.......this arguments done.......
and that pic was taken from. captain america 404
in the story arc captain america becomes a werewolf....awesome stuff....and while we're on the subject.......Captain america fought off hordes and hordes of werewolves by himself.....spidey ususally has trouble taking down just one....
"You may now give me examples of when either Captain/DD/Wolvie...have ever overcome an entire Super-Team all by their lonesomes"
DD beat up on taskmaster stiltman and a slew of other villains at one time.
I'll let jk cover the cap....so many to name..
and wolvies taken down (by your standards) the FF, the x-men, the x-men again, tons and tons of baddies in wolverine 26 or 27. the darkriders. shall I continue? pffft.
"The FF weren't experienced as a team..he surprised them...and they underestimated SM and weren't going for the kill. Cap/DD/Wolvie are way more experienced as a team..they were both all on battleworld in "secret wars"..they were fighting together in a "planned" attack..and Cap was leading..and that proves that they can defeat the webslinger in an "unplanned" encounter..."
please I've never said the FF weren't an experienced team nor have I said any of this CRAP you keep saying is my point of view stop putting words into my mouth....
"Spiderman was not very experienced and taken by surprise in his battle against the Enforcers..he is infinitely more experienced now..and could currently take them down with ease..."
no argument there...but the enforcers haven't remained in action for the last 40 some years either....give em that kind of experience and they'll gie spidey a run for his money all over again. lol.
we've already given examples of cap taking down the hulk...wolverine's nearly killed him....wolverine flat out humiliated abomination KOed him without even taking one hit....wolverine has killed magneto or put him on the run over and over again ( I have no idea how that's possible logically so don't ask...but he did it.....spidey needed the power of the universe to beat magneto..) wolverine fought venom in this realm and the dream realm and has easily held his own.....spidey gets his ass beat by venom almost every time they meet. DD stalemated venom as well using his radar sense.....wolverine and cap have both gone toe to toe with ultron cap's won...wolvie held his own...
Originally posted by jinzin
anyways....since we're in such a pic postin mood for the last 8 pages or so here's my two cents. lol....
ok everyone wants to debate if Daredevil can dodge a spiderman who's really going after him....well this spider though possessed still retained his [b] spider speed and spider strength ....IN FACT in this scenario his inhibitions about killing daredevil are a complete non-factor since that's what he was possessed to do. [/B]
Although I don't have my entire comic collection anymore..and even if I did..I still don't have the time nor patience to scan each and every individual one..its still time for..
FACT SHOOTING TIME...LOL..
As you so humbly stated in this SM vs DD encounter..SM was possessed and wasn't using his Spider Sense, Web shooters, Spider agility, etc..etc..he was essentially blindly attacking DD.....which he will not be doing in this "Scenario" we're debating....first "historical" scenario shot down...let's move on to the others..lol..
"As you so humbly stated in this SM vs DD encounter..SM was possessed and wasn't using his Spider Sense, Web shooters, Spider agility, etc..etc..he was essentially blindly attacking DD"
you're fragmented mind has obviously missed the points again....how does anything you state take away from my points which were....:
"well that pretty much ends the debate for whether or not these "peak humans" can take a full on punch from spidey who's going for the kill....it also end the debate of wether or not DD can dodge spidey's punches.....and it also ends the debate of whether or not spidey will be hurt or phased from a hit by the trio.......Daredevil was drowning,,,,his head underwater...he had no leverage for tha punch and he not only hit spiderman hard enough to get spidey to let him go, but to send spiderman back from the hit.."
stop deviating from the points at hand....spider sense or not he still had the same speed, more power in his punches, and the same durbility....you take that into account with my friggin points and you can't disprove them....stop deviating.
Originally posted by jinzin
so there....daredevil was giving spiderman a good run for his money....spidey webbed up one of his arms and he was still giving spiderman hell....then daredevil was able to deflect a bullet for spidey before spidey was even done fighting......DD can hold up to spidey better than you people think....
You have a habit of not making the pics big enough to read the text don't you..lol...
I haven't read that particular storyline..but I can imagine since the text is illegible..that more than likely the webslinger is not trying to kill..Daredevil..but just subdue him...(unless you want to give me the issue # and explain why the two are fighting about anway)..thus he doesn't try to do the normal things that he would do when facing an opponent..(ie webbing up their entire body...jumping away..etc..etc..)
story number 2 shot down...
Originally posted by jinzin
and just for good measure I'll throw in the graveyard fight....just for kicks...
Thank You..once again..we see Spider Man easily avading Wolverine's blows...however..we don't see that happening the other way around..I like how you have the text on the last picture damb near "unreadable.." once again..you know the part where Wolvie states that he can be "killed" if Spider man were to unpull his punches.. and let out all his strength..thus breaking Wolvies neck...
Story 3 shot down....
moving on....
spiderman's trying to incompasitate DD because he thinks DD has switched sides.....and is now working for the Kingpin... DD lures him into this fight and makes him look like an ass until spidey webs up one of his arms...even then he gives spidey problems...yet again you deviate "daredevil was giving spiderman a good run for his money....spidey webbed up one of his arms and he was still giving spiderman hell....then daredevil was able to deflect a bullet for spidey before spidey was even done fighting......DD can hold up to spidey better than you people think...."
your rantings don't prove or disprove anything other than you don't know enough comics that are actually applicable to this thread to be debating here.
Originally posted by jinzin
and need i remind you?....
Story #4..New Avengers # 3 or 4...Spidey once again easily incapacitates Logan with the webbing..not trying to kill him..but merely keep him at bay..he doesn't try to attack or further web up Logan..which was a mistake...however..if he so desired..it could have been easily been done...as demonstrated in the pic below.....
Another "historical" incident shot down by logic...lol...
Originally posted by jinzin
anyways....since we're in such a pic postin mood for the last 8 pages or so here's my two cents. lol....
ok everyone wants to debate if Daredevil can dodge a spiderman who's really going after him....well this spider though possessed still retained his spider speed and spider strength....IN FACT in this scenario his inhibitions about killing daredevil are a complete non-factor since that's what he was possessed to do.
And as you can see with your two own eyes, even a hypnotized, slow attacking and spider-sense ignoring Spider-Man was still dominating the fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
.......this arguments done.......
and that pic was taken from. captain america 404
in the story arc captain america becomes a werewolf....awesome stuff....and while we're on the subject.......Captain america fought off hordes and hordes of werewolves by himself.....spidey ususally has trouble taking down just one....
Now your just lying..lol...
Actually it was taken from an issue of Marvel Comics Presents..it takes place after the X-men are believed to be dead..and SM attacks what he believe's to be an "imposter" impersonating Logan...he doesn't go all out in the fight against him..because he believes that the "imposter" will not be able to withstand his strength/webbing/speed..etc..etc...
So we're finally finished...next time..when you get "historical" facts..make sure you include the entire "historical" story..otherwise..you come across as being just a little bit misleading(ie include the text as well)... 😆 😆
"Thank You..once again..we see Spider Man easily avading Wolverine's blows...however..we don't see that happening the other way around..I like how you have the text on the last picture damb near "unreadable.." once again..you know the part where Wolvie states that he can be "killed" if Spider man were to unpull his punches.. and let out all his strength..thus breaking Wolvies neck...
Story 3 shot down...."
I tried to enlarge the pic but the board kept making me edit my previous post.
lol.....wolverine says and i'll quote: "uh-uhnn squirt. don't even kid yourself... we both know the only way for you to beat me is for you to use all your strength----and snap my neck. bang you win. thing is, I'm bettin my life you ain't got the guts for that... you don't know how to kill...but i do all i gotta do id pop my claws through your throat." end quote
were does he say anything along the lines of what you said besides the neck breaking? ....no where! pathetic, stop proving yourself wrong...you'r only showing how misinformed you are here....first off....we don't even know if spidey has the required strength it will take to break wolverine's neck...imo if it was that simple it would have happened a long time ago taking shots from 70 ton levelers and above....just cause wolverine thinks that spiderman can break his neck doesn't mean spiderman can....wolverine's never had his neck broken how would he know?....spiderman on the other hand can't say the same about three claws going threw his noggin....even if it was a life or death stalemate who looks like they're in the more uncomprimising position? I know spidey would have to take a short while to wrench adamantium (IF he had the strength to do it...which he doesn't, until proven otherwise...show me one example of spiderman bending or breaking adamantium) wolverine on the other hand could have killed spidey faster than you can say snikt.
you've shot down nothin.