight on his hands.'

and just when I thought the spidey fanboys had run out of stupidity on their side...I'm proven wrong again.....that's so dumb and irrelivant it shouldn't deserve a response but since you asked. no...but you have to take into consideration that the 3 ninjas don't have the amount of experience that bruce does either. now you give those kids the same amount of expereiencethat bruce has (arguably even more!) and better fighting ability than bruce has (which the trio has over spidey) and yeah bruce is still goin down.

Originally posted by jinzin
daredevil already has from venom. lol. nuff said.

Venom can bend steel with ease, throws vans in the air, can knock a dinosaurs head off if he wanted to, but The Man with No Fear can take a powerpunch from Venom ?

VERY bad writing. Nuff said.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Fisk has never really hurt Spider-man and he has taken hits from Absobing Man"

another person who doesn't know jack....ok well. you're wrong... in one fight spiderman was reeling from getting slammed around...then in another spiderman said something along the lines of his arm went numb or he could barely feel it due to fisk having him in a sumo hold.

As I've stated earlier, Spidey is like a superstar in the WWE when it comes to fighting peak humans, or any humans for that matter. He comes across someone like DD, who is basically what Spidey would be if his spider sense was replaced with superhuman senses (which aren't as good) and he came down with the flu which would (as it has in the past) reduce his power (all of it in every aspect) to that of a human in peak condtion, and jobs to him. Making stupid mistakes such as practically coming in the direction of hornhead's attacks and missing shots that (when written correctly) he has no business missing.

Yeah, I already said it a while ago : whenever SM faces a street level hero, he loses half of his powers and his spider-sense takes a nap.

dd and logan wont fallow cap on the fly just because they have in the past!!! secret wars was a completely different circumstance!! cap was already established as the leader in that story! and NO, none of the three can break out of webbing. it's as strong as steel. spider-man is stronger, faster, more agile, smarter, and has better resources than all of them put together. hell, what's stoping spidey from shooting a web a cap's mouth as the fight just starts, hows he gonna lead a blind guy and the biggest hothead now. cap wont be able to take it off and there goes you "cap is the best leader" scenerios. spidey takes this hands down

Originally posted by The MISTER
The fact that Spider-man is losing in this poll just proves that a majority of spidey fans aren't aware of how powerful he really is and what he'd be capable of if he didn't show concern and hold back almost all the time even against enemies much stronger than him....

Well I don't know about that..I think Spider Man is actually doing fairly well in the poll, considering the amount of rapid Wolvie/DD/Cap fanboys on this board.

Seriously though..if you read through this entire thread..you will clearly see the argument laid out rather consistantly/logically for the position of SM winning this battle. I dare not repeat these arguments again..lest I get some maniac to come in here and retort with some sort of nonsensical rant about the "Trio" being "icons"...or about Spider-Man "rushing head on" to attack these foes..lol..Instead I'll just use the "sophisticated" argument style that has been used by soo many others on the opposing side of this debate to summarize my previous arguments.....so in response to your post kind sir..I will just simply state that.....

THE TRIO LOOSES..DEAL WITH IT!!! 😆 😆

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
dd and logan wont fallow cap on the fly just because they have in the past!!! secret wars was a completely different circumstance!! cap was already established as the leader in that story! and NO, none of the three can break out of webbing. it's as strong as steel. spider-man is stronger, faster, more agile, smarter, and has better resources than all of them put together. hell, what's stoping spidey from shooting a web a cap's mouth as the fight just starts, hows he gonna lead a blind guy and the biggest hothead now. cap wont be able to take it off and there goes you "cap is the best leader" scenerios. spidey takes this hands down

Amen Brotha!!

Spiderman going all out can win this battle. he always has to pull his punches so he doesn't hurt people. In this battle, is he trying to kill them. Spiderman wins this.

"he always has to pull his punches so he doesn't hurt people"

most of the time...not always...that's a misconception.

"VERY bad writing. Nuff said."

well it's not like I expected an actual argument from you so it doesn't matter... bad writing or not it happened. "historically" dd should be able to take spidey punches....and has for that matter.

"Okay, so why couldn't Spidey break Fisk's hold using...oh what was that called?'

cause he had no leverage....you can be as strong as you want but a littl e skinny guy gets your arm contorted into a really nice submissions hold, your strength isn't gonna do sqwat.

"As I've stated earlier, Spidey is like a superstar in the WWE"

this is just sad...first you spidey guys bring up the 3 ninjas as if it had something to do with this fight....now the WWE? lol....well once again, it's not like debating...oh i don't know...THE ACTUAL COMICS...is helping ya anyways.

"dd and logan wont fallow cap on the fly just because they have in the past!"

nope... they'll follow him because he's the best leader in the MU, if a bunch of comic fans that don't read many comics can figure that out...the team will to...they're not freaking retards....you guys say spiderman's not gonna go in and get trounced by the trio in a head on confrontation, that he'll be attacking from a distance......then you say he'll be attacking so fast cap won't be able to give commands...which is it? lol either way, cap's the leader, you know it, i know it, everybody knows it. Wolverine's not the "outcast" type of character he was back in the early 90's stop treating him as such, he'll be able to figure out that the team needs to follow cap not the other way around.

"NO, none of the three can break out of webbing. it's as strong as steel"

didn't argue that they could...but they can cut through it easily enough.

"hell, what's stoping spidey from shooting a web a cap's mouth as the fight just starts,"

gee i dunno,,, how about his ability to dodge it, or how about that big freakin hunk'a sheild?

"Seriously though..if you read through this entire thread..you will clearly see the argument laid out rather consistantly/logically for the position of SM winning this battle."

consistantly and logically? ...........BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......well I guess that depends on who you ask? (cough*spidey fanboys*cough)

Originally posted by Scoobless
and a lifetime of training his body and mind ..... Cap's good but his super soldier serum crutch means he never had to train his mind to be in perfect unison with his body

he doesn't do the "no pain" trick some masters and monks can do either

Again... Wrong. It has been pointed out in multiple comics how Captain America's mind and body work as one when he is in a fight. That is why he is one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the whole MU. And he does ignore the pain; he has trained his body to ignore and slough off all but the hardest of hits. In addition, the Super Soldier Serum is not a "crutch". It simply gave him the weapon he needed to become the world's perfect soldier. His mind is his own. His training and ability comes from his own concentration and dedication to being "the best".

While we're on the subject, why do you consider Cap's Super Soldier Serum a "crutch", but a radioactive spider bite is not? Cap doesn't need a weekly injection or daily Vita-Ray bombardment to maintain his body. It is just as much a part of his gene pool as the spider venom is for Parker.

cause as i pointed out they don't know crap man.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Bad writing.

Venom can bend steel with ease, throws vans in the air, can knock a dinosaurs head off if he wanted to, but The Man with No Fear can take a powerpunch from Venom ?

VERY bad writing. Nuff said.

Okay, you guys have reached your "bad writing" quota for page 80. You have to wait until the next page before you can use this argument again. 😆